Battle #6 - The Redux

Agreed. Althought this week ahd been oddly slow.

I'll leave it as long as needed for the judges to get their votes in, but debating ends Saturday at midnight.

damn, you guys, your whole strategy is barely cogent! cripes . . .

okay, I’ll deal with nj’s post first as he really just said the same things he said in his previous post:

first, his claim about us using ‘double standards’. You canNOT be serious?? Remind me and everyone else again: WHO WAS IT WHO HID THEIR CHARACTERS BEHIND AN INVINCIBLE SHIELD THEN CLAIMED THEY WOULD ATTACK US FROM BEHIND IT WITHOUT SHOWING PROOF THEY COULD DO SO?? We simply figured if YOU could attack OUT, we could attack in. Then of course you started the whole – the shield does this, it does that, it does this . . . And the only constant? Whatever version you use, you use it incorrectly! We sense your shield, (because we were SPECIFICALLY monitoring to see what you guys would do and ss’s senses are ENHANCED by a ring) move away and encase you. No double standard needed. Shaman and gl can’t help you because they are stuck behind the shield AND a constrictor. We win.

Oh, and now juggs can CONTROL whether the shield steals speed or not? Pitiful. Here are a few scans showing the shield does not slow down a PERSON. Of course, I guess you’re saying he simply CHOSE not to take the speed of these attacks . . .? 🙄

in the first scan juggs TELLS thor his shield is up, but CLEARLY it does NOT 'steal speed' from the attack. shocking as THAT is to believe . . . Oh, and as an added bonus -- juggs is too slow to hit THOR! Hahahaha!

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorxe6.jpg

next scan -- the shield again fails to slow the spinning hammer or juggs OWN decent as he crashes into the asteroid. the shield was up the WHOLE time in that fight. the only time it was down was when thor nullified it. and note how close thor is to juggs. shouldn't he be trapped like a fly at that point . . .

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I say again: anyone with ANY comic knowledge will see that single scan as an aberration. It is refuted in EVERY OTHER BATTLE HE’S EVER BEEN IN!

And stop telling everyone what this ‘mind rape dust’ would do – YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DO!! And AGAIN, ss’s pc DOES affect (and in the case of mephisto, PREVAIL over) magic. Cripes, he synthesized the ODINPOWER! Here is FURTHER proof it can overcome magic:

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not that you can use it BEHIND THE SHIELD!! AND we have loads of shields and some of the greatest wills in both universes, all of whom are naturally ENORMOUSLY resistant to mental attacks. AND we are nowhere NEAR you!!

Your globes are useless – everyone knows it . . . just . . . stop . . .

Nice scan of juggs shrinking nightmare . . . in a DREAM realm . . . and NOT using globes . . . 😕

Um, did anyone else catch the part where nj says shaman has skyfather level magic . . .?

His magic is quite formidable and has tangled and messed with Skyfather level beings before so I assume that he could do the same as well.

you ‘assume’? 😕

even if he DID have this level of power, you couldn’t use it in this fight, bunky – it’s BANNED!! Nothing new for you guys though, eh . . .? What’s ONE MORE assumption, anyway? On the plus side, at least they seem to realize KYLE can’t do it. Oh, and the number of rings does NOT increase the gl’s power. They CAN be used for intimidation, though which is why we made them 😉

Shaman can’t manipulate juggs. Kyle can’t. Guess that means it’s just regular old juggs who gets ported away and makes the fight instantly 3-2 in our favor.

I love the part where nj says they have proven everything by scans. I especially like THESE scans:

The one that proves someone with magic below skyfather can manipulate juggs.
The one that proves they can attack OUT of juggs’ shield.
The one that proves what the lobotomizing dust can REALLY do.
The one that proves the unstoppable flypaper can catch and stop a PERSON in battle.

Yep, those were my favorites. Well, at least they aren’t IMPORTANT parts of their plan . . . 🙄

BW:

Yee-haw, bw has decided to grace us with his presence!! And he bears . . . ENLIGHTENMENT!! What? Sure, he finally seems to have realized that their plan SUCKED and has decided to change tactics!! So we beat your FIRST plan in the ‘first’ fight, (yeah, yeah, nj had some ‘great’ rebuttal . . .) Then we demolished your plan at the start of THIS battle. Now you need to change AGAIN, actually copying parts of OUR strategy! Well, at least you chose a good model this time. And judges, I guess this cinches who had the better strategy from the get-go. Oh, wait, maybe you CAN’T change tactics after all?

People they committed their players to teleporting next to us, now they have to deal with it.

Blair Wind has spoken! Hahahahah!
Uh-oh, looks like someone is committed to being behind the flypaper’s crimson band shields, adamantium and a constrictor . . .

I guess I should stop there, as everything else is now void by the champ’s own declaration, (damn, nj – your partner REALLY isn’t helping you out much . . . ) but . . . just for fun, let’s start by clarifying a few things:

PREP – we share memories (telepathically) and hal pre-programs the ring to make duplicates and ss erects his most powerful force field. EASILY done in 30s.

BATTLE – we DO extend our prep, so? Where in the rules does it say we need to rush into battle immediately? The rings instantly appear, max and ss bolster the shield (max’s shield is a telepathic shield) then we monitor everything you do. Recall please ss’s awareness is now ENHANCED by a ring and max is telepathically keeping track of them. All that happens within the first couple SECONDS of the fight. AS max and ss scan/shield, hal changes to kryptonian. Now, I understand you seem to think it takes, like, DAYS, but, in REALITY, that only takes a second or two. So we are now at, what, 5-7 seconds into the fight? Next, ss and hal create solar radiation to ‘sundip’ hal. Say another 5 seconds. Total time: 10-15 seconds, tucked nice and snug behind our layered shields.

What did THEY do:

They use skyfather+ magic to grow juggs, get inside him and make him invisible. They also put up a shield that let’s nothing get through it. Genius. Except invisibility is meaningless to us, and rules and common sense prevents shaman OR kyle from manipulating juggs. Which means it is REGULAR juggs who appears in the fight, gets ported away and it’s 3 on 2 in a heartbeat.

For fun let’s say you CAN grow him: YOU ENTER THE BATTLE inside giant juggs. Now, as has been stated in our opening, we are MONITORING you. Since we know juggs only chance is to PUNCH us, (punching cosmics is usually pretty effective . . .) the whole teleport part of our plan is dropped. Why the HELL would we keep the same plan? By monitoring you, we are able to see what you are doing and ADJUST. That’s WHY we specifically STATED we were monitoring you. What’s so hard to grasp? But, for sake of argument, let’s say ss WAS a retard and DID port next to the unstoppable flypaper. Teleport does not entail MOVING. Teleport means he just APPEARS. And now you’re saying he’s stuck there?? If he senses he is stuck, he TELEPORTS back away!! Teleport is a mental feat. It requires NO MOVEMENT! And ss’s reactions are so much faster than any of your guys, he’d port in, realize what the shield was doing, and port back out before any of you even knew he was there! And PLEASE don’t say it’s like being ‘stuck’ in the crimson bands. Seriously, if you say his shield acts as the crimson bands again, you’ll have me and the judges throwing up into their keyboards. Please, show a SINGLE scan to support this. Even thor’s hammer RETURNED to him! NEVER – in the HISTORY OF COMICS – has juggs EVER used that ‘speed steal’ against a PERSON he was fighting!!! You even saw a scan where juggs ADMITS his shield is up but it does NOT slow thor’s blows! You guys are the masters of fantasy extrapolation. You see one scan that is refuted a thousand times over 30 years, then take that scan and try to apply it in situations that are utterly inappropriate. You even go so far as to claim the hammer was moving at LIGHTSPEED! STOP MAKING STUFF UP! And even WERE that nonsense in some inexplicable way believed by 1/1000000 people, that shield would be BANNED as juggs would be unkillable! STOP TRYING TO CLAIM BANNABLE POWERS!!

Judges, readers, seriously, think about what they are asking you to accept: they want you to believe what they say about a never-before-used-spell that they PRETEND/ASSUME TO KNOW the range and effects of, they rely on shaman having skyfather magic, and juggs becoming a walking piece of flypaper who’s shield now acts as the CRIMSON BANDS!!

And they think you – or anyone! – will ACCEPT that?

😑

Anyway, shield dealt with, ss telepathically explains things to his team, they back away and . . . Adamantium. Constrictor. Done.

And champ, a couple quick questions. Surely YOU must have proof that:

Someone with magic below skyfather can manipulate juggs?
Proves they can attack OUT of juggs’ shield?
Proves what the lobotomizing dust can REALLY do?
Proves the unstoppable flypaper can catch and stop a PERSON in battle?

And let’s not forget:

Proof that kyle can make INDEPENDENT rings. Because, it would have been great if he did that for the rookies against the spider guild, since his ring doesn’t have yellow weakness and all, (not a weakness to any of US because thanks to sharing memories, we are all EXPERIENCED gls . . ) it really might have helped the corps to just have kyle copy his ring. The one scan you showed of him making dupes in the previous fight he used HAL’S ring to make them. So, prove please that kyle can do it. Shouldn’t be a problem considering you guys prove ‘everything’ . . . Anyway, again allowing for that 1/100000 person who may buy it WITHOUT proof . . . you think juggs could use one because he . . . ‘dug himself out’? And this equates to willpower? 😑 Dude, he knew if he kept walking HE WOULD GET OUT!! Was he just supposed to stop?? He has no tp skills, no way to learn how to use the ring. And they are NOT ‘easy’ to use? Hell, even green arrow’s will was unfit to wield a ring!

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why do you think we made sure we all shared HAL’S memories – which we proved already we could do. Where’s proof YOU guys could do that . . .?

And re: the RETROACTIVE ‘earplugs’ -- 😆 sorry Charlie. We were able to sit and WATCH what you were doing, therefore we had the flexibility to CHANGE our tactics in a realistic manner. You on the other hand, bumbled your way into battle with no idea what WE were gonna do. Your plan gets blown to hell and you retroactively claw and scrape something else together near the end of the debate. Sad. Anyway, you should have thought of the earplugs BEFORE we told you we were using sonics . . .

***(incidentally, juggs needs to CONSCIOUSLY erect his shield – ie, he needs to CONCENTRATE to raise the shield. The sonics would cause him pain (and shaman, and kyle . . .) even if only momentary pain, and it is VERY likely his concentration would falter and he would DROP that shield. In fact, we would be looking for JUST that to happen. With our ring-enhanced senses, we would know instantly, and while they are in pain, we would finish shaman by transmuting the air, and port juggs a hundred miles below the surface, or encase him in adamantium then all 3 of us would be on kyle who would be quickly overwhelmed. We win THAT way, too. 😄 )***

Old plan (the one they KNOW sucks) dealt with. NEW plan . . .

Now you say you instead of staying in juggs hat, the 2 ostriches jump ship and do . . . a bunch of other things . . . WHILE WE ARE SHIELDED!! 😑

What do they expect us to do? Just sit and wait there for them to be done with them prepping each other?

