Battle #6 - The Redux

Originally posted by newjak86

Ok I'm getting a little tired of this. You are the ones who haven't shown how you are beating us. You are the ones with the little to no proof that you guys are even doing half of what you say.

Of course you are. Getting beat is never pleasant. ❌
Please we've shown several ways we can beat your team no matter which plan you use. Besides the instant win with the adamantium encasement and Constrictor, any of our character can teleport Juggy off the battle field with their GL rings
(here is Hal teleporting Barry Allen http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/101bed38.jpg ), the unprotected Shaman get killed by an acid bath or a physical/energy attack from anyone of our team, and Kyle get's overwhelmed by a sundipped Kryptonian Hal with muliptle rings as well as the other members of our team. Your just out mattched and out powered.

Originally posted by newjak86

This isnt admitting anything it is showing you that there is more than one way to skin a cat 😉 Plus considering we have Shaman who controls a pouch that can pull out ANYTHING it damn well pleases in terms of magic we can mind f*ck you anyway we want:
Fears
Seeing things that arnt there
Dull your mind
Pacify you
Make you fall alseep with some dust from the REALM OF DREAMS (and ha! a magician that was crap compared to Shaman made him fall asleep)
Ignite all pain receptros in your mind.
Play with your emotions (make you depressed, low, sick, ect ect)
And the best part is? Its all done MAGICALLY in a logical extention of his powers *You yourselves were the ones that asked if we could use logical extentions to our characters powers....now it only applies to you?? 🙄

BS and we all know it. You two have had to abondon nearly every tactic you started with as we have disproved them.

Notice again there is just Newjak running his mouth about what Shaman could[/b] do but doesn't show one damn scan to back it up. We've shown our shileds taking on Dr. Fate-level magic and they think Shaman's dust can affect us when we never even have to get close to him to kill him.

[i]Originally posted by newjak86

Its good thing alot of it was preprogrammed into the rings but anyways thanks for admitting that we do have rings. Also if precrisis is crap wouldnt that make ALL precrisis crap 😱 You cant show Hal making rings and then say well...if he could do it then he can do it now when we all know the rings where different then.

You HAVEN"T PROVEN ONCE THAT KYLE CAN MAKE RINGS. Are you really having that much trouble keeping up? You two have been saying that from the start but haven't backed it up once. It's just another example of you piss poor debating skills.

And just so you know Hal's ring can make copies post-Crisis. You posted scans of Kyle using his ring to create extra rings in the first "round 6". Check out GL #100 on for reference.

Originally posted by newjak86

So now you know exactly when we're dropping our shields to do things. Basically we can
A) Drop it before your done with your 20 minutes of prep Mindraping you before your ever finished.

B) Drop it as soon as we have all our things ready and have Shaman do his spell as we're dropping the shield mind raping you still.

So now we're back to how to block teleportation once again prove your shields are blocking Magical attacks especailly since you never talked about any of your sheilds blocking magic in your prep. You love to try and Double Standard us don't you not this time Proof is in the pudding you've got to show it. Besides you never talked about teleporting Cain in the begining anyways until after all your prep is done. And considering that the shield and his powers derive from CYTORRAK (and Strange seems to think his shields are pretty damn cool), none of your powers would go through, and teleporting him wouldnt work (and youd have to get yourself past our forcefield that converts all your energy and transforms it to magical enhanced explosions

The idioticy is staggering. Face it, Shaman's telepathic abilities are pathetic and we have some of the best telepathic defenses allowable in the tourney. Our prep takes only seconds and we've shown that Hal's shields can take on Dr. Fate's magic attacks and that Allen Scott couldn't get past them. You haven't even shown a single scan of Shaman controling anyone telepathically, much less mind raping a gerbil.

Originally posted by newjak86

Once again when does a GL's abilities revolve around a particular Ring last time I checked it depends upon the wearer. And if Kyle could do it once he can do it again.

