Originally posted by Juntai
Funny that one would claim about how powerful post-Retcon beyonder is and then post pics of him getting beat up.
Dude believe I'm with you on how rediculous these retcons are.
But evidently with your own eyes you see that Beyonder was not retconned...though he was before.
Or perhaps it's just another retcon, returning Beyonder to his original status.
Originally posted by Mr MasterCould be, but if he wasn't a hoax full of illusions, you think he could have mopped up the celestials and backed down the living tribunal and all that other crap we've seen?
Dude believe I'm with you on how rediculous these retcons are.But evidently with your own eyes you see that Beyonder was not retconned...though he was before.
Or perhaps it's just another retcon, returning Beyonder to his original status.
If he's BILLIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN THE MULTIVERSE COMBINED AND CAN THINK REALITY OUT OF EXISTANCE, how did he get beat up by a cosmic cube?
Why would he have needed Molocule Man to complete himself to actually be a complte cosmic cube?
Cosmos and The Maker used to be the Beyonder, as you posted those scans from that Thanos issue but there's nothing there to point out that he is indeed as strong as he once was, or anything more than Cube he's been written off as being. I don't see a new retcon there.
Originally posted by Juntai
Could be, but if he wasn't a hoax full of illusions, you think he could have mopped up the celestials and backed down the living tribunal and all that other crap we've seen?
Effortlessly.
Originally posted by Juntai
If he's BILLIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN THE MULTIVERSE COMBINED AND CAN THINK REALITY OUT OF EXISTANCE, how did he get beat up by a cosmic cube?
That's POST retcon Beyonder being defeated by Kubik.
But even POST retcon Beyonder was a UNIVERSE.
And we shouldn't speak so lightly about a being(cube/kubik)that can warp an ENTIRE Universe into a pebble.
Originally posted by Juntai
Why would he have needed Molocule Man to complete himself to actually be a complte cosmic cube?
uhh because he was an Incomplete Cosmic Cube in that retcon issue.
Originally posted by Juntai
Cosmos and The Maker used to be the Beyonder, as you posted those scans from that Thanos issue but there's nothing there to point out that he is indeed as strong as he once was, or anything more than Cube he's been written off as being.
I can't argue that...there was no power gauge given during the series.
But Thanos said the Maker had "Unlimited Power"
And you know Thanos knows what Power is.
"it can destroy the Universe with a whim"
And Gladiator said the Maker was the most powerful being in the universe.
A small indication of it's capacity.
Character claims are considered, sure, but mostly taken with a grain of salt until proven otherwise. Batman once claimed he would put down the Spectre. 🤨 And we both know Batman knows how to take people down.
From here, I see there's no indication of a re-retcon. Is that even a word? lol.
Mxy CURRENTLY can mimic -most-[but perhaps not all, he did do some crazy stuff.] things Pre-Retcon beyonder did, and likely EVERYTHING post retcon beyonder has been shown capable of.
Originally posted by Juntai
Could be, but if he wasn't a hoax full of illusions, you think he could have mopped up the celestials and backed down the living tribunal and all that other crap we've seen?If he's BILLIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN THE MULTIVERSE COMBINED AND CAN THINK REALITY OUT OF EXISTANCE, how did he get beat up by a cosmic cube?
Why would he have needed Molocule Man to complete himself to actually be a complte cosmic cube?
Cosmos and The Maker used to be the Beyonder, as you posted those scans from that Thanos issue but there's nothing there to point out that he is indeed as strong as he once was, or anything more than Cube he's been written off as being. I don't see a new retcon there.
Because the retcon became that beyonder was cosmic cube level.... before that he was multiversal level. he was never beat up by the cosmic cube preretcon.
Btw it was millions of times more powerful than the multiverse not billions 🙂
At the time of Pre-retcon beyonder, there was no definitive other being with a powerscale even remotely close to prb. even LT who even back then was stated as the only one of his kind and multiversal took a step back away from beyonder.
You need to understand that the reason we use prb is that the writers WROTE beyonder to be that strong. It was later that the whole thing was retconned so that beyonder was 1/2 of kubik.
The same is true with phoenix. First jean was phoenix, the allpowerful. Then writers retconned her cause she was too powerful, and said it was 2 jean greys, the real one was hidden away, and the fake was phoenix in a cloned jean body posing as jean.
In fact Im not even sure the term TOAA was in use back then. Beyonder had to boost Phoenix Forces power levels higher just to contest with him. Then he took it away. 😛
Originally posted by rotiartAnd in another instance, the Pheonix Force was shared with Beyonder and he fell to his knees..
