I kinda enjoy the fact that Marvel doesn't have a set trio on top....
It kinda gives other characters a chance for the shine. As long as they pull in the dough.
Look at Wolverine.
DC will always maintain the top spot for WW, Superman and Batman.
It severely limits the shine others get, since they won't allow the three above to be consistently outdone.
No matter if the other characters are seen as more interesting.
I see DC as the republicans comic structure, and Marvel as the liberals choice.
Probably nothing new.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I kinda enjoy the fact that Marvel doesn't have a set trio on top....
It kinda gives other characters a chance for the shine. As long as they pull in the dough.
Look at Wolverine.
DC will always maintain the top spot for WW, Superman and Batman.
It severely limits the shine others get, since they won't allow the three above to be consistently outdone.
No matter if the other characters are seen as more interesting.
I see DC as the republicans comic structure, and Marvel as the liberals choice.
Probably nothing new.
They don't have a "Trinity" per say. DC relies on not on popularity but notoriety. Wonder Woman isn't nearly as "popular" as Batman but she's nearly as recognizable.
Marvel doesn't go the "liberal" approach. They go: "Geez! This character rakes in a ton of dough, let's put him on every goddamn cover!" They take the consumerist approach while DC takes the traditional symbolist approach.
Wolverine is a perfect example of Marvel's marketing strategy. EVERY goddamn crossover involves him somehow as integral....
Originally posted by Draco69
They don't have a "Trinity" per say. DC relies on not on popularity but notoriety. Wonder Woman isn't nearly as "popular" as Batman but she's nearly as recognizable.Marvel doesn't go the "liberal" approach. They go: "Geez! This character rakes in a ton of dough, let's put him on every goddamn cover!" They take the consumerist approach while DC takes the traditional symbolist approach.
Wolverine is a perfect example of Marvel's marketing strategy. EVERY goddamn crossover involves him somehow as integral....
True...
if there was one though, imo it'd be Hulk, Spidey and Cap/ Logan...
Originally posted by Draco69Wolverine is a perfect example of Marvel's marketing strategy. EVERY goddamn crossover involves him somehow as integral....
To be honest, every major event of DC has Superman in a major position...like Infinite Crisis...
Whereas I am pretty damn sure Wolverine won't be the focus of Civil War... 😉
Anyway, Superman sells. DC features him a lot. Same with Wolverine. Superman has a long history, and symbolic meanings, and he is not a badass character in the same way then Wolverine is, but I would bet my ass that DC has the same marketing policy with him and Batman.
Only difference is that when Superman fights another major character, they are not dumbed down...
When Batman and Wolverine fight someone, they usually fight like retarded geriatric people on crack..."My god, explosive Batarang! Nevermind that I can stand near the Sun and laugh at it, BATARANG HURTS!" "It's Wolverine! He's the best at what he does! I...can't dodge...argh!"
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
To be honest, every major event of DC has Superman in a major position...like Infinite Crisis...Whereas I am pretty damn sure Wolverine won't be the focus of Civil War... 😉
Anyway, Superman sells. DC features him a lot. Same with Wolverine. Superman has a long history, and symbolic meanings, and he is not a badass character in the same way then Wolverine is, but I would bet my ass that DC has the same marketing policy with him and Batman.
Only difference is that when Superman fights another major character, they are not dumbed down...
When Batman and Wolverine fight someone, they usually fight like retarded geriatric people on crack..."My god, explosive Batarang! Nevermind that I can stand near the Sun and laugh at it, BATARANG HURTS!" "It's Wolverine! He's the best at what he does! I...can't dodge...argh!"
But that is the difference imo...
when there's a big crisis, superman is one of the only people aquipped to deal with it...
the same is not true for logan...
Originally posted by pr1983But in the House of M, for example, he did not deal with the crisis himself...he was just featured for the most of the time, like Superman. They both are big sellers of the company and have lot of focus on them.
But that is the difference imo...when there's a big crisis, superman is one of the only people aquipped to deal with it...
the same is not true for logan...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But in the House of M, for example, he did not deal with the crisis himself...he was just featured for the most of the time, like Superman. They both are big sellers of the company and have lot of focus on them.
Yup. 👆
Wolverine is featured a lot, but he usually doesn't "solve" any of these big crises (sp?). Whereas Superman, on the other hand, is the one who continually saves the day.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But in the House of M, for example, he did not deal with the crisis himself...he was just featured for the most of the time, like Superman. They both are big sellers of the company and have lot of focus on them.
Originally posted by H. S. 6
Yup. 👆Wolverine is featured a lot, but he usually doesn't "solve" any of these big crises (sp?). Whereas Superman, on the other hand, is the one who continually saves the day.
K, sorry, i didnt say what i meant...
i didnt mean that logan solves all these crises, but it was him who realised that the world was wrong in house of m... and he does get an awful lot of panel time...
and to be fair... it is superman... to most of dc he's their biggest asset... they have to show him justifying the faith people have in him... imagine if hal or diana had taken down superboy prime... its just gonna make superman look bad isnt it?