Your mind dust does nothing because it NEVER HAS, (I seriously CANNOT believe you are relying on an attack that HAS NEVER BEEN USED!! Yet you seem so certain of what it is capable of. Frickin’ hilarious!!) And prove please it could get beyond our MULTIPLE layers of shielding (pc, tp AND GL) AND personal shields. Gls ARE pretty resistant to mind attacks, you know . . . On top of that, pc can, has and DOES affect magic. Hell, BW himself said gls are likely immune to shaman’s magic (though now he’s trying to choose what KIND of magic. Like the kind of shield juggs uses! 😆 ) Kyle’s little traps wouldn’t get through because we are SPECIFICALLY guarding against gl energy AND we have TWO gls reinforcing the shield – ss AND max! Your little singularity is banned (geez, again an illegal tactic . . . can you win fairly?) and in any event, ss’s shield has ALREADY withstood a black hole – BEFORE he got a ring!

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Are you comprehending that ss has a ring? That . . . makes him pretty tough. Oh, and shaman would LOVE a singularity . . .

So, shielded as we are, kyle can do nothing, Shaman’s mind dust would also need to get through all our shielding not to mention max’s tp shield made stronger thanks to her ring . . . 😉 yeah, I don’t like the odds of that happening either. Obviously the flypaper’s little globs would be LESS than meaningless against the shields.

Now, about teleporting hal’s ring . . .

😆

Dude, the ring was HAL’S before it was ever kyle’s!! That’s why HAL was able to summon the ring back from KYLE!! As it turned out, Kyle was essentially ‘babysitting’ hal’s ring. Sure he used it for a time, but the ring BELONGS to hal. C’mon, even YOU can’t seriously expect anyone to buy that load of crapola. Well, given the other things you expect the judges to buy, maybe you DO think they’ll buy it . . .

Re: this Order prison: first, it’s not getting through our shields. Second, I wonder WHY it was so effective against carcass . . .? Gee, do you suppose it was because carcass was an agent of . . . KHAOS!? There is likely a REASON he’s only ever used that attack against ONE being. You think it was a coincidence that he used a prison of ORDER against an agent of KHAOS?? And if you think to use it AFTER we come out of our shields: we are NOT beings of KHAOS and the thing grew out of the GROUND to hit a stationary being! We are flying, like, REALLY fast in our fight . . .

Now comes the part of our program where we – ONCE AGAIN – thank bw for his contribution in helping along our cause (nj is gonna start getting po’d at you . . . L )

Kyle can attack from the outside via his ten rings, plus Shamans rings as well...which would provide any protection from there so called matter manipulation

And WHO again made first mention of double standards? And WHO continually said all week that you raise an invincible shield then proceed to try and attack OUT of it?? Tsk, tsk . . .

Anyway, why stop there with your ‘double standards’? Now you say YOUR little PERSONAL shields will block OUR attacks, but you think YOUR attacks will get through our MULTIPLE LAYERS of shielding AND personal shields? 😑

I hope this ends the issue of who creates/tries to take advantage of double standards around here . . .

Oh, and to recap:

Kyle cannot make duplicate rings.
Shaman is NOT skyfather.
The mind dust has never been used.
Juggs is NOT a giant.
Juggs is NOT walking flypaper, (nor is he a walking bunch of crimson bands . . .)

I actually think your ‘new plan’ is worse than the OLD one!! Shielded as we are from ALL your attacks, we see that you have come out of hiding, install our disguises (which takes the same length of time it takes to make ANY construct) teleport to you guys as per our ORIGINAL plan and proceed as we said we would.

If your ostriches STAY in their hidey-hat, (which, as BW says – damn BW, thanks, you’ve really helped us along this match! – they are ‘committed’ to) we attack at a distance and imprison the unstoppable flypaper in adamantium and a constrictor. If you come out, we see that too, disguise ourselves then attack as we said we originally would.

Not that hard, people. They’ve been on the defense the WHOLE fight, they know they were screwed and now have switched things, (and copied our own ideas WITHOUT the proof), relied on never-before-used-powers, skyfather magic, black holes, and juggs’ shield acting as both the crimson bands AND a sheet of flypaper.

And DESPITE all that utter trash, it STILL doesn’t matter. As soon as he’s alone, Juggs is eliminated instantly, (that’s what happens when you send a brick to do a cosmic’s job) and it’s 3 on 2 in a moment’s time.

No matter how much they assume, extrapolate, or use bannable powers, in the end, we STILL win.

Boom goes the dynamite!

One thing that continually made me laugh in your post. Judges, readers, anyone who gives a damn: READ their PM strategy. With all the prep (during the actual BATTLE) they do, do you really think they would be able to monitor us efficiently and just let us have their time?? While they go making all there extravagant plans and expending LOADS of energy we magically mind f*ck them. We never changed our strategy, just improved on it. Juggs would grow, hold you, while we kicked the crap outa you. BUT if you want to continue believing in the "falsehood" of stone cold scans, we can adjust to better fit your screwed up logic. Just for you. Hope you dont complain 😄......again

Ill take a moment and talk individually about my team members:

Shaman-
You seem to think we are using the clouding dust. Learn to read. We used the PASSIVE spell caused by a magical light that PACIFIED the FREAKIN HULK. Guess what? You have just become the worlds BIGGEST pacifist. Whaaaa? So now because your not a Khaos lord the trick wont work? Way to use logic. Man was kicking all kinds of ass and causing pains to reality. Shaman can do the same things as he did to your team while shielded. Your not coming out of the structure and you were made passive as hell in the very beginning, and once passive you were also seeing your greatest fears thanks to his phobia control
Phobia Manipulation: This attack doesn't attack the body, but the mind bringing forth the person's phobias.(which worked on Diamond Lil)
Also seeing as how Shaman can control all types of energy that he produces, he could in his capacity create a type of "anti" energy or "anti" matter (just energy that is not compatible with any of the ones used in combat or with your physiological makeup *which the ring can determine*) and BOOM! goes the opposing team.

and we all know Surfer doesn't like magic anything right?:
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5061639
apparently he had a magical knife that cut Surfer. The Sorcerer stabbed him with it cause he needed cosmic energy for the resurrection of Elder Darkness.
another time something magical has pierced the Surfer:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SilverSurvershit002.jpg
Also we have the fact that all of Shamans powers are magically induced meaning that they would cut through your defenses like butter.
hmmm and what do we have here? seems he doesn't like it very much when his board gets taken away:
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and we have also shown Loki do the same thing 😬
(and dont even try with the GL ring excuse because they got TELEPORTED off). Magically or through Kyle either way its gonna happen.

Kyle-

Proof that kyle can make INDEPENDENT rings.

Juggs-
Newjak will deal with it but what I can say is this: IF making juggs grow wouldn't work, we would change our plan obviously *like you did*

PREP: (with 24 seconds left after trying) we go by making the 21 rings (one for juggs just for its own protection), preprogramming all the rings to shield for them anything coming there way and reflect the attack:http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5420/greenlanternv2175joxerdcppg31om0.jpg ), and fire at anything going past mach 1 (like john did) with about 15 seconds left Kyle converts their genetic structure slightly (him and shaman) to process things at superman speeds and have superman reflexes and durability to match while also giving them telekinesis:
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while at the SAME time Shaman infuses all the rings with raw magical properties making it go through anything you have like butter (as Jade and Alan demonstrate)
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*and did you know magic GL rings can jam regular ones?:http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/al.jpg
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From there since the "time line" has changed, we move on. The battle commences and your team can monitor all they want, as Kyle simply and easily jams and teleports all your rings off while your busy making Hal look like a Superman barbie doll, expending LOADS of energy into bathing him in yellow sun radiation, and bunch of other crap (which as we ALL know cannot come back to them, unlike Kyles 😬 )

Once there all the magical GL energy we have can
(A) Go through any shield you have, while at the same time holding you in ours (Which you cant teleport from and converts all your energy into magical explosions incompatible with your physiological makeup aimed at you. This is by the way is sapping your kinetic energy and using it for other purposes against you:
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla006142wu.jpg) And energy wise? Not even your team can come out of this: *big bang people* http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanv2173pg144bd.jpg
(B) Shaman can make you passive, while facing your greatest fears. Your minds are in such a state that you wouldn't be able to fight us any longer
(C) We can then take surfer away from his board and since hes MAGICALLY mind raped, and seeing his greatest fears while taking it all in passively
(D) Shaman can have the mirrors hold Maxima, while she is MAGICALLY mind f*cked
(E) Considering that Hal has just become a non factor (with no rings) we teleport him to the edge of space and let him die
(F) Once Surfer is grounded and MAGICALLY mind raped and Maxima is held off by magical mirrors that she cant telekinetically stop growing we do two things
1st) We could fast ball special Juggs right at you two. Seeing as nothing can stop the juggernaut, his pure strength and "unstoppability" would crush both of the teammates. As shown PHYSICALLY and MAGICALLY surfer isnt the best in durability:http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radno17zy.jpg http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radno22nl.jpg.
2nd) Proceed to destroy you through various constructs and bombs: http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/PhotoMaster_01/cvbg.jpg
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(G) Once done doing that we can encase you in the structure of pure order (or this can happen before...either way your f*cked 😬 )

Summary
With prep we:
created multiple rings for everyone/infused them with magic
pre programmed the ring to shield and fire at anything coming our way and/or going past mach 1
and enhanced our humans.

During the battle we:
Mind raped them
jammed/teleported all of Hals rings while wrapping them in a non teleporting shield
Sapped kinetic energy while converting it into magical explosions that are incompatible with their physiological makeup thus making them go BOOM!
teleported hal into deep space/magically separated Surfer and the board/had Maxima get run over by mirrors all over the place while still kicking the crap outa the opposing team
Fast ball special Juggernaut at them (and since they are mind raped *passive AND scared they cant do shit)
and encased them in a structure of pure order IF they havent died yet 😬

Judges take note: *IF* making the juggernaut grow proves impossible, we would therefore change tactics slightly. While we are set by battle time, they are still making MASSIVE amounts yellow sun radiation, blocking off red sun, changing DNA, thus expending EXTREME amounts of energy, while all we do is teleport the rings off (which unlike ours do NOT come back to the owner), mind rape, and with our magical GL rings kick the crap out of them. We used less energy then they did, effectively took out one of there characters, and exploited a weakness in all of them (MAGIC)

I would like to further clarify on what is happening right now in this match.

We have in no way changed our strategy or plans we have stuck to exactly what we are doing. What we have been doing though is we've been showing that even if you agree with them with what we can do that none that really helps on these matters as it all leads to to the same ends.

I will go over everything they've thrown at us and show you how none of it helps and where they are beaten and what they've done different..

First the Shield: I will use Leo's quote:

Remind me and everyone else again: WHO WAS IT WHO HID THEIR CHARACTERS BEHIND AN INVINCIBLE SHIELD THEN CLAIMED THEY WOULD ATTACK US FROM BEHIND IT WITHOUT SHOWING PROOF THEY COULD DO SO?? We simply figured if YOU could attack OUT, we could attack in. Then of course you started the whole – the shield does this, it does that, it does this . . . And the only constant? Whatever version you use, you use it incorrectly! We sense your shield, (because we were SPECIFICALLY monitoring to see what you guys would do and ss’s senses are ENHANCED by a ring) move away and encase you. No double standard needed. Shaman and gl can’t help you because they are stuck behind the shield AND a constrictor. We win.

Oh, and now juggs can CONTROL whether the shield steals speed or not? Pitiful. Here are a few scans showing the shield does not slow down a PERSON. Of course, I guess you’re saying he simply CHOSE not to take the speed of these attacks . . .?

in the first scan juggs TELLS thor his shield is up, but CLEARLY it does NOT 'steal speed' from the attack. shocking as THAT is to believe . . . Oh, and as an added bonus -- juggs is too slow to hit THOR! Hahahaha!

next scan -- the shield again fails to slow the spinning hammer or juggs OWN decent as he crashes into the asteroid. the shield was up the WHOLE time in that fight. the only time it was down was when thor nullified it. and note how close thor is to juggs. shouldn't he be trapped like a fly at that point . . .

