Do you have to believe in God to get into Heaven?

Started by JesusIsAlive10 pages
Originally posted by Storm
ESB -1138, before you post, please consider whether your message is relevant to the topic, whether it is of interest and helpful to all, and whether it is likely to continue to the point that it annoys others. Avoid clogging up a thread!

You are a true and fair moderator Storm, keep up the good work. I hope you have a good day.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no intelligence behind any of my points. Really? First off I never said that the Bible was God's "work" I said that it is God's WORD. Secondly, there is rationality, reason, and intelligence behind ALL of my points--you just have to be clued-in Ushgarak to understand them. Third, my foundation is God's Word; how many times do I have to write that. Your foundation is perhaps something else, but I DO HAVE a foundation. Like I said before you have to respect my foundation because it is based on faith just as yours is probably based on something else. Stop attacking my foundation because the Word of the Lord is forever settled in Heaven anyway whether you wish to acknowledge this or not. Finally, I have NOT failed, I am NOT failing, and I have, am, and do succeed already. I have sown God's Word into more hearts on this forum alone than I have at any other time since becoming saved. (hundreds of people have read my posts). My job is to sow the seed of God's Word into as many hearts as is efficiently feasible. And you know what? I HAVE with the Lord's help! This fact alone excites me because

[B]"...I know that another true Christian will water the seeds that I have sown AND GOD WILL GIVE THE INCREASE!"

Do you all remember this post? God is faithful; He has sent another true christian (i.e., ESB -1138) to this site to water the seeds that I and other christians have sown (e.g., JustbyFaith, Nellinator, etc.) and He (God) will give the increase. Praise God!

Contempt? I don't care about folks having contempt for me I couldn't care less. I know, that I know, that my know knows--that I am doing the Lord's will. You all thought that I was just another debater, jumping on this forum to argue with folk. Nope, this couldn't be further from the truth. I am however, here to engage others in verbal exchange. I see nowhere on this forum where there is some type of mandate that each one of us debate or argue other folk as a requirement for creating and replying to posts. This is simply a religion forum where everyone is free to post whatever they wish--AS LONG AS IT IS OF A RELIGIOUS NATURE. This forum is not dubbed, "The Debate/Argue Forum." So, in conclusion Ushgarak lighten up a little dude and direct your frustrations elsewhere. I am not your enemy and you are not mine. It just amazes me that you wasted all of that time pointing me out from all of the other people that post messages. Man, I must be pretty important (although being important is NOT my aim).

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What are you talking about? If you haven't noticed I have been defending God's Word. Learn to read.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are a true and fair moderator Storm, keep up the good work.

I agree.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
What are you talking about? If you haven't noticed I have been defending God's Word. Learn to read.

A while back I was accused of some things by a moderator. In my response I stated that God will send another true christian to water the seeds of God's Word that I have sown already and that God would give the increase. I presume that you are a christian? I stated that YOU are that true christian that God has sent to this site. Did you misunderstand what I wrote? Just read the words in blue because the words in black were copied from a previous post a week or two ago and was not directed towards you.

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He wasn't attacking you ESB. I was confused at first, but he was directing his rebuttal at Ushgarak (I think). He gives you thumbs up later on. Pretty confusing though....

There is no intelligence behind any of my points. Really?

That was the thing that threw me off. Sounds like you were trying to tell me off or something.

Do you all remember this post? God is faithful; He has sent another true christian (i.e., ESB -1138) to this site to water the seeds that I and other christians have sown (e.g., JustbyFaith, Nellinator, etc.) and He (God) will give the increase. Praise God!

That makes more sense now.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
What are you talking about? If you haven't noticed I have been defending God's Word. Learn to read.

ESB the words in blue were highlighted from the rest of the post because I wanted just that segment of what I wrote a week or two ago to stand out. Then I elaborated a little to show that what I wrote about God sending another true christian to this site ACTUALLY HAPPENED! That person is YOU!

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LOOK! ITS A MIRACLE!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
ESB the words in blue were highlighted from the rest of the post because I wanted just that segment of what I wrote a week or two ago to stand out. Then I elaborated a little to show that what I wrote about God sending another true christian to this site ACTUALLY HAPPENED! That person is YOU!

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ESB, here is the original post and my response to it. I will colored in blue the words that I think God made come true.

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Originally posted by Ushgarak
The world we live in is a rational and intelligent one with good reason. Any argument you present that is divorced from such things is doomed to failure. because it is no better than that of a child saying that the Universe is run by giant marshmellows.

You give no reason to believe what you say other than that you say that the Bible is God's work. And don't try saying that it is not you saying that, it is God, because that is just what you say, and in of itself it has no more basis than the marshmellows.

As there is no rationality, reason or intelligence behind any of your points, what you say above is wrong. At no point will anyone concede any of what you say. Why? Because without foundation, it is only gibberish.

You have failed, you are failing. You will never succeed. In fact, the only effect you are having is increasing the contempt of people for your viewpoint- and it is a well deserved contempt.