At the time of Pre-retcon beyonder, there was no definitive other being with a powerscale even remotely close to prb. even LT who even back then was stated as the only one of his kind and multiversal took a step back away from beyonder.You need to understand that the reason we use prb is that the writers WROTE beyonder to be that strong. It was later that the whole thing was retconned so that beyonder was 1/2 of kubik.
The same is true with phoenix. First jean was phoenix, the allpowerful. Then writers retconned her cause she was too powerful, and said it was 2 jean greys, the real one was hidden away, and the fake was phoenix in a cloned jean body posing as jean.
In fact Im not even sure the term TOAA was in use back then. Beyonder had to boost Phoenix Forces power levels higher just to contest with him. Then he took it away. 😛
. but that's besides the point.
I understand by people say and use pre-retcon beyonder, but that's not what's in question here at all, I'm afraid you've detoured from where the topic was completely.
I was saying Pre Retcon Beyonder isn't a current character and isn't in consideration for this thread.
And now Mr Master and I are in a discussion, trying to piece Beyonder information together. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterI agree, retcons are OK, but don't convolute it or try to keep redoing it. You know how many big bangs there have been? lol.
Absolutely.That was the retcon story.
Now I start reading Thanos, and come across that.
Marvel has to stop doing that, it only breeds confusion...look at the poor Phoenix.
Originally posted by rotiartRead Thanos' 12 issues, they touch on it some. Or look back a page and see Mr Master's posts, he has some of the scans.
I see. Well last I checked into it... beyonder doesn't exist anymore... he's 1/2 of kubik isn't he?
But no, he was half of a complete cosmic cube, Molocule Man was Beyonder's other half.
Kubik was already complete.
Thanos issuseS? I'm sorry which comic is those recent scans from. I've never seen them before. jesus what have i missed out on. beyonders still around...
btw. I plan on rereading secret wars 1-3 in a few weeks. but as of this weekend. give me a heads up on the thanos scans. so i can try to get the comics?
Originally posted by rotiartThey are from Thanos' series. He had his own comic for 12 issues, and ended in the middle of an arc.. sadly... but then the current Annihilation picks up right where his series ends. It's still a dissapointment when you look at the collected books and the final book says it's halfway through a 6 parter. lol.
Thanos issuseS? I'm sorry which comic is those recent scans from. I've never seen them before. jesus what have i missed out on. beyonders still around...btw. I plan on rereading secret wars 1-3 in a few weeks. but as of this weekend. give me a heads up on the thanos scans. so i can try to get the comics?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now look what the joker did with mxy's powers and didnt' even know how to properly use them. he was doing stuff like Thanos did with the IG but better. I doubt that Classic Beyonder could take MXY with the full knowlege of his power. Or better yet. Could you Imagine Darksied with that power? That would be a gooooood book to read.
I don't see anything that puts him near Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos' oppostitions were cosmic abstracts from Galactus up to Eternity. An shockwave from his anger streamed out the universe and wrecked the rainbow bridge and Asgard. Odin and the rest of Earth's skyfather were picking themselves up from that.
Let's not bring Phantom Stranger, Ganthet, Darkseid, or Zeus to compare with the likes of Galactus much less Death or Eternity.
This all aside the Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, Death, Entropy are just among many cosmic in the MU.
Originally posted by Juntai
I don't take him into consideration unless we're comparing characters of power through all of comics history, then 'Classic Beyonder' may be somewhere near the top, however most of his claims were just that, claims. And then turned out to be a hoax altogether.
Mxy would dominate the pretender with little effort.
Actully, Classic Beyonder as it seems was the most powerful ever to exist in Comic Universe, Mxy is nothing, except TOAA or The Presence, no actully TOAA>The Presence.
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
But seriously, neither MXY, Classic Beyonder, Thanos with HOTU, nor Pre Crisis Superman are all powerful, despite what some fanboys want to believe.
Put Pre Crisis Superman out of it.
Originally posted by Juntai
In his head. The hoax.
In that time, it wasn't only in his head.
Mxy would be joke to Classic Beyonder, literally, nothing.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder would blink mr. m away.
Yup and would do it extremely easily.
Originally posted by Juntai
Mxy CURRENTLY can mimic -most-[but perhaps not all, he did do some crazy stuff.] things Pre-Retcon beyonder did, and likely EVERYTHING post retcon beyonder has been shown capable of.
No, he can't and he doesn't have power like Classic Beyonder had. And didn't you say Spectre goes above Mxy, so than certainly also Classic Beyonder goes, no actully, Classic Beyonder goes beyond Mxy and Spectre combined.