Secondly he is right with the logic that if nothing comes in then nothing comes out idea except he never used that logic on himself he constantly made replies that our guys could not attack out of the shield but they could still attack us in which is a double standard. Face it Leo either nothing comes in or out or something comes in or out you can't have it both ways. Either way is fine with us because we still win.

Now about that scan Leo of Thor dodging Cain you do realize that is the same comic where Cain discusses the speed stealing aspect of his sheild right??? I like that one you are gonna try and use that as evidence when a few panels later he uses the same ability you to wanted to prove as false that is funny Leo.

Judges
So basically either you except our notion of the Speed stealing part we talked about. On the other hand you can expect their nothing can come out or come in idea which also means they have to wait for us to drop the shield before they can do anything which doesn't help their cause because if we do drop it it will be when we have Shaman doing his attack which means they are done for anyways. Thanks Leo.

For the Giant Juggs:

We have shown a scan of Juggs being able to get larger. What we said is that Kyle should be able to do it which we still believe they can. Now they said it would take a large mystical force to do such a thing. Shaman is a very powerful Magic User who has been able to use his magic on very powerful beings. He would just as easily be able to do it. Once again proving their point is mute. Now if you don't believe we could we already addressed that issue as well by simply doing the same thing just behind GL and maybe a magic shield or two which by the way is alot easier than the ton of powers they are trying to give themselves.

On BW changing our plan:

He never changed our plan he filled in the gap on what Kyle would be doing during this. Everything I had Shaman and Juggs doing was the same. The only difference is now Kyle is added on to show that while we could beat them solely with two people that now we have a third that is absolutly destroying them with his own powers. Nothing changed they still loose.

Now onto the fact that the Globs are more serious then they are taking:

I've already shown how Juggs attacks have effected a very powerful being. About it being a dream world Lwo also failed to mention that Strange and Juggernaut were both their in physical bodies so they were in fact taking on a physical being in his own realm and Jugg's attack both in shrinking and blasting them had great effect. So the idea they are gonna sit there and try taking on Hundreds of Gigantic Blobs of Sheer Magic Energy thats fine with us.

Now onto them saying we have done a lot of back tracking when they've done the most:

As Leo said they have extended their prep but the problem is they are not using very simple attacks or powers here they are duplicating rings and giving themsleves more super powers and Sundipping, etc etc. None of that is simple to do and fast to do even in their own scans these things aren't instant.
We aren't waiting for them even while Kyle his doing his things Shaman is still doing his. Mind raping them making them Passive like his spell did with the hulk or his Phobia Powder(Mind Clouding Powder). Like they said Shaman never did use that powder even though Shaman has never been going to use soething unless it works but hey like we said he can still use his Phobia Powder to do the same thing. So now instead of Clam retarded people you are passive scared people(Think a kid cowering in the corner). Take your pick they both do the same for us.

Onward to their in battle plan. They are the ones who have changed it around alot. At first they were simply doing all this million and one things of prep than teleporting close to us trying to attack us.

As soon as we talked about Giant Juggs and a spead stealing shield then they went onto talking about trying to attak us inside our shields when we couldn't attack out. When they offered no proof that it was true what they were saying about them being able to do something we couldn't they switched to a we are gonna lurk around and wait for the shield to drop idea. Which didn't help because they realized that they couldn't escape our magical attacks when or if we had to drop them.

They went into a we are going to attack you from miles away idea. Then we corrected them by telling distance Doesn't matter for Shaman's attacks. They then went into a we are gonna scan you from the begining plan to show that they are somehow gonna try and get the first attack but by doing so they also don't realize that they would have to drop half of their new found prep powers just like that and it still doesn't help because Shaman is basically MindRaping them from the begining and they are gonna need alot more and have even stated they will need a lot more than one attack to beat us.

Now they are trying to rely on their GL rings for everything to get them through which doesn't help them at all as BW has already shown they will get teleported off anyways another moot point that they have no defence for.

RECAP
It seems to me they have been the ones changing everything they've been doing and none of it has helped them at all even when they have tried argueng rediculus points.

In the end this match comes down to their resistance to Shaman's attack of which they have done a lousy job of doing.
The best they have done is try to say the GL rings will protect them and show SS taking and breaking Magic objects like Blasts and shields. As already pointed out superman has done similar things but he isn't immune to magic these attacks would still work on him. Heck we have even shown where magical objects have effected Silver Surfer because they were solely magic. The GL ring defence relies on something we said pertaining to a different spell and we even stated in the original post that we felt that these attacks would still be effective in our opening post so in no way did we believe that they are immune to these attacks.

Other than that they have shown nothing to help them out. The best they mustered was for SS(Which were still terrible) and they didn't even try to post anything for their other two people. This just tells you we win.

Basically they think they are getting a trillion attacks off on all of us and this is after the thousand years of prep they are doing compared to the very few attacks we have to do
Seems a little I don't know one sided if you ask me basically they only way they have a chance of winning is if we wait for them to do everything they want.

I can understand how BW is a little confused and uninformed about what Leo and I are doing in the debate as he has waited until the round is nearly over to post at all. That being the case, I would like to clear a few things up.

First, once the fight starts ALL the Surfer will be doing is monitoring their team and producing some yellow sunlight which is hardly a taxing activity for Galactus' most powerful herald. However, he isn't alone as from our opening post you can see that Maxima is joining him in scanning the other team. As for their sad contention that they will "mind rape" us, I can only laugh. The Surfer has resisted mental manipulation from Moon Dragon with the mind gem, Maxima is one of the most powerful telepaths in DC, and our entire team is protected by Green Lantern rings. To top it off, they are claiming that some dust that was never used and some calming light (more on this later) will be enough to override all of our defenses...😑. Much like the rest of their "strategy" this claim is poorly supported and rather ridiculous.

SS vs Moon Dragon w/ mind gem
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And here we see how Hal has to lower his shield to allow Hector Hammond to access his memories telepathically (remember this is a protection our entire team has)
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And trying to use telepathy on Hal is a bad idea
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And for Maxima's tp feats please refer back to Leo's scans of her in the first round.

Now on to each of their characters:

Shaman
Unarguably the biggest mistake BW and Newjak made in this round was sealing Kyle and Shaman inside of Juggernaut's helmet and behind his shield. This in effect not only prevents them from launching any type of conventional or telepathic attack (as it would be blocked by both the helmet and shield) but also from even being able to see our team. Thus even if Shaman wanted to launch an attack at our team he couldn't even see what he as aiming at. Now they've generally ignored this problem the entire debate as they obviously don't have a solution for it.

We can see this with their "passive light" attack. Thus trapped behind Juggy's helmet the light would never reach our team and would only effect their own character (Kyle) who is trapped with Shaman. Besides the effects of this "attack" are laughable. It calmed down the Hulk....and that is suppose to cripple our team? Being calm? No one on our team depends on an unconrolable rage to be effective in a fight and being calm would only help them stay focused. 😱
Between that and Juggy's "tree destroying" globs our team is in big trouble 🙄

The phobia attack is likewise futile. Again it would be blocked by Juggy's shield (which has proven very good at blocking magic attacks). Not only that but our GL defenses can easily handle this attemtp at mental manipulation. Hell Blair Wind has already stated in the first "round 6" that Green Lanterns are practicaly immune to Shaman's magic:

"Now I'll bet the GL rings can handle the magic, but SS has had a small flaw when it comes to high end magic"

Now he has backed off this statement by claiming that the GL rings can only block some magic but would be affected by other. And of course he has generiously voluenteered to judge for every which attacks it could and could not block. Sorry but it doesn't work that way. By his own admission a GL (like our entire team) can handle Shaman's magic and he can't take that back no matter how much he realizes it hurts him. And as for his contention that our GL rings are going to be teleported off, I guess he should have spent the week at least reading the debate even though he didn't participate. In our opening post you can see how Hal preprogrammed the rings he created to bond themselves permanently to the Surfer, Maxima, and himself. Sorry but they are not coming off.

Shaman is stuck behind Juggy's shield and hemet meaning none of his attacks can reach our team and even if they could, BW has admitted that Shaman's magic will not affect our team of Green Lanterns.

Kyle

I see they still can't understand the concept of proof. 😬 They can't find a single scan to show that Kyle is actually able to use his ring to create more GL rings. If you will remember in the first "round 6" they actually used scans of Kyle using HAL'S RING to make copies as proof Kyle could do it. 😆 In fact those scans came from a story line (GL #100 I think) where Kyle meets a time displaced Hal. Before Hal leaves he gives Kyle a copy of his ring that can create more copies so that Kyle can recreate the GL Corps (thus showing that Kyle's ring lacks the ability). All they would need is a single scan of him making a ring to prove their point but they can't even find that.

Like Shaman, they've foolishly trapped Kyle behind Juggy's shield and helmet meaning that he is basically useless in this fight. And even if he was not, a sundipped Kryptonian Hal with miltiple rings is far more than a match for Kyle.

Juggernaut

They are still stuck on the idea that either Kyle or Shaman can duplicate SKYFATHER level magic despite there being absolutely no proof of this. Hell they don't even seem to realize that with the limits of this tourney, skyfather level magic would be banned even if they could prove one of their character could duplicate it.

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Notice how they expect Juggy and Shaman to be instantly able to use GL rings? I guess they don't realize that that is not how the rings work now. As Leo showed even Green Arrow who is very familiar with the rings and how they work was barley able to make one construct and it took damn near everything he had. That is why we shared not only Hal's memeories and training with the GL ring but also the parts of his personality that give him such a strong will with our team. We actually took the time to think of how to make such a tactic successfully work. They did not.

As for their new prep plan, we can see just how desperite they've become. Waiting until the last day of the tourney in a vain hope that the judges will ignore the flaws and mistakes they made with their first one and that we won't have enough time to point them out in the new one. 🙁

Most of what they are trying to do has either already been proven impossible or is merely pointless conjecture. Any changes to Shaman or Kyle is useless as they are still trapped behind Juggy's shield and helmet (unless they've seen just what a GIANT mistake that is and want to change it now) and we took care of their little "teleporting the rings off" tactic from the start of the round. It really wasn't that hard to predict that attack, we just expected BW not to wait so long to actually try to debate. Our team still outmatches them in terms of speed, strength, offensive firepower, telepathic attacks, and versatility.

So now Shaman's powers work exactly like Alan Scott's while a few posts ago Shaman were exactly like a Skyfather being from the Marvel Universe??? doh The hardest part of debating this team hasn't been discrediting the conjecture they try to pass off as a plan or even dealing with the "misquotes" that popped up, but it has been trying to make sense of their ever changing and inconsistant arguments. They want to change not only what their characters are doing by what power levels/sets they have. Shaman and Alan are not interchangable and have only superficial similarities in their powers.

And aparrently Alan smashing a giant wood ant Hal made with a rock (not an energy construct mind you but an actual wood ant) means to BW that Alain can easily cut through any GL shield/defenses 😑 I'm sometimes amazed by their "logic" or lack thereof. I beg you judges, please actually look at their scans rarely do they actually show what they are claiming. ❌

Their Plan
They are sadly dependant on flawed ideas to get them though this round and if that wasn't bad enough they've crippled their two most versatile characters by placing them inside of Juggy's helmet and shield.