Well I have to say you know shit about Green Lantern. Kyle's ring was made differently than the standard GL ring as everybody knows. Actually look up the facts before you make a ignroant ass of yourself.

Originally posted by newjak86

Shaman has the power to do ANYTHING contained in his pouch (which funnily enough contains....everything.) His pouch could suck up the world if turned upside down...the madness would make you lose your sanity just by looking in it (just like what happened to Smart Alec) So your saying he doesnt have the mojo to infuse the ring (which he could just ask to help him if he wanted to) with some magic to reinforce the deal? Pfffffffffffft the hopeful cries of losing men.

My ass. Where exactly did you prove that Shaman as nearly unlimited power in his pouch? That's right you didn't . You talked a lot of shit about Shaman's powers but hardely ever backed them up. This is a debate and after all the lies you've told in this round nobody is going to take you word for anything.

Originally posted by newjak86

Already addressed Faulty Logic Yadda Yadda Yadda. IF you believe this your wow.....just wow

Good retort.

Originally posted by newjak86

Ok shut the hell up we made an editting mistake about the Nimrod incident I already addressed and apologized for it. You want to call us liers and dishonest we're not the ones trying to hide behind worthless posts about how we are messing up just to hide the fact we have nothing that works and no defence against anything 🙄

BS. How exactly do you accidently edit a QUOTE??? And you just happened to edit it to perfectly suit you purposes...

Originally posted by newjak86

Yeah you've shown us that your guys are very resistant to Telepathy good thing we aren't aren't using telepathy we are mind raping you with MAGIC. Heck we've already shown the mind affecting powder (and I KNOW there is a scan of Shaman telling someone that the powder was a phobia powder) but if you dont believe us (which you seldom do 🙄 it still effected her mind).

Magic attacks that will never reach us, from a character we can kill at a distance, and magic attacks our GL rings can easily dealt with as admitted by your own partner. And as I've shown our entire team can copy the phobia trick.

Originally posted by newjak86

Khan stop contradicting yourself guys it is disturbing. 😎 Plus it would be a natural extention of his powers to mind f*ck you

Translation: again we can't prove jack shit.

Originally posted by newjak86

Apprantly nothing we say sticks in your head right?

another good response.

Originally posted by newjak86

what? you show him looking into the past and that equates to the future? plus time powers are banned

And skyfather magic isn't?

Originally posted by newjak86

I don't even have to reply to the rest of your post there because basically it is the same "BUT SILVER SURFER AND EVERYONE HAS A GL RING SO THEY ARE UNSTOPPABLE HAHAHA.................WHAT YOU WANT A SCAN OF US BEING [b]IMMUNE TO MAGIC NO SIR WHY WELL WELL BECAUSE ALL YOUR ATTACKS SUCK THATS WHY"

How does this matter in any way? IF we were behind juggs shield you would NOT be able to harm us in any way. However IF we could not have made Juggs bigger we changed our plans into another "time line"
Magical Rings, Amped humans (which kyle HAS done, its not something hal would think of hes too arogant), mind raping, a shield that STILL traps you so long as your close to him. Kyle can absorb all the energy, with Shaman, and again convert it to something to use against you. As shaman has shown he can make the energy incompatible with anything he damn well pleases.

Your gl rings come off. Ours dont. Our gl rings have magic. Yours dont. We magically mind rape you. You have no defense. We absorb and convert all your energy to more magical explosions. You cant handle it. Our thought processes are all on the same level. You spend 20 minutes continually prepping Hal. We MAGICALLY mind rape you.

So good night folks have fun the lost they know it and I'm off to bed becuase I'm not very scared right now. [/B]

Their debating skill are terrible, they've contridicted each other mulitple times, and they've had to compelety redo their entire strategy after we tore their first one to shreads. All you got from them was a lot of hot air, dishonest quotes, and conjecture.

in closing, a couple reasons why we think we have (hopefully) earned your vote: (well, except for dwarf . . . 😬 )

1. we had a solid opening strategy from the start (shows in that they actually eventually were FORCED to copy parts of it, and were FORCED to change tactics again and again, going so far as to change their PREP 2 hours before the end of the debate!) our strategy allowed for easy, REALISTIC flexibility and basically allowed us the chance to counter whatever they did.

