Heaven and Hell: Wtf?

Started by debbiejo6 pages

Yes there is an interpretation that says he (Remember angels have no male or female according to scripture) will be let loose for 1000 years to deceive others ...( This earth???...Why?........Wasn't judgement done??) Or is it a tease???....what the hey?? why?......................let me think...........souls/spirts.energy don't have a body, so how can you toruture are???.........hmmmmmmmmmmm could this be myth that came earlier upon the Holy Roman Empire??...........and thus the protestant chuch took off on it without looking outside the beliefs.............. good call Alliance!! 😄

Then the final judgment on all those others also..............hmmmmmm.........sounds kinda like they were smokin something.

first:

they are thrown into hell (actual meaning is death)
then they get a break for judgment (open to interpretation)
then satan gets to do it again. (After he was thrown into the lake of fire..........after 1000 years?)

Come on you do the thinking along with the other myths that have the same story............

You didn't read the Biblical order of things. The Bible says that after the rapture and tribulation Satan will be CHAINED for a thousand years and Jesus will reign on EARTH for a thousand years. Then Satan will be released again and will tempt all the people on Earth one last time including those born during the thousand year reign. THEN comes Judgement Day and Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity with those who he successfully tempted. Its a pretty hazy subject though and my interpretation could be wrong. But one thing seems clear to me, Judgement Day is the last day before eternity (if that makes any sense).

Originally posted by Nellinator
You didn't read the Biblical order of things. The Bible says that after the rapture and tribulation Satan will be CHAINED for a thousand years and Jesus will reign on EARTH for a thousand years. Then Satan will be released again and will tempt all the people on Earth one last time including those born during the thousand year reign. THEN comes Judgement Day and Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity with those who he successfully tempted. Its a pretty hazy subject though and my interpretation could be wrong. But one thing seems clear to me, Judgement Day is the last day before eternity (if that makes any sense).

The rapture is not in the bible. Please post the scripture if I am wrong.

It is not called the rapture which is why people don't see it in their concordance, but it is in the Bible.
Jesus talks of his return in Matthew 24:30-31.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 talks about it as well.
Hope that helps.

Originally posted by Nellinator
It is not called the rapture which is why people don't see it in their concordance, but it is in the Bible.
Jesus talks of his return in Matthew 24:30-31.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 talks about it as well.
Hope that helps.

Please post the scriptures.

"At that time the sign of the Son of Man (Jesus) will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels will a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens (I think this implies Sheol) to the other." Matthew 24:30-31
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Did you have to make me do that?

Originally posted by Nellinator
You didn't read the Biblical order of things. The Bible says that after the rapture and tribulation Satan will be CHAINED for a thousand years and Jesus will reign on EARTH for a thousand years. Then Satan will be released again and will tempt all the people on Earth one last time including those born during the thousand year reign. THEN comes Judgement Day and Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity with those who he successfully tempted. Its a pretty hazy subject though and my interpretation could be wrong. But one thing seems clear to me, Judgement Day is the last day before eternity (if that makes any sense).
Yes, I did read that.........so tell me how........this 1000 years is supposed to purify the human race and for what purpose?

If Satan is condemned along with his angels from the beginning......then what is the purpose of this 1000 reign?.........God knows all right??.........God knows all even from the beginnings of the world right??............sooooooo after the "White Throne" Judgement,.......what would be the purpose of this so called Satan being on the earth another 1000 years?..........Think about this........really now.

Tell us Mr. N. point by point on how this will all accrue please........I would like to hear your view.......honest...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes, I did read that.........so tell me how........this 1000 years is supposed to purify the human race and for what purpose?

If Satan is condemned along with his angels from the beginning......then what is the purpose of this 1000 reign?.........God knows all right??.........God knows all even from the beginnings of the world right??............sooooooo after the "White Throne" Judgement,.......what would be the purpose of this so called Satan being on the earth another 1000 years?..........Think about this........really now.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Bible does not say Satan will reign for a thousand years. He is to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. But fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [Revelation 20:8-9]

That was a lot of extrapolation from those two little passages.

And remember revelations doesn't have a real author. Besides that visions are always symbolic........

Why would god want to decieve the nations once more?????

Originally posted by debbiejo
Besides that visions are always symbolic........

That is an assumption, not necessarily a fact.

Look at Daniel.........they always are....just as they are today......

Originally posted by debbiejo
Look at Daniel.........they always are....just as they are today......

Give the quote

The visions of the lean and fat cows, and the visions of the Statue, and the visions of the corn, and the visions of the chef and the birds, and those that were in prision with him............Daniel, that is...........they were all symbolic.

Originally posted by debbiejo
The visions of the lean and fat cows, and the visions of the Statue, and the visions of the corn, and the visions of the chef and the birds, and those that were in prision with him............Daniel, that is...........they were all symbolic.

Then all you are doing is inferring the absolute nature, not stating fact.

Can you give me a vision that was literal???....

1 Samuel 3:10-15
10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.
11 ¶ And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that heareth it shall tingle.
12 In that day I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house: when I begin, I will also make an end.
13 For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.
14 And therefore I have sworn unto the house of Eli, that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering for ever.
15 ¶ And Samuel lay until the morning, and opened the doors of the house of the LORD. And Samuel feared to shew Eli the vision.

States that this was a vision.

Yet, he did hear it right??? So much so that he asked about the voice.........not a true vision as in seeing..........just a voice...

I'm talking about visual..

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yet, he did hear it right??? So much so that he asked about the voice.........not a true vision as in seeing..........just a voice...

I'm talking about visual..

Lol, splitting hairs. There is nothing saying there was not a visual component.

And still whether or not there is text reference to it, there is no statement against literal visions.