*They can't prove Juggernaut's shield can freeze someone in place (even after it supposedly stole the momentum from Thor's hammer, Mjolnir still returned to him and Thor himself has punch the shield and NOT be stuck in place)

*They can't prove what Shaman's dust will do as it has never been used before, and they can't prove he or Kyle can attack from INSIDE of Juggy's shield and helmet.

*The can't prove our team will ever get anywhere near Juggy's shield thanks to our monitoring, GL scans, and Cosmic Awarness. This means we can encase them in a Constrictor and Adamantium and thus win the fight.

Now BW has tried to save his team in the eleventh hour but it is too little and far too late. Their tactics are ineffective and actually serve to handicap their own team more than threaten ours. And I'm afraid any energy attack would be useless against our ENTIRE team. Hal (and thus the Surfer and Maxima) can easily shrink down any energy attack or produce anit-energy:
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Here a few scans showing what Kyle can do (who sandman has said will surpass Hal. That time has come don't you think?): http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=danielkyleyy6.jpg

Now with ten rings on him and Shaman, and all of them enhanced by raw magic (which hmmmm it seems is a handicap your team has) and pre programmed to shield and fire on anything going faster than mach 1 (as John did) would kick the crap out of your team *considering that UNLIKE Kyles Ion enhanced ring, your rings don't come back once teleported)
Kyle Rayner vs. Traitor, a being who's blast was capable of destroying planets (and as shown made a whole solar system light up) and could easily defeat 2 Green Lanterns as this battle ends up destroying asteroids and planets (possibly one of the best battle. Realize how Traitor mentions that ONLY Kyle Rayner has faced him in full might that not even Hal Jordan or Abin Sur was able to face him in)
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vs the members of the White Martians Hyperclan (who all have high end durability)
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vs Sinestro
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vs Nero
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Hal at his best 😖hifty:
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vs Nero again before turning into Ion:
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Vs Amazo 2000. The version of the Amazo had the powers of nearly every superhero on Earth. The JSA, JLA, Marvel family, Strange Visitor, Firestorm, etc.
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These fights should prove to anyone that without a doubt, we have become EVEN MORE powerful with our magic GL rings and have the tactical advantage in that area. You have to remember that all these fights where against resistant foes, but seeing as Shaman can easily pacify them (as he has done to the hulk) AND let them see there phobias, they would be in NO state to retaliate against our magically enhanced Oan team. While juggs can be used as the proverbial cartoon anvil, and has the one ring to shield him with its auto shields from light and sound based attacks. Also lets take a look at your OWN scans: http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image= greenlantern031117jr.jpg
what is the FIRST thing people do with the rings? They fly?? Juggs just got the ability to fly 😈

The magical GL rings could also Jam regular rings (hey Kahn buddy....READ THE TEXT! 😬 ) :
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Our forcefields surrounding you can constrict you, not letting you teleport, and unless you have the power of the big bang and a supernova you cant break free, and all your efforts to get out turn into magical explosives, sapping all your energy (kinetic and otherwise), and can absorb all your energy. We can also make the energy magically incompatible with your physical makeup or the energy your throwing out (a type of anti-all energy) thus making you magically explode 😈

I also love the fact that you keep mentioning that Shaman never used a certain magic. Do you read what I write? Your right he never used the CLOUDING dust. He did PACIFY the hulk. As in he no longer wanted to fight. That in and off itself will be ruins your team. All these things can be supplied by the magic running in the GL rings. We arnt equating it to Alans magic just proving that magic can be infused in a ring. About the the teleporting. You may have "permanatly" attached it to the finger, but as shown by Jack T. Chance the same thing happened and Lobo STILL got the ring from him. Teleportation is also not a "physical" act and with the added magic this tactic would work. Others have also proven the same thing. Once you prove that MAGICALLY (which Surfer IS vulnerable to which we have shown) we CANT mind f*ck you you MAY have something to go by. Until then our magically enchanced GL rings kick your butt. Are you seriously going to argue that one gl ring cant duplicate and another can when Kyle has THE BEST RING EVER MADE? I thought you two were supposed to be......good. 🙁 If anything Kyle has more duplication feats than Hal.

Learn to use logic, stop playing words games and above all stop ignoring facts we have already presented

As newjak says: Yeah you guys may be the Cosmic Caballeros but we have your magic tequila right here

I really did expect more out of you guys. All you've really done is string together conjecture and the feats of characters not on your team in a plan that is fundamentally flawed. Kyle and Shaman are still trapped behind Juggy's shield and helmet (unless you guys finally realize what a mistake this is and want to change it now). Any of your "attacks" and I do use the term loosely will be blocked by both the helmet and your own shield.

Here is just a small list of the "attacks" that are suppose to take down our team of highly trained and expierenced Green Lanterns:

*energy globs that can blow up a tree and can be dodged by Cyclops

*a magic dust that was never used and they haven't proven it could mind rape a gerbil much less a GL Silver Surfer, GL Maxima, and or Hal

*a "calming light" that only calmed down the Hulk. Not only will this attack not reach our team thanks to Juggy's helmet and it's effects be blocked by our GL rings, but even if it was able to affect us it would only serve to help our team stay calm and focused.

*Juggernaut's shield that was suppose to freeze us in place even though they can't provide a single scan of it doing that. Even the scans where it "steals the momentum" of Thor's hammer, Mjolnir still returns to Thor's hand and Thor later strikes the same shield without being stuck.

Not to mention their clearly false claims:

*Kyle can duplicate the magic of a Skyfather being to make Juggernaut grow

*Next it was Shaman who could duplicate the magic of a Skyfather level being.

*that Juggernaut or Shaman could use a GL ring. When we used this tactic (I wonder where they got the idea) we laid out a logical method by which Hal's memories, expierence, training, and aspects of his personality that give him such a strong will would be passed on to our other team members. They have done no such thing. Currently, only people with extremely strong wills can use a ring unlike in pre-Crisis DC.

*That Kyle can create copies of his ring. If that is so they would have post a scan of him doing that by now. In fact in the first "round 6" they actually tried to pass off scans of Kyle using Hal's ring to create copies as "proof" Kyle's ring could do it. We called them on that before the match ended which is why they didn't use them here. All they could find in this round was a scan of Kyle talking about re-programing his ring as ION as proof he can currently make extra rings.

The scans that they origionally used are from Green Lantern #100 on where Kyle meets a time displaced Hal Jordan who gives Kyle a copy of his ring so that Kyle could rebuild the Corps (as Kyle's ring can't make copies). If Kyle's ring could make copies he wouldn't have needed Hal's to rebuild the Corps. Kyle never had a "standard" Gl ring after all.

*That Shaman can imbue the rings with magic 😑 In the scan they show as "proof" all we see is that Jade uses her ring to focus Alan's Starheart energy. That's it. Shaman's and Alan's powers work complelety differently and the two are not interchangable. More to the point the scan they used to once again "prove" that Alan can easily tear through a GL's shields/constructs is garbage. Alan used a rock to crush a giant wooden ant Hal created (not an energy construct as it had to be wood to affect Alan). Even though Blair Wind has already admitted that Shaman's magic wouldn't affect our team of GLs.

"Now I'll bet the GL rings can handle the magic, but SS has had a small flaw when it comes to high end magic" - Blair Wind

In fact BW was on to something. Not only does Hal not have a weakness to magic but it takes Dr. Strange/Fate level magic or higher to destroy his shields/constructs.
In this scan a prision that wasn't even designed to stop magic but created by Hal to imprision Ultraman, took the combined effort of Dr. Fate and Starman to break out. In fact you can see Alan say his power ring is useless against Hal's construct!
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/Justice_League_of_America_207-09.jpg

*Their little (mis) quote of the Marveldirectory.com article about Juggernaut and their claim that Marveldirectory.com is run by Marvel Comics. We had to disprove both of these claims and all they had as an answer for these flat out lies was that they accidently edited them. Please, that is crap and everybody knows it. A mistake would have been leaving out a word or sentence, what they did was RE-WRITE A SENTENCE IN ORDER FOR IT TO SAY WHAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD HELP THEM. This team has a bad habit of making claims that the facts simply don't back up.

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As for BW's last post, none of his scans have anything to do with the issues in this debate. All he did was show that Kyle was a top tier Green Lantern. Good job. 👆 We all already knew that and no one was arguing the opposite. The problem with you team (well at least on of the many problems) hasn't been your team's abilities but the way you two have misused and squandered them.

Anyway if we are just going to post battle scans of our characters then so be it.

A Rookie Hal matches Parallax:
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Hal tears through the GL Corps, taking down his former comrades left and right, including the incredibly skilled and incredible strong Kilowog.
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Hal takes the ring from Kyle, and proceeds to use the ring to take on the entire JLA and defeat them readily.
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Hal puts down Mongul with one monster hit even through he had a shattered shoulder and knee. Mongul later went on to take Superman and Kyle on at the same time.
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Marty, just an aspect of Hal's personality, defeats the entire Justice League using tactics the original Hal Jordan had created long ago, then teleports away.
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(Here we see that Hal is able to easily pull out the fears out of beings as strong willed and powerful as Superman)
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Superman brings Hal to the Fortress of Solitude to test the limits of his Emerald Energies and finds that his power defies quantification.
The real gold here, however, is Hal's reaction to Superman's discovery. A shrug of the shoulders and an easy smile, in the self assured manner of one who is at peace with himself.
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Hal Jordan confronts the frighteningly powerful (Along with insane) Lord Malvolio of the Green Flame. He has no weakness to yellow and Hal still has his, he has no time limit, he has virtually no limits. The entire planet, was just a construction of his ring, his will power. Hal is punched through a planet, feels nothing.
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Keep in mind that ALL of our characters have these GL abilities as well as the memories of doing them in addition to their own power sets.

First, once the fight starts ALL the Surfer will be doing is monitoring their team and producing some yellow sunlight which is hardly a taxing activity for Galactus' most powerful herald. However, he isn't alone as from our opening post you can see that Maxima is joining him in scanning the other team. The Surfer has resisted mental manipulation from Moon Dragon with the mind gem, Maxima is one of the most powerful telepaths in DC, and our entire team is protected by Green Lantern rings.

Secondly on your TP and willpower resistance means nothing to our attacks as this isn't standard TP it is a magic spell big difference. About Mind gem arguement do I even have to mention that Dr. Strange alone has used magic to help him overcome many of the Infinity Gems before right nice example it actually helps our cause because Magic>then whatever you've posted.

Unarguably the biggest mistake BW and Newjak made in this round was sealing Kyle and Shaman inside of Juggernaut's helmet and behind his shield. Thus even if Shaman wanted to launch an attack at our team he couldn't even see what he as aiming at. Now they've generally ignored this problem the entire debate as they obviously don't have a solution for it.
We can see this with their "passive light" attack. Thus trapped behind Juggy's helmet the light would never reach our team and would only effect their own character (Kyle) who is trapped with Shaman. Besides the effects of this "attack" are laughable. It calmed down the Hulk....and that is suppose to cripple our team? Being calm? No one on our team depends on an unconrolable rage to be effective in a fight and being calm would only help them stay focused.
The phobia attack is likewise futile. Hell Blair Wind has already stated in the first "round 6" that Green Lanterns are practicaly immune to Shaman's magic:
"Now I'll bet the GL rings can handle the magic, but SS has had a small flaw when it comes to high end magic"
Now he has backed off this statement by claiming that the GL rings can only block some magic but would be affected by other. And of course he has generiously voluenteered to judge for every which attacks it could and could not block. Sorry but it doesn't work that way. By his own admission a GL (like our entire team) can handle Shaman's magic and he can't take that back no matter how much he realizes it hurts him. And as for his contention that our GL rings are going to be teleported off, I guess he should have spent the week at least reading the debate even though he didn't participate. In our opening post you can see how Hal preprogrammed the rings he created to bond themselves permanently to the Surfer, Maxima, and himself. Sorry but they are not coming off.