2. regardless of what they WANT you to think, the entire prep time at the start of the battle took literally seconds. gl rings DO operate pretty quickly, as does ss. nor of course do the rings 'get exhausted' . . . 😆

3. we answered every one of their strategies. if they stay in the helmet they get adamantium and a constrictor, while making their characters useless. if they come into the fight in the helmet then drop the shield and attack, our shields are MORE than strong enough to hold until we port out and make the fight instantly 3 - 2. i seriously don't know WHAT juggs is doing in a battle of this magnitude against guys who have so much versatility and speed . . . ❌ if they just barge in (easy to say AFTER they know our strategy . . .) our shields STILL hold and we port out and deal with them.

4. i can't say this one clearly enough:

ALL their 'plans' have revolved around utterly UNSUPPORTED feats. manipulating juggs (which they bailed on). making juggs into a walking piece of flypaper whose shield ALSO acts as the crimson bands (which they bailed on), using attacks that have never been shown (which they bailed on). tampering with a ring. making COPIES of the one-of-a-kind-ring kyle uses. trying to say JUGGS could use a ring because he . . . dug himself out? 😑 they don't even have anyway to show that 'spells' are some 'different' from the high level magic that we have ALREADY countered and dealt with.

EVERYTIME we called them on their BS they eventually relented and went on to something new. now though, they are OUT of time and have no way to dig up OTHER 'plans'.

5. we have proven EVERY part of our offense and defense WITH SCANS, NOT ASSUMPTIONS. they relied SOLELY on magic, assumed we were 'weak' against it. we have SHOWED you REPEATED scans that back up our claim that magic WOULD be stopped. ss's pc ALONE (forget the fact that it is AMPED by GL ENERGY!) has been synthesized with the odinpower, stalemated loki, beaten mephisto in hell, broken agatha harkness's shields effortlessly . . . and in any event -- they failed to show ANY of their 'magic' attacks. oops, the one they DID show didn't even do what they kept SAYING it would! no scan of the 'calming' light, no scan of the mind dust, no scan saying a spell invokes ones deepest fears!! we on the other hand have SHOWN that our minds and wills are ENORMOUSLY resistant, and that even UBER levels of magic CAN be blocked and overcome. on top of that -- they would only need to be blocked for SECONDS, before we port out and end things. ss ports juggs, max makes a construct to AMPLIFY her tp and takes out shaman who WITHOUT a ring (and no personal shield) would die almost instantly and WITH a ring is NOT as experienced as max. and anyway her tp is AMPED through her construct and would batter through his less-expereinced gl shield. hal could match construct for construct with kyle and it would only take moments for it to be 3 on 1 for us. (and btw, ROOKIE HAL HAS BATTLED EXTREMELY WELL AGAINST PARALLAX TOO . . . in fact parallax actually had to use SURPRISE to beat him . . . it's in the respect thread if anyone is interested . . .) hell, we even SHOWED you how hard rings are to use (which is why we were so careful about ensuring we had experience and control of them). green arrow could do little more than MAKE an arrow! but juggs can miraculously make a shield AND fly??!

6. no matter how much they claim we have changed our tactics and they have not . . .

it is PAINFULLY obvious who the team on the defensive has been this ENTIRE fight!! they DID change tactics, REPEATEDLY, ending at last by changing prep -- wish we would have known in advance you could change your prep AFTER you saw the other team's plans . . . 🙄 and yet BW had the BALLZ to say WE WERE COMMITTED TO OUR ATTACK STRATEGY!!! they know we countered everything, so continued to confusingly (and apparently WITHOUT their partners knowledge) CHANGE their plans. look at our first post. we made a SINGLE alteration from that, answering their now-defunct hide inside juggs plan . . . other than that, we have STOOD PAT THE WHOLE FIGHT. (well, except where i changed our prep after they did to encase them all in constrictors reinforced by all three of our wills 1 femto second into the fight . . . 😖hifty: ) the fact alone that THEY were constantly changing to OUR attacks tells you who dictated things in this fight the whole way.