You are harming your cause. I recommend you look at your motives and your mission.

And if you are not interested in debate, I also recommend you keep the number of threads you create down. They are all on a similar subject and if you do not want to argue the toss, creating lots of them is simply spam.

There is no intelligence behind any of my points. Really? First off I never said that the Bible was God's "work" I said that it is God's WORD. Secondly, there is rationality, reason, and intelligence behind ALL of my points--you just have to be clued-in Ushgarak to understand them. Third, my foundation is God's Word; how many times do I have to write that. Your foundation is perhaps something else, but I DO HAVE a foundation. Like I said before you have to respect my foundation because it is based on faith just as yours is probably based on something else. Stop attacking my foundation because the Word of the Lord is forever settled in Heaven anyway whether you wish to acknowledge this or not. Finally, I have NOT failed, I am NOT failing, and I have, am, and do succeed already. I have sown God's Word into more hearts on this forum alone than I have at any other time since becoming saved. (hundreds of people have read my posts). My job is to sow the seed of God's Word into as many hearts as is efficiently feasible. And you know what? I HAVE with the Lord's help! This fact alone excites me because I know that another true Christian will water the seeds that I have sown AND GOD WILL GIVE THE INCREASE! Contempt? I don't care about folks having contempt for me I couldn't care less. I know, that I know, that my know knows--that I am doing the Lord's will. You all thought that I was just another debater, jumping on this forum to argue with folk. Nope, this couldn't be further from the truth. I am however, here to engage others in verbal exchange. I see nowhere on this forum where there is some type of mandate that each one of us debate or argue other folk as a requirement for creating and replying to posts. This is simply a religion forum where everyone is free to post whatever they wish--AS LONG AS IT IS OF A RELIGIOUS NATURE. This forum is not dubbed, "The Debate/Argue Forum." So, in conclusion Ushgarak lighten up a little dude and direct your frustrations elsewhere. I am not your enemy and you are not mine. It just amazes me that you wasted all of that time pointing me out from all of the other people that post messages. Man, I must be pretty important (although being important is NOT my aim).

Did you get that now ESB? The words in blue are what I wrote a week or two ago in my response to one of the moderators. You are one of the true christians that God has sent to water the seeds that I and other christians have sown and are sowing.

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Got it;

Believing in God isn't enough to get into heaven. Satan and his demons believe in God.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Got it;

Believing in God isn't enough to get into heaven. Satan and his demons believe in God.

Oh so very true!

We MUST exercise FAITH in Jesus Christ for salvation. 🙂

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Got it;

Believing in God isn't enough to get into heaven. Satan and his demons believe in God.

Satan does not exist. Heaven is here on Earth, and I am sorry that you are missing it. There are no demons, that is just in your mind.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Satan does not exist. Heaven is here on Earth, and I am sorry that you are missing it. There are no demons, that is just in your mind.

Blind to the truth. You know for people who don't believe in Religion you sure do spend a lot of time in here. It has been said that Satan shall use his demons to attack Christians.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Blind to the truth. You know for people who don't believe in Religion you sure do spend a lot of time in here. It has been said that Satan shall use his demons to attack Christians.

1. I did not attack your religion, I simple told you what I believe to be the truth.

2. I am a very devout religious person. I am a Nichiren Buddhist, and I live my practice every day.

3. Prove to me that there is a Satan. You will not be about to because there is no Satan.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Blind to the truth. You know for people who don't believe in Religion you sure do spend a lot of time in here. It has been said that Satan shall use his demons to attack Christians.

This is not a Christian only forum. Please get over it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
1. I did not attack your religion, I simple told you what I believe to be the truth.

2. I am a very devout religious person. I am a Nichiren Buddhist, and I live my practice every day.

3. Prove to me that there is a Satan. You will not be about to because there is no Satan.

Let me ask you some questions:

1.) Is it okay to kill people (in your opinion only)

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Let me ask you some questions:

1.) Is it okay to kill people (in your opinion only)

No. I believe that you can defend yourself, but to kill someone who is trying to kill you is wrong, because that person will reincarnate with that anger and hate in their live.

Well guess I'm going to hell then 😬

The Bible has been proven wrong several times ESB, and there are only 2 possibilites as of yet for it to be proven true
1.)Mount Erarat(or however you spell it) actually does hold Noah's Ark
2.)That Ethiopian church does in fact hold the Ark of the Covenent which in turn must hold the 10 Commandments and be proven not forged by Human Hands

I don't understand why I must have faith in a God that created me with the Brain to analyse the Bible and think of it as not true until proven, he created me this way, therefore wouldn't he be automatically be sending me to Hell?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. I believe that you can defend yourself, but to kill someone who is trying to kill you is wrong, because that person will reincarnate with that anger and hate in their live.

2.) Why is it wrong?

"I cant believe that the same God who has endowed us with wisdom and logic intends for us to forgo their use"