Shaman is stuck behind Juggy's shield and hemet meaning none of his attacks can reach our team and even if they could, BW has admitted that Shaman's magic will not affect our team of Green Lanterns.

Next your still clinging to something we said without proving any of it yourself thats nice. So basically what your saying is we've got nothing so we are going to keep using this one phrase to try and hide that fact. really good debating boys.
Next you have alot of defences but do anything of them actually block Magic Spells. I remember you once told us we couldn't block teleportation without proving it well I think its your time now. Prove that your shields can block Magic because I doubt it.
And your permantly bonding those rings well I like to see how your doing that since even Hal hasn't been bonded to his ring. I mean you can say it doesn't make it true that it. No GL has ever done that why are we going to take your word you can do it now ; )
face it his powders are effecting you making you passive while seeing your worst fears turning you into kids crouched in a corner.

All they would need is a single scan of him making a ring to prove their point but they can't even find that.

Like Shaman, they've foolishly trapped Kyle behind Juggy's shield and helmet meaning that he is basically useless in this fight. And even if he was not, a sundipped Kryptonian Hal with miltiple rings is far more than a match for Kyle.

As for their new prep plan, we can see just how desperite they've become. Waiting until the last day of the tourney in a vain hope that the judges will ignore the flaws and mistakes they made with their first one and that we won't have enough time to point them out in the new one.

Most of what they are trying to do has either already been proven impossible or is merely pointless conjecture. Any changes to Shaman or Kyle is useless as they are still trapped behind Juggy's shield and helmet (unless they've seen just what a GIANT mistake that is and want to change it now) and we took care of their little "teleporting the rings off" tactic from the start of the round. It really wasn't that hard to predict that attack, we just expected BW not to wait so long to actually try to debate. Our team still outmatches them in terms of speed, strength, offensive firepower, telepathic attacks, and versatility

So now Shaman's powers work exactly like Alan Scott's while a few posts ago Shaman were exactly like a Skyfather being from the Marvel Universe??? The hardest part of debating this team hasn't been discrediting the conjecture they try to pass off as a plan or even dealing with the "misquotes" that popped up, but it has been trying to make sense of their ever changing and inconsistant arguments. They want to change not only what their characters are doing by what power levels/sets they have. Shaman and Alan are not interchangable and have only superficial similarities in their powers.

*They can't prove Juggernaut's shield can freeze someone in place (even after it supposedly stole the momentum from Thor's hammer, Mjolnir still returned to him and Thor himself has punch the shield and NOT be stuck in place)

*They can't prove what Shaman's dust will do as it has never been used before, and they can't prove he or Kyle can attack from INSIDE of Juggy's shield and helmet.

*The can't prove our team will ever get anywhere near Juggy's shield

Now BW has tried to save his team in the eleventh hour but it is too little and far too late. Their tactics are ineffective and actually serve to handicap their own team more than threaten ours. And I'm afraid any energy attack would be useless against our ENTIRE team.

Go ahead face it guys you have done nothing in this match to even begin to disprove you guys can take our attacks and then put us down before we put you guys down.
Basically there best arguement is we can't attack but its as simple as dropping the shields then teleporting out. we've never changed our plans they are the same if you can tell me how we've changed it instead of saying it maybe someone would believe as it is we've shown where you've changed everything you've said over and over but where we haven't.

Post Count

Kahn- 4
Leo- 4
Blair- 3
Newjak- 5

a few things not to lose sight of:

1. our battle prep took about 10 seconds -- all the while we monitored them to see what they would do.

2. they have never proved that kyle's ring CAN make duplicates. if it's THAT easy, why doesn't EVERYONE have one? don't you think the corps and guardians would LIKE to have all it's members have rings that are NOT flawed by parallax . . .? kyle with his NEW ring has NOT made duplicates. they can ask, "why WOULDN'T it be able to?" all they like. kyle's ring IS special, it IS different, and because it IS different, there is no guarantee AT ALL that it can duplicate itself. if, as they claim, he has 'so many duplicating feats', it shouldn't be a problem at all to show kyle with his new ring duplicating it. right . . .?

3. yet again they make a ludicrous, unsupportable claim. first they claim shaman is a skyfather and can manipulate juggs. NOW they say his power is equivalent to the STARHEART!! because nothing short of THAT UBER-magical source has tampered with the ring.

nj: "well, if a near-omnipotent entity can manipulate juggs, shaman can too."

bw: "well, if a monumentally powerful magic source like the starheart (all the gathered magic of a universe!) can give sentinel magic gl power, then sure shaman can do it."

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please tell me it's not just me scratching my head at these arguments they are bringing up. SHAMAN has the power to tamper with a ring?? if it were THAT easy, i'd think neron, or faust or any other high level magic-user might have done the same. and what exactly does shaman DO to it? he just . . . makes it magic . . .? wtf? oh, and by the way . . . WHEN does shaman make the rings magic, and just how LONG does that take . . .? you seem to think shaman just needs to LOOK at them or something. if it's POSSIBLE, it probably would take him a LOOOOONNNNNGGGGGGG time to even BEGIN to understand the rings enough to tamper with them!!

4. pacifying rock/phobia thingy: (please note -- AGAIN no scans to support the effects of these attacks. poor, poor debating skills. less words, more pictures. your teams credibility already sucks, so taking your word for things is NOT an option. SHOW ME WHAT THESE ATTACKS CAN DO!!) anyway, ss IS a pacifist and like max and hal, he is protected by gl shields, pc shield and TELEPATHIC shield -- for the first 10 seconds. max is one of the most POWERFUL telepaths in the UNIVERSE. you think you can muck with her mind and get through her shield to . . . pacify us? c'mon, even YOU can't believe that, especially in light of the fact that gl shields CAN withstand direct magic attack from dr fate (a LEGITIMATE strange-level character) AND ss's OWN power has withstood both loki AND OVERCOME mephisto -- in his own REALM! and that was BEFORE he has a ring. as for phobias -- ss has defeated a FEAR-EATER (see scan below), hal makes of LIVING of dealing with a conquering 'fear', and max has her TP protection AND hal's memories and will to draw on + her own gl shield! not to mention all the OTHER shields that are surrounding her and the others!

here, a creature that LIVES on fear by causing it, is REJECTED by the ss:

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no, i don't think you're 'pacifying' anyone, and the oldest trick in the book 'calling on people's fears -- like EVERYONE hasn't tried THAT one . . . ) isn't working either. our shields are reinforced by the wills of TWO gls AND the power cosmic AND one of the most powerful TPs in the dc universe. you don't do jack until we decide to come out . . .

5. more rings does NOT equate to more power. ask validus if you don't beileve us. and anyway, HAL HAS 10 as well. so kyle is just gonna overcome the shields, overcome hal's OWN will and port the rings away? even though we were SPECICALLY ordering ss's and max's rings (who are VERY experienced gls) NOT to allow any ring energy into the shield? 😑

you guys certainly seem to think getting past all those shields is an easy thing to do for some reason . . .

oops, maybe they KNOW they can't do jack. and once AGAIN bw comes to our rescue!! thanks again bw, the cheque is in the mail . . . 😉

Once there all the magical GL energy we have can

to do all the nonsense they claim they are going to do, they are relying on SHAMAN to make the rings all . . . MAGICAL!!

if anyone buys the fact that SHAMAN has the power to tamper with a ring, i'm in the wrong forum . . .

that means all the nonsense they were talking does NOT happen if they don't have some ridiculous "magical lantern energy". they do NOT have 'magical lantern energy.

6. if you need another reason NOT to vote for them, consider the fact that they try to deceive you at every step. bw's scan of ss being impaled by mephisto was more than a little misleading. that was ss's SOUL, not the REAL ss. and even his SOUL was fine. it is the very next page and is STILL ss's soul battling mephisto. . .

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the fact that he AGAIN stood toe-to-toe with mephisto is testament to the ss's resistance to magic. once again, a tip 'o the cap to bw . . .

7. saying we use loads of energy to do our prep is a LOAD of bs . . . do the rings grow tired like the surfer does . . .? 🙄

8.

Then we corrected them by telling distance Doesn't matter for Shaman's attacks.

EXACTLY right, nj. you TOLD us. you never SHOWED anyone anything. again.

9.

Now about that scan Leo of Thor dodging Cain you do realize that is the same comic where Cain discusses the speed stealing aspect of his sheild right???

dammit i am getting TIRED of correcting you and bw's errors/lies. NO IT WAS NOT THE SAME ISSUE. the hammer scan is thor 411. MY scans are the rematch in #429!!

10. the reason we have NOT been (seemingly) using all our characters is simply -- the first part of the debate revolved around them being behind juggs shield the whole time. we countered by moving away, encasing them and winning. now that they have stopped hiding, they ineffectually attack our shields for 5 seconds or so, we teleport out, disguised and end things. who CARES if anyone thinks juggs can fly. ss eliminates him -- INSTANTLY. or encases him. NO ONE WILL BUY THAT JUGGS CAN WIELD A RING!! not of course that you PROVED KYLE CAN MAKE COPIES! juggs is out, and it is 3-2 in less than a second into the fight. shaman -- who has never been shielded, finds himself against max (who uses her ring to create a devive to AMPLIFY her tp powers!!) and shows him what a TRUE MIND RAPING is . . . even if for some inexplicable reason, some belives without evidence that kyle CAN make copies, a second after the fight starts shaman is double teamed by max AND ss. they end that QUICKLY, then kyle is against all 3 of us.

Secondly on your TP and willpower resistance means nothing to our attacks as this isn't standard TP it is a magic spell big difference. About Mind gem arguement do I even have to mention that Dr. Strange alone has used magic to help him overcome many of the Infinity Gems before right nice example it actually helps our cause because Magic>then whatever you've posted.

nj, you are NOT helping bw here (of course bw HAS helped us a lot -- maybe you're getting back at him . . .?)

STRANGE NEEDED TO GATHER THE MOST POWERFUL MAGICAL ITEMS IN EXISTENCE TO COUNTER EACH GEM INDIVIDUALLY!! ss withstood the blast UNAIDED!! and i don't know how much more evidence you need to see to believe ss CAN and has OFTEN resisted and OVERCOME enormously powerful magic.

They keep saying we trapped them but they aren't. I mean they think they are attacking us inside the helmet just fine but that we can't do the same good example friends of another Double Standard your placing on us.

wtf?? are you and bw even on the same team!!? he's already acknowledged that juggs prolly CAN'T be made big, and gone off and came up with a DIFFERENT plan!! the attacking through the shield issue that YOU raised first in your first post by saying nothing gets through it THEN attacking us through it, is no longer relevent. cripes, we're fighting 2 separate plans. no wonder this debate has been so f'd. you and bw don't even seem to know what each other is doing.

and it doesn't matter -- in this fight . . . JUGGERNAUT IS USELESS. if he's big, they are inside (which as bw pointed out they should be committed to . . . 😖hifty🙂 we encase them and win that way. if he's small, ss ports to him and ports him away. he CAN'T have a ring because his will would not be strong enough AND kyle can't make copies.