7. they lied numerous time, mislead several times, were flat out WRONG a bunch of times and tried to repeatedly use/try to use illegal or bannable tactics.

8. they waited until the LAST day to lay all their alterations on us because that way everything would be rushed and they could perhaps avoid having all their BS called. this way they won't 'have time' to produce proof of their claims. pretty sneaky . . .

9. as a team, they did NOT operate well, seeming to be on different pages many times, going so far as to argue different attacks in subsequent posts! their strategies were presented in a helter-skelter manner, as they reached for every feat in every respect thread then extrapolated from said feats in inappropriate ways. very chaotic debating by them, making it difficult to figure out just WHICH strategy they were employing.

so, for all the reasons above, i believe we have earned your vote. regardless, this was one HELLUVA busy day. we have about 3 minutes left in this debate and we appreciate you guys trying to keep up with it. 😉

sombrero2

To simplify for the judges we have a summary of what we have done

Summary
With prep we:
created multiple rings for everyone/infused them with magic
pre programmed the ring to shield and fire at anything coming our way and/or going past Mach 1
and enhanced our humans with telekinisis and Superman base level bodies
(and you can insert a giant juggs based on wheather you believe it can be done or not)

During the battle we:
Mind raped them (while they were busy pleasuring themselves in the sun 🤨 )
jammed/teleported all of Hals rings while wrapping the team in a non teleporting out shield (which Kyle has done before)
Sapped kinetic energy while converting it into magical explosions that are incompatible with their physiological makeup thus making them go BOOM! *just add the air got transmuted into that as well)
teleported hal into deep space/magically separated Surfer and the board/had Maxima get run over by mirrors all over the place while still kicking the crap outa the opposing team
Fast ball special Juggernaut at them (and since they are mind raped *passive AND scared and another other magically mind trick you can think of they cant do shit)
and encased them in a structure of pure order IF they havent died yet.

They judges have yet to prove that they could stop our magical mind meddling, our magical gl rings, or the magical energy suddenly being incompatible with their physical makeup. Any energy they throw at us gets absorbed and used to enhance us physically, and we can crush them with anything we want

BW just forgot to mention where they proved Shaman was capable of any of that 🙄

and mach 1? who cares. we TELEPORT . . .

😆

Originally posted by TheKahn
BW just forgot to mention where they proved Shaman was capable of any of that 🙄

Anyways it is as of now
1-1
The C.C.s have the Poll Vote

The L.O.C.O.s have 1 judges vote

well debatings done and I wasnt able to get these scans in time to use them in the debate:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight27-12.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight27-13.jpg

Good luck to all! 😄

so, . . . no one should open them then . . .

oh, in case more votes come in -- at 12:00 it was 32-28 in our favor. thanks to those who voted.

🙂

Originally posted by Blair Wind
well debatings done and I wasnt able to get these scans in time to use them in the debate:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight27-12.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight27-13.jpg

Good luck to all! 😄

Then why post them now? 🤨

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, in case more votes come in -- at 12:00 it was 32-28 in our favor. thanks to those who voted.

🙂

we'll see . . .

so who wants some icecream?

Originally posted by leonidas
we'll see . . .

really? is that why "you went to bed . . ."?

😆

Originally posted by leonidas
really? is that why "you went to bed . . ."?

😆

But yeah you guys nervous at all.

Sad...

......whats sad?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Sad...

Originally posted by newjak86
At the time I was but then I was like screw it I'm gonna see if anyother judges Vote(coughVALIDUScough).

But yeah you guys nervous at all.

actually, i had fun debating today amd think we did well enough to win. if we don't, thats cool because i'm satisfied.