Originally posted by XplosiveNo, he can't and he doesn't have power like Classic Beyonder had. And didn't you say Spectre goes above Mxy, so than certainly also Classic Beyonder goes, no actully, Classic Beyonder goes beyond Mxy and Spectre combined.
Actually i don't think you can say classic beyonder is above spectre sure enough i don't think anyone can argue that his a bad ass. I think you might be confusing Living Tribunal up and the spectre, you see the way i have always gauged it was that Living Tribunal had a set power. Although the Living Tribunal is in the top5 of marvels Hierarchy his power has a level, Unlike spectre who with the backing of the Presence is unbeatable.
Originally posted by sexyking
Actually i don't think you can say classic beyonder is above spectre sure enough i don't think anyone can argue that his a bad ass. I think you might be confusing Living Tribunal up and the spectre, you see the way i have always gauged it was that Living Tribunal had a set power. Although the Living Tribunal is in the top5 of marvels Hierarchy his power has a level, Unlike spectre who with the backing of the Presence is unbeatable.
Why he than couldn't defeat Anti-Monitor himself.
Why he moved when Lucifer said to him to move. Spectre seemed like he knew he can't deal with Lucifer. And Spectre is backed up with The Presence, but it depends on The Presence how much power he would give to Spectre.
If Spectre goes above Mxy, so does Lucifer and Michael and such as LT and especially Classic Beyonder.
As we could see, Classic Beyonder Vs. Living Tribunal was like Classic Beyonder Vs. normal human, completely effortless.
Classic Beyonder had no limit, his only limit would be TOAA.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Why he than couldn't defeat Anti-Monitor himself.
Why he moved when Lucifer said to him to move. Spectre seemed like he knew he can't deal with Lucifer. And Spectre is backed up with The Presence, but it depends on The Presence how much power he would give to Spectre.If Spectre goes above Mxy, so does Lucifer and Michael and such as LT and especially Classic Beyonder.
As we could see, Classic Beyonder Vs. Living Tribunal was like Classic Beyonder Vs. normal human, completely effortless.
Classic Beyonder had no limit, his only limit would be TOAA.
So your telling me that if the Presence was to tell spectre to take down classic beyonder he wouldnt be able to do it?
Originally posted by sexyking
So your telling me that if the Presence was to tell spectre to take down classic beyonder he wouldnt be able to do it?
Logically, he should be able, since it's The Presence.
But I have never seen The Presence giving to Spectre so much power that would rival that of Classic Beyonder.
He could give it, of course, but he hasn't and Spectre never wielded such power as Classic Beyonder has.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Logically, he should be able, since it's The Presence.
But I have never seen The Presence giving to Spectre so much power that would rival that of Classic Beyonder.
He could give it, of course, but he hasn't and Spectre never wielded such power as Classic Beyonder has.
Thats because he has never had to weild that kind of power, so your point about classic Beyonder going above Spectre is invalid.
Originally posted by sexyking
Thats because he has never had to weild that kind of power
How is that, why didn't than Spectre alone defeat Anti-Monitor.
And as you can see, Spectre depends on The Presence.
And The Presence never gave such power to Spectre to rival Classic Beyodner, so yes, we can say Classic Beyodner goes beyond Spectre.
I don't care if The Presence can give him, he didn't, so yes, Classic Beyonder is beyond Spectre.
Originally posted by XplosiveYeah? Do you know what kind of power Spectre has wielded?
Logically, he should be able, since it's The Presence.
But I have never seen The Presence giving to Spectre so much power that would rival that of Classic Beyonder.
He could give it, of course, but he hasn't and Spectre never wielded such power as Classic Beyonder has.
Also, Spectre DID stop the Anti-Monitor.
Lets check what the History of the DCU says.
http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcfiftytwoweek50248kq.jpg
"He stood on the verge of success, until the Spectre arrived to stop him"
Or we can check Spectre's Secret File.
http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/
Under Key storylines it says:
Crisis on Infinite Earths, Spectre stops the Anti-Monitor from destroying all Creation and reignites the universe.
Under the highlighted yellow "CRISIS" section it says:
During the Crisis, the Spectre travelled back to the dawn of time and used his vast power to save Creation as it's heros battled the Universe consuming Anti-Monitor
So there's both comic panel and secret file proof.
Originally posted by Xplosivelmao.
How is that, why didn't than Spectre alone defeat Anti-Monitor.
And as you can see, Spectre depends on The Presence.And The Presence never gave such power to Spectre to rival Classic Beyodner, so yes, we can say Classic Beyodner goes beyond Spectre.
I don't care if The Presence can give him, he didn't, so yes, Classic Beyonder is beyond Spectre.
Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah? Do you know what kind of power Spectre has wielded?Also, Spectre DID stop the Anti-Monitor.
Lets check what the History of the DCU says.
http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcfiftytwoweek50248kq.jpg
"He stood on the verge of success, until the Spectre arrived to stop him"Or we can check Spectre's Secret File.
http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/Under Key storylines it says:
Crisis on Infinite Earths, Spectre stops the Anti-Monitor from destroying all Creation and reignites the universe.Under the highlighted yellow "CRISIS" section it says:
During the Crisis, the Spectre travelled back to the dawn of time and used his vast power to save Creation as it's heros battled the Universe consuming Anti-MonitorSo there's both comic panel and secret file proof.
Juntai, I don't care about Spectre or about Classic Beyonder, but you are fan of Spectre on too subjective on this and he never showed such power as Classic Beyonder.
I think you very well realize that Classic Beyonder would stop Anti-Monitor along with those who try to stop Anti-Monitor (Darkseid, Superman...) like it would be nothing, he would do it with thought. Anti-Monitor would be nothing but an antz to Classic Beyonder.
You showed Spectre stopping Anti-Monitor, that still doesn't give him the credit in comparison to Classic Beyonder.
Lucifer or Michael also never close showed such power to rival Classic Beyonder. If there is anyone who could stop Classic Beyonder, it would be The Presence.
Spectre never showed he received so much power from The Presence to be able to endanger Classic Beyonder, so Classic Beyonder is beyond Spectre.