Prove that your shields can block Magic because I doubt it.

hal's shield, as shown by kahn, HAS BLOCKED THE POWER OF DR. FATE! it took the combined efforts of he and his partner to break out and even THEN it wasn't easy! sorry toots, already proven. and we have TWO gls reinforcing the shield! 😉

You gave us the proof when you showed Kyle doing just that. Now your saying that since it was Hal's ring he can't do it but let me ask you something since when ever has a GL ability to perform feats been linked to which ring he has??

kyle's ring is DIFFERENT!! please tell me: if it CAN make copies, why doesn't EVERYONE have one!!??

And they could teleport out when they wanted to we drop the shield when we want to attack they arn't trapped Shaman can still use his magic inside the helemet they haven't shown why we can't. (since it is a sensory item in nature)

back to being in the helmet?? maybe you and bw should compare some notes, or something . . .? and the MAGIC effects would be blocked by the shield, like EVERYTHING is blocked by the shield . . . your team's PLANS are all over the map, and NONE of them are doing you any good!

Its a sad day when me and BW have posted scans showing everything we say we are doing and they keep putting there heads in the sand saying no it can't be true no it can't be true.

that bit ALMOST defies belief . . .

I love the part where nj says they have proven everything by scans. I especially like THESE scans:

The one that proves someone with magic below skyfather can manipulate juggs.
The one that proves they can attack OUT of juggs’ shield.
The one that proves what the lobotomizing dust can REALLY do.
The one that proves the unstoppable flypaper can catch and stop a PERSON in battle.

i can also add that i loved the scans that showed everyone the circumstances associated with the spells you are trying to use with shaman. those were really good too. the phobia one and the pacifying one . . . i suppose we should just, what? take you guys at your word . . .?

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Basically there best arguement is we can't attack but its as simple as dropping the shields then teleporting out. we've never changed our plans they are the same if you can tell me how we've changed it instead of saying it maybe someone would believe as it is we've shown where you've changed everything you've said over and over but where we haven't.

cool. then for 5 seconds or so (or maybe we need to wait for YOU GUYS -- you know, so shaman can . . . 'magic' the rings . . . 😆 ) you rail at our shields for nothing, we port out, in disguise, you are ALL BLASTED BY A BLINDING LIGHT AND STUNNED FROM AN ULTRASONIC ATTACK -- please don't forget that, people, and we already SHOWED WHAT ULTRASONICS CAN DO TO GL CONSTRUCTS and shaman would almost certainly be stunned, unshielded as he is -- then ss encases juggs in adamntium and ports him away, MAX shows shaman what a REAL mind rape is all about, and hal deals with kyle. if he doesn't finish the kid with his OWN 10 rings, ss and max help him.

we win.

using whatever mucked up, dysfunctional strategy you want to use. 😄

oh, and bw, you might want to spend LESS time dl'ing useless scans and MORE time communicating with your partner. seems the poor kid is a tad confused . . . 🙁

please do me a favor you two and instead of skimming through what we write READ. I mean seriously, do you enjoy IGNORING said facts and going backwards into a debate while again providing no real evidence of.....ANYTHING?

We have repeatadly stated:

(a) we are NOT using Clouding dust. Get that through your thick silver loving asses and realize that. Please stop referencing it. Its pathetic that you two continue to ignore that fact

(b)

that Juggernaut or Shaman could use a GL ring. When we used this tactic (I wonder where they got the idea) we laid out a logical method by which Hal's memories, expierence, training, and aspects of his personality that give him such a strong will would be passed on to our other team members. They have done no such thing. Currently, only people with extremely strong wills can use a ring unlike in pre-Crisis DC.

(c) We are NOT "stuck" in juggs shields. I think we dealt with that already but of course as per usual in this match you have yet to actually READ anything we say. Arrogance will only get you so far. Please stop insulting us by not reading what we have to say or you will only repeat countered statements that hold no worthwhile value. Or maybe you just like the sound that the keyboard makes when you type and you really don't have anything else to say? We cannot attack you while in the shields, but as refrenced by Dr. Strange using shields that ALSO derive from Cytorrak NEITHER CAN YOU. But we have already countered anything that you have to say about the matter have already set up our offensives

(d) Alan DUMPED his magic into jades ring. Please understand the scan before you criticize it.

(e) one of my fav:

More to the point the scan they used to once again "prove" that Alan can easily tear through a GL's shields/constructs is garbage.

(f)

That Kyle can create copies of his ring.

(g)

well, if a monumentally powerful magic source like the starheart (all the gathered magic of a universe!)can give sentinel magic gl power, then sure shaman can do it

(h)

more rings does NOT equate to more power. ask validus if you don't beileve us

(i)

MY scans are the rematch in #429!!

(j) Magical mind raping seems to be the hot subject of the matter. So when you show us that magical (tactical advantage that it is) mind raping isnt anything different than normal telepathy we can stop this. Please people they try to "defend" against our magic but they really HAVE no defense. (we have shown that Surfer cant fly and is vulnerable to magic)

(k) Shaman in the very same scan where he stopped flight stopped flight for a mile all around him. Youve seen the scan dude, stop complaining.

the phobia one and the pacifying one . . . i suppose we should just, what? take you guys at your word

(L) With 21 MAGICAL GL rings, PLUS telekinesis, supermans thought processes and reflexes, your team is gonna go down. How?
During prep we pre programmed the rings to shield us and fire upon anything going past Mach 1. That right there can and will shield us from anything you have and convert it into more magical power.
While your team is in the battle making gay love to Hals body (turning him from human to superhuman) your EXPENDING LOADS of energy. We can JAM your rings, teleport them off while magically mind f*cking you with all the magic that Shaman can muster through the GL ring and his infinite possibility giving pouch (which again the teleporting is not a physical act and if need be we just magically teleport your fingers off *like lobo got Jack T Chances ring* PLUS UNLIKE Kyles Ion "fixed" ring doesn't come back to them)
From there we surround you with a shield that a evil GL could not get out of and evil superman while trying for HOURS couldnt get out of (and the GL was asking the ring how to get out, unlike your weak and pathetic excuse for a scan with Hal finding a damn weak spot) thus converting all your efforts to get the hell out (as kyle did with a flipping ANGEL) into MAGICAL explosions that are INCOMPATIBLE with your physical makeup (creating a type of anti-all energy or matter) and on top of that we could transmute all the air into the very same incompatible energy. Thus even your movements would hurt you. Its all a HUGE boom of magical energy. Your energy output wouldnt even phase Kyle who has been able to hold the sun in his hands while its blowing up AND the next big bang. We can seperate Surfer from his board (and then guess what? he CANT fly) while he gets blown up by magical explosions. Juggs gets to hit him a few times and out goes your heavy hitter (hey if Ironman can do it so can him). Hal without a ring is gonna get his ass blown up and we can teleport him to deep space just for fun, and maxima is gonna be covered by mirrors, that coninuelly grow thus not letting her telekinisis help her (just as the roots did in the last battle Leo/Kahn won) And while your all dying by having the very air your in MAGICALLY imcompatible with your physical makeups we could simply encase you in a structure of pure order (which killed the last guy who tried to break free)....and while at that, we could just do this to your incapacitated team: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-21.jpg
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Look at the last recap we did. Seems to be almost identical doesn't it. Well here it is again:
Summary
With prep we:
created multiple rings for everyone/infused them with magic
pre programmed the ring to shield and fire at anything coming our way and/or going past Mach 1
and enhanced our humans.

During the battle we:
Mind raped them (while they were busy pleasuring themselves in the sun 🤨 )
jammed/teleported all of Hals rings while wrapping them in a non teleporting out shield
Sapped kinetic energy while converting it into magical explosions that are incompatible with their physiological makeup thus making them go BOOM! *just add the air got transmuted into that as well)
teleported hal into deep space/magically separated Surfer and the board/had Maxima get run over by mirrors all over the place while still kicking the crap outa the opposing team
Fast ball special Juggernaut at them (and since they are mind raped *passive AND scared they cant do shit)
and encased them in a structure of pure order IF they havent died yet

They judges have yet to prove that they could stop our magical mind meddling, our magical gl rings, or the magical energy suddenly being incompatible with their physical makeup. Also as in SS #12 Warlock Prime a magician far far far below Shaman created a potion that the SS drank which reduced him into a deep slumber. So if this hack's magic works on SS, Shaman's definetly will: so if we wanted to we could also make him go to sleep: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight71-04.jpg maybe some Dust from the Realm of Dreams can work: A powder-like substance taken from Shaman's Pouch that put multiple people instantly to sleep. It has been shown to be effective against Wild Child, Sebastian Shaw, and three Canadian soliders at once.

I think newjak put it best: Yeah you guys may be the Cosmic Caballeros but we have your magic tequila right here

Leo this just tells me how much you guys have nothing to go one. I'm sorry it seems as if me and BW have been changing our game plans alot(In reality we haven't we've just showed that it doesn't matter if you believe what they say or not we still beat them) but the fact is they are the ones who've got nothing to use. Their attack is failed they know it. They've got nothing else than but trying to take it to me and BW to take attention off the fact they have nothing.

How exactly is it Leo that all that stuff your trying to do is only going to take a few seconds again???? Oh wait you haven't you've got nothing to tell us you aren't doing a million things with Hal and Surfer before. thats right your not. Once again you haven't proved your guys are resistant to magic you've shown them going toe to toe and throwing around energy blasts not actually resisting spells. Heck BW showed one of SS being cut by a magical knife it seems he is not completely immune to magic right Leo (or a stupid sleeping drink). Face it you've given us nothing in terms of Magical immunity and thats what your failing to realize this isn't simple Mind Attacks these are magical mind attacks different so unless you can show where these guys minds are immune to magic you've got nothing.

Once again the point is even if we don't have Giant Juggs it makes no difference we still have shields and BW said the ring was reprogrammed to do the things we want it to so Juggs isn't doing anything.

Now we have Giant Juggs though and as such it as simple as dropping or teleporting out of the shields to do something that takes a few seconds to pull off while your guys are still tanning.

Once again me and BW haven't changed anything simply showed that it doesn't matter being in or out of the helmet is all.

The best part is you guys are trying to make it seem like we have the loosely backed plan and no proof. I have shown you Jugg's shield has a halting force. I have shown that Shaman doesn't need to see you just know your there and distance makes no difference. You've shown that Kyle can make rings just because it was a different does not change the fact he did it because last time I checked a GL's abilities aren't tied to the specific ring uses just that they have a ring to use. Basically the core of our plan is intact no matter which way you look at it.

What you haven't shown though is a scan of Hal making himself into Kryptonian. You haven't shown Silver Surfer making Adamantium. You haven't shown Hal binding rings to anyones fingers. Your showing that Surfer wouldn't exhaust himself making MASSIVE amounts of yellow sun radiation PLUS all the other bunches of crap you have

And the biggest is that none of you guys have shown a scan of any of your team being immune to magic. Basically even in your plan it takes a good time to take us down we don't have the same handicap we can take you down as soon as the match starts.

And you can scan us all you want all it means is that you guys have a first class viewing of your own demise because until you can prove half of what you say I'm inclined to tell the Judges once again You've got a whole lotta nothing to win this match for you while we have everything we need to win quite easily.

Judges for all their boasting about everything we've done they are worse then we are.

We have shown that for the most part we can do exactly what we said maybe a few glitches here and there but nothing big.

They on the other hand have almost completely changed the middle of their plan everytime. They went from engaging us close staying far away now they are scanning us. The key though is what good is scanning when it doesn't help you. They still can't beat us easily

SHAMAN ONLY NEEDS A FEW SECONDS TO USE HIS POWERS AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED US WITH. THEY IN NO WAY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY ARE BEATING US WITHIN A FEW SECONDS AND THEIR EXTENDED PREP TAKES ALOT LONGER THAN 10 SECONDS MORE LIKE 20 MINUTES.

There perhaps now people will understand what I'm saying a little better. Face it you guys are the ones with the flawed plan you have no way to counter anything we've done you know it so half of your posts have been trying to take away what we've done because you know you have no counter for it instead of showing how your beating us with them.

That is poor debating because in the end you haven't disproved anything we've done and now you've got to own up to the fact you have been sitting on a Rotten Egg this entire time.

Well luckily for us we can ignore most of the "facts" you and Newjak present as most of them are either made up or just incorrect. 😄

A. Good. I'm glad we finally convinced you that the idiotic dust attack wouldn't work, although I'm not sure I would have admitted that we beat you on that point to all the judges if I were you.

B. I know this might be a little confusing to you since you haven't been participating in the majority of the debate so I'll explain it to you simply. During the recent Green Lantern: Rebirth story-arc how the rings work for was changed. But let me refer to Geoff Johns in his interview with Wizard Magazine (issue #166 p.64) on how the rings now work.

This isn't the Silver Age anymore where anybody could put on a Green Lantern ring and get it to work. I remember an old comics where Hal and Guy take off their rings at a bar to go out back and fight and two hillbillies end up taking the rings and using them to destroy cars with giant green chainsaws and make six packs of beer and stuff. It doesn't work that way anymore. It can't work like that. This is an incredible weapon and it takes a hell of a lot to get it to work for you. We realize that Kyle, John, Guy, and Hal really have to have something special inside them... -Geoff Johns

We knew this coming into the fight which is why we were so meticulous in explaining just how we enable our other characters to use a GL ring. Unfortunately you didn't and as such there is no chance Shaman or Juggernaut could possibly use a GL ring.

C. Trying to change you plans again I see. That's ok though, as it isn't like you had that much of a choice. Trapping yourselves in Juggernaut's shield and helmet turned out to be a big mistake for your team as you ended up neutering your two most versatile characters. As soon as you drop you shields we teleport Juggy off the battle field and instantly have a 2 vs 3 advantage. Actually, now that I think about it you two never proved that Juggy's shield could stop teleportation attacks so there really isn't any reason we just teleport Juggy off the battle field at any time we want. It's your shield after all, if you want to say it can block a specific attack then you have to prove it.

D. Please actually read you own scans. You and Newjak have a bad habit of post scans and then exaggerating greatly what they actually show. All your scan showed was Jade telling Alan to release his energy, to let her use her ring to focus it, and then there is a flash of green light. That's all it showed. And thanks to all the misrepresentations and flat out lies that your team has told during this debate, nobody can really take your word.

E. Damn, is it really that hard to keep up with what you've said?
Anyway, here you go:

Originally posted by Blair Wind

while at the SAME time Shaman infuses all the rings with raw magical properties making it go through anything you have like butter (as Jade and Alan demonstrate)

But don't worry, I already proved that your entire theory that GL have problems with Alan's magic is 100% incorrect.

F. Then show one scan of him CREATING copies of his OWN ring. Really, it's the last day of the round and you still haven't done so. Hal has created literally dozens of rings before while you can't manage to find a single one of Kyle doing so. No matter how many times you say something is true, without any evidence to back it up nobody is going to buy it. But we all know that you can't ❌. Hence all the frustration but no scans.

G. Along with Shaman having Skyfather level magic power, right? Please, everyone can see for themselves how little you scan actually showed. We have no idea what happened after that page and you and Newjak have clearly shown you can't be trusted. Anyway there is no reason to believe that Shaman can release enough magic energy to do squat. The only revelent scan you've shown is one where Shaman was able to blow up a barn and much like your "tree destroying" globs that is nowhere near powerful enough to do anything to our team. The judges have to keep in mind that Jade and Alan both have intimate knowledge of both GL rings and the Starheart's power. Thus it may be possible for them to mesh them together in some form. However, Shaman and Kyle know next to nothing about the nature of each other's abilities and they havent' even proven that Kyle KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE JADE/ALAN FEAT. This is just a final desperate attempt to think of new tactic that they hope will save them. Sadly it just too little too late.

H. Doesn't really matter for us as we have proven we can make more rings while you can't. The best you could do is a sad cry that since Kyle is a GL he can do it. Too bad for you that this is directly contradicted by not only the story line where Kyle needs a copy of Hal's ring to rebuild the Corps but also the scans you yourselves used in the first "round 6" 😱

I. Leo was just pointing out where you two got something else wrong. Don't kill the messenger. You only have your own ignorance/dishonestly to blame. 😬

J. And just to be sure you plan on doing this magical "mind raping" with your Hulk calming light, right? That's just sad. We've shown our team can withstand the hightest level of telepathic attack and we've shown that Hal's shields (which all our team has) require Dr. Strange/Fate magic to get past them and all you can through at us is a "calming attack." Show a scan of Shaman actually MIND RAPING ANYONE before you go spewing out this garbage. As it is he is stuck behind Juggy's shield and telepathy blocking helmet.

K. What a minute here! 😱 You're basing your entire "mind raping" attack on a feat that you don't even have a scan of??? That's not only pathetic but horrible debating. You actually need King Mungi to come in and help you out? 😆 So we've disproven you dust attack, and you don't even have a scan of the "Hulk calming light." Damn, you guys can't prove anything, can you? Oh, and as I've proven our entire team can pull out other people's phobias. Once again, anything you can do we can do much better.

L. Your team is still stuck behind Juggy's helmet and shield, we can easily teleport Juggy off the battle field, the unprotected Shaman is killed in an instant by an acid bath, a physical attack, or an energy attack by any one of our team members, and Kyle is vastly outmatched and out numbered.

Once again, ALAN ISN'T ON YOUR TEAM. You guys have a really hard time actually using the powers and characters you have to win a fight, don't you? Shaman doesn't have Alan's powerset and it is idiotic to assume he can grant Kyle Alan's powers. As for our sundipping our Kyrptonian Hal, it is easily accomplished by our team. Hell, Hal could likely do it himself thanks to his premanently attached 10 rings but no sense in not having the Surfer help out a little. Regardless, that simple act isn't going to interfer with our monitoring of your team. Also just as you seem not to understand this, every member of our team has a GL ring in addition to their own powers. Taking away the Surfer's board won't do anything as he can use his ring to fly or just create another one.
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Honestly we gave the Surfer a GL ring at the start of the fight. You really haven't been keeping up have you? 😕

As for the scans of Shaman using his "Baubles" I believe that that very attack was both discussed during the draft and banned. IIRC it was stated by either you or Newjak stated that you wouldn't use such an attack anyway as it is clearly illegal (although I'm not 100% sure who said that). Blinking the universe out of existance along with your now abandoned black hole attack are both banned.

Their Prep
"With prep we:
-created multiple rings for everyone/infused them with magic
-pre programmed the ring to shield and fire at anything coming our -way and/or going past Mach 1
-and enhanced our humans. "
"Seems to be almost identical doesn't it."

😆 Every single thing he just mentioned is brand new and NOT included in their origional prep plan. They had to complelty change their tactics. Judges I beg you to go look at their first prep plan and see if you can find any of that in it! IT'S NOT THERE!

As for their "attack":
-Alan can jam GL rings not anybody on their team (unless I missed where they gave Kyle Alan's powers... )
-They can't sap anybody's kinetic energy and not only is the unprotect Shaman almost instatly killed but the Juggernaut his teleported off the battle field. Again our team is much faster and we've made sure to keep our distance so we can them apart at our leasure.
-The Surfer, Hal, and Maxima are all GLs so there isn't any chance of the being teleported off the battle field, confused by mirrors, or the Surfer being hampered by loseing a board he can just recreate.
-As for there sleeping dust, again Shaman is trapped behind Juggy's shield and helmet and we can easily take out his unprotected ass out from a distance as we have already discribed. He'll never get close enough to use it. Just add it to their other pathetic attacks they are desperate to use.

Hey don't mention my name in this as I recall both factions have asked for my advice.

you guys are seriously unbelieveable.

So waitaminute your saying Pre Crisis feats are crap

you failed reading comp in school, eh? actually, he said SINCE crisis, it requires a STRONG WILL to use the ring. how does that translate to pre-c feats are crap . . .? 😕

KYLES DONE IT MORE THAN HAL.

THEN PROVE IT!! stop talking and STARTING SHOWING!!

DUDE! cuz, you keep SAYING it, but you ain't SHOWED jacksh!t. the corps could REALLY use copies of that ring . . . 😗

where thor stopped some of his power?

😑 i SAID thor nullified his shield. the scans i showed you are BEFORE the nullification, and AFTER. what more do you need? juggs SAYS his forcefield is up and it DOES NOT WORK LIKE YOU SAY IT DOES!! it never has except in that 1/10000 scan. if i'm not mistaken that's about the same chances spidey had of beating firelord . . .

As we have ALREADY stated, Shaman can infuse magic into the rings

so he reaches into his bag, pulls out a handful of . . . magic . . .? and packs it into the ring just like that? oohhhhhh . . . then OF COURSE he can tamper with the rings. i keep forgetting he's a skyfather. could even a skyfather tamper with the rings?

Ask him yourself. He was the one who said so in the tournament draft threads.

i have a PM from him that says different . . .

Please people they try to "defend" against our magic but they really HAVE no defense. (we have shown that Surfer cant fly and is vulnerable to magic)

so you showed a false scan and have a scan of a knife stabbing him. what about SPELLS affecting him? you claim he is SOOOOO vulnerable to them. where's the scans to show it? i have showed him beating MEPHISTO IN HELL, stalemating loki and showed a scan where strange himself ADMITS ss is more powerful than he is!! i showed him EASILY breaking agatha harkness's shield (which doesn't bode well for shaman -- not that he was shielded anyway, but if he WAS magically shielded ss could blast right THROUGH his little magic shield . . . IF max hasn't killed him first!) we showed a scan that had DR FATE working WITH someone to break out of a gl shield! and our shield is STRONGER than his because we have TWO sources of willpower reinforcing it AND the pc and TP energy. what exactly did we fail to prove again . . .?

you in the meantime keep SAYING his 'spells' are different from all this other magic our shields and power have been shown to overcome. where is the proof shaman can overcome OUR shields!!) we've proven our power can stop magic. prove shaman can get through the shields . . .

for once.

(k) Shaman in the very same scan where he stopped flight stopped flight for a mile all around him. Youve seen the scan dude, stop complaining.

not that it would work through our shields (where we are . . . standing, anyway . . .) but you are grounded too. his spell DID stop birds and bugs and EVERYTHING. so unless he willed all the birds and bugs to stop, it affected EVERYTHING, regardless of his control of OTHER spells . . .

Ask mungi about the pacifying one I don't have it on me. I do know however that it pacified the HULK and it says so on every alpha flight page you go to. Here is the phobia one: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...Flight12-27.jpg

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and THAT IS WHY i ask for scans, judges. first one he doesn't even HAVE a scan of. and the second one . . .

1. where does it say it brings out her 'fears'?
2. on the PRECEDING page, shaman ADMITS he cannot harm her body
3. lil DOES NOT have anywhere NEAR the wills or minds that we have, nor is she shielded against . . . well, everything! like some 'mist' would waft through our shields . . .
4. that 'powerful spell' affected ONE person!! and did i fail to ask -- WHERE DOES IT SAY IT CAUSES PHOBIAS!!?? one MORE false claim. wich i would have been keeping count from the start of false claims and illegal tactics . . .

(L) With 21 MAGICAL GL rings, PLUS telekinesis, supermans thought processes and reflexes, your team is gonna go down. How?
During prep we pre programmed the rings to shield us and fire upon anything going past Mach 1. That right there can and will shield us from anything you have and convert it into more magical power.

this is PRICELESS . . . that was BW above. here is newjack in the very next post . . .

I'm sorry it seems as if me and BW have been changing our game plans alot(In reality we haven't

no, you've hardly changed anything! BWHAHAHAH!! with 2 left in the debate you tell everyone you are changing what you do in PREP!! ROTFLMAO!!!! are you kidding?? and you tell US we are changing our plans?? how is ANYONE supposed to know what you're doing!? cool, so we change our prep too -- we give everyone ten rings, we share memories, we put up our shields, we pre-program the ring to create constrictors on ALL OF YOU the first FEMTO SECOND into the fight!! and we make sure all THREE of us are focussing on the constrictors with our . . . THIRTY RINGS!! no need for shields, no need for sundipping, no need for anything.

yee-haw!! we win AGAIN!!

During prep we pre programmed the rings to shield us and fire upon anything going past Mach 1. That right there can and will shield us from anything you have and convert it into more magical power.

the rest fo this is reliant upon:

(a) kyle's making copies -- UNPROVEN
(b) shaman's ( 😆 ) 'ability to almost instantaneously tamper with the rings to make them . . . 'magical' . . .
(c) the fact that they are NOT in constrictors a femto second into the fight. see, anyone can play this 'go back to the start because we know what they will do and change our strategy' game. not very cool though. and if we REALLY wanted, we could always say that ss just KNOWS with his ability to SEE INTO THE FUTURE, what you guys are gonna do . . .

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While your team is in the battle making gay love to Hals body

desperate AND beneath you. ALMOST as desperate as the rest of that jumbled paragraph where you throw in every attack in the respect thread and say it is better now because your ring is magical . . . it's not worth refuting that crammed, jumbled mass of attacks. they have no proof kyle can make copies and LESS proof shaman can make the rings magic.

WE HAVE MORE PROOF THAT SS COULD IMBUE THE PC INTO EACH RING!! after all, he DID SYNTHESIZE TEH ODINPOWER!! (yeah, we have NO PROOF ss can handle magic . . . 🙄 ) that would make OUR gl rings even MORE powerful!!

gl + ss = RETARDEDLY powerful, and likely as close to thanos as any character in this tourny can get. you think all shaman's little spells would affect thanos?? and don't forget, in a battle of will, when strange banished both ss AND thanos to a diferent dimension where their regualr powers didn't work the same . . . SS BEAT THANOS!!

Also as in SS #12 Warlock Prime a magician far far far below Shaman created a potion that the SS drank which reduced him into a deep slumber.

stop quoting fan sites. SHOW A $%$#@! SCAN of something. we've seen time and time again that your 'word' is meaningless. hell, even most of your SCANS are useless, misinterpretted or flat out DECEPTIVE!!

How exactly is it Leo that all that stuff your trying to do is only going to take a few seconds again????

how long does it take to make ANY construct, again . . .? HOW fast is ss and his reaction speed?? ss could do a HUNDRED more things if we want him to! not sure if you're waare -- he's pretty fast . . .

here's a response to EACH of their 'never-changing' strategies . . .

(1) if they STAY inside giant juggs they can't attack. we sense his ludicrous shield (heheh, note how they've suddenly stopped arguing that it acts like FLYPAPER . . .) we get well away from them, constrictor, adamantium. SCREWED.

(2) if they drop the shield and port out, our shields hold for the seconds it takes for us to port out and take them out. recall PLEASE that THE ULTRASONICS AND FLASH ONLY NEEDS TO STUN KYLE AND SHAMAN AND JUGGS FOR AN INSTANT for them to lose concentration and drop any shields. see the FIRST POST for the effects of sonics on gl constructs, and everyone knows what nimrod did to juggs . . .) they have a BRICK against the SILVER SURFER WITH A RING!! the fight INSTANTLY becomes 3 - 2.

things they have NOT proven no matter HOW MUCH they claim they have:

kyles ring can make copies
spells work 'different' than any other magic
shaman can tamper with a ring, OR manipulate juggs (i love too the notion that not only CAN shaman make the rings magical, he can do it INSTANTLY!! 😆 )

we have proven EVERY FACET OF OUR ATTACKS! EVERY ONE! they have lies repeatedly, been seen to show false and misleading scans, get their facts all confused and generally to not even be on the same PAGE with each other, going so far as to CHANGE THEIR PREP!!

i really don't see how they expect to win when so many major parts of their 'plans' are unproven assumptions without having been LOGICALLY derived from previous feats . . .

Alright, firstly i would like to apologize if i am not giving each team enough time to fully debate. I have to get offline very soon. So both teams have really fought hard. I will be judging in favor of The L.O.C.O.s. I have Pmed my reasoning to the other judges and digi because i don't want it to effect the rest of the debaters fight. Good luck to you both.

you should have waited til tomorrow or the next day to vote as we have not finished yet . . .

and i'll look forward to the reasoning . . .

oh NON OFFICIAL post . . . 😄

[ B]Well luckily for us we can ignore most of the "facts" you and Newjak present as most of them are either made up or just incorrect. 😄[/B][ /QUOTE] Ok I'm getting a little tired of this. You are the ones who haven't shown how you are beating us. You are the ones with the little to no proof that you guys are even doing half of what you say.

[quote]A. Good. I'm glad we finally convinced you that the idiotic dust attack wouldn't work, although I'm not sure I would have admitted that we beat you on that point to all the judges if I were you.

B. I know this might be a little confusing to you since you haven't been participating in the majority of the debate so I'll explain it to you simply. During the recent Green Lantern: Rebirth story-arc how the rings work for was changed. But let me refer to Geoff Johns in his interview with Wizard Magazine (issue #166 p.64) on how the rings now work.

This isn't the Silver Age anymore where anybody could put on a Green Lantern ring and get it to work. I remember an old comics where Hal and Guy take off their rings at a bar to go out back and fight and two hillbillies end up taking the rings and using them to destroy cars with giant green chainsaws and make six packs of beer and stuff. It doesn't work that way anymore. It can't work like that. This is an incredible weapon and it takes a hell of a lot to get it to work for you. We realize that Kyle, John, Guy, and Hal really have to have something special inside them... -Geoff Johns

We knew this coming into the fight which is why we were so meticulous in explaining just how we enable our other characters to use a GL ring. Unfortunately you didn't and as such there is no chance Shaman or Juggernaut could possibly use a GL ring.

C. Trying to change you plans again I see. That's ok though, as it isn't like you had that much of a choice. Trapping yourselves in Juggernaut's shield and helmet turned out to be a big mistake for your team as you ended up neutering your two most versatile characters. As soon as you drop you shields we teleport Juggy off the battle field and instantly have a 2 vs 3 advantage. Actually, now that I think about it you two never proved that Juggy's shield could stop teleportation attacks so there really isn't any reason we just teleport Juggy off the battle field at any time we want. It's your shield after all, if you want to say it can block a specific attack then you have to prove it.

B) Drop it as soon as we have all our things ready and have Shaman do his spell as we're dropping the shield mind raping you still.

So now we're back to how to block teleportation once again prove your shields are blocking Magical attacks especailly since you never talked about any of your sheilds blocking magic in your prep. You love to try and Double Standard us don't you not this time Proof is in the pudding you've got to show it. Besides you never talked about teleporting Cain in the begining anyways until after all your prep is done. And considering that the shield and his powers derive from CYTORRAK (and Strange seems to think his shields are pretty damn cool), none of your powers would go through, and teleporting him wouldnt work (and youd have to get yourself past our forcefield that converts all your energy and transforms it to magical enhanced explosions

F. Then show one scan of him CREATING copies of his OWN ring. Really, it's the last day of the round and you still haven't done so. Hal has created literally dozens of rings before while you can't manage to find a single one of Kyle doing so. No matter how many times you say something is true, without any evidence to back it up nobody is going to buy it. But we all know that you can't ❌. Hence all the frustration but no scans.

G. Anyway there is no reason to believe that Shaman can release enough magic energy to do squat.

H. Doesn't really matter for us as we have proven we can make more rings while you can't.

I. Leo was just pointing out where you two got something else wrong. Don't kill the messenger. You only have your own ignorance/dishonestly to blame. 😬

J. And just to be sure you plan on .

K. What a minute here! 😱 You're basing your entire "mind raping" attack on a feat that you don't even have a scan of??? You actually need King Mungi to come in and help you out? [/qoute]
Again we shown a scan for the fear Phobia but we do have the the stone calming the hulk it is in his bio. You may be able to do it but then again Shaman is safe from your guys attacks on the mind and you guys can't say the same thing. Also about King Mungi coming in to help didn't you guys try that one already last match Khan stop contradicting yourself guys it is disturbing. 😎 Plus it would be a natural extention of his powers to mind f*ck you

[quote]L. Your team is still stuck behind Juggy's helmet and shield, we can easily teleport Juggy off the battle field, the unprotected Shaman is killed in an instant by an acid bath, a physical attack, or an energy attack by any one of our team members, and Kyle is vastly outmatched and out numbered.

and if we REALLY wanted, we could always say that ss just KNOWS with his ability to SEE INTO THE FUTURE, what you guys are gonna do . . .

I don't even have to reply to the rest of your post there because basically it is the same "BUT SILVER SURFER AND EVERYONE HAS A GL RING SO THEY ARE UNSTOPPABLE HAHAHA.................WHAT YOU WANT A SCAN OF US BEING IMMUNE TO MAGIC NO SIR WHY WELL WELL BECAUSE ALL YOUR ATTACKS SUCK THATS WHY"

How does this matter in any way? IF we were behind juggs shield you would NOT be able to harm us in any way. However IF we could not have made Juggs bigger we changed our plans into another "time line"
Magical Rings, Amped humans (which kyle HAS done, its not something hal would think of hes too arogant), mind raping, a shield that STILL traps you so long as your close to him. Kyle can absorb all the energy, with Shaman, and again convert it to something to use against you. As shaman has shown he can make the energy incompatible with anything he damn well pleases.

Your gl rings come off. Ours dont. Our gl rings have magic. Yours dont. We magically mind rape you. You have no defense. We absorb and convert all your energy to more magical explosions. You cant handle it. Our thought processes are all on the same level. You spend 20 minutes continually prepping Hal. We MAGICALLY mind rape you.

So good night folks have fun the lost they know it and I'm off to bed becuase I'm not very scared right now.