Originally posted by Draco69
They don't have a "Trinity" per say. DC relies on not on popularity but notoriety. Wonder Woman isn't nearly as "popular" as Batman but she's nearly as recognizable.Marvel doesn't go the "liberal" approach. They go: "Geez! This character rakes in a ton of dough, let's put him on every goddamn cover!" They take the consumerist approach while DC takes the traditional symbolist approach.
Wolverine is a perfect example of Marvel's marketing strategy. EVERY goddamn crossover involves him somehow as integral....
And i like that.
I hate Wolverine, but the fact that if a character is popular enough, that they get spotlight is good, imo.
It gives all characters a chance at stardom.
Rather than being forcefed the same big three, which will always be the Big Three, and if your fav character isn't one of the Big three, he will in time be jobbed out to at least one of the big three.
Ie, Wonder Woman.
In the general swing of things, alot of people don't give a rats ass about her. Face it.
But DC still keeps her prominent, so as to keep her. Who the fukk wants to see a Wonder Woman movie??
Really?
Her entire existence is moot, since she was always about not being second to any male, yet by her companies definition, she will always be second to a certain male character.
What a pointless character stance in the scheme of things.
Yet we keep getting her in our faces.
If DC were like Marvel, the popular low grade heroes like Batgirl, would get the spotlight.
Batgirl, as of now, is a crazy schitzo who kills her siblings. And her book was cancelled.
Yet WW still has a book, even though, iirc Batgirl may have outsold her for a while??
Marvels take on the situation......Lets give her a book and keep her fresh and in the mix, ala Wolverine.
DC.....Lets kill her and make her a foil for the Boy Wonder, so he has his own little Talia to play with.
Marvel gives its characters a chance at prominence.
DC, will let you shine, as long as you don't encroach on the territory of the big three.
At least Marvel gives all the characters a chance.
DC cripples them out the gate.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And i like that.
I hate Wolverine, but the fact that if a character is popular enough, that they get spotlight is good, imo.
It gives all characters a chance at stardom.
Rather than being forcefed the same big three, which will always be the Big Three, and if your fav character isn't one of the Big three, he will in time be jobbed out to at least one of the big three.Ie, Wonder Woman.
In the general swing of things, alot of people don't give a rats ass about her. Face it.
But DC still keeps her prominent, so as to keep her. Who the fukk wants to see a Wonder Woman movie??
Really?
Her entire existence is moot, since she was always about not being second to any male, yet by her companies definition, she will always be second to a certain male character.
What a pointless character stance in the scheme of things.
Yet we keep getting her in our faces.
If DC were like Marvel, the popular low grade heroes like Batgirl, would get the spotlight.
Batgirl, as of now, is a crazy schitzo who kills her siblings. And her book was cancelled.Yet WW still has a book, even though, iirc Batgirl may have outsold her for a while??
Marvels take on the situation......Lets give her a book and keep her fresh and in the mix, ala Wolverine.DC.....Lets kill her and make her a foil for the Boy Wonder, so he has his own little Talia to play with.
Marvel gives its characters a chance at prominence.
DC, will let you shine, as long as you don't encroach on the territory of the big three.
At least Marvel gives all the characters a chance.DC cripples them out the gate.
I do agree to an extent, but i don't think the situation in marvel is that different, especially if you're part of a team...
Guys like Cyclops, Colossus, Iceman and Beast from the x-men always seem to take a backseat to the fan favourites like gambit, wolverine and to an extent, emma frost...
Those guys (to name a few) could do with a little more focus...
Originally posted by pr1983
and to be fair... it is superman... to most of dc he's their biggest asset... they have to show him justifying the faith people have in him... imagine if hal or diana had taken down superboy prime... its just gonna make superman look bad isnt it?
And that was the original point of this conversation. DC focuses much more on their Trinity, and much less on their "second rate" characters, I think, than Marvel. 😛
I mean, damn... look at all the characters we've seen in Civil War that haven't been seen in, well... a long, long time.
Originally posted by UniOmni
If they get a big enough demand, they will. Thats the whole point of the post i made.
If the people demand it, we get what we want. And there isn't a trinity that is being shielded to worry about.
I don't think the trinity need to be shielded... at least in the case of batman or superman at the very least... they have almost universal appeal... i mean, most fans find at least one thing they like about either one...
they're the two most famous characters in comics history...
and as far as the demand goes... i can't help feeling the same would be true in the case of batgirl too...
apologies for the double post...
Originally posted by H. S. 6
And that was the original point of this conversation. DC focuses much more on their Trinity, and much less on their "second rate" characters, I think, than Marvel. 😛I mean, damn... look at all the characters we've seen in Civil War that haven't been seen in, well... a long, long time.
Why shouldn't they focus on the bigger characters when it comes to the events?
ok, ic #7, green arrow and i think it was connor are fighting, and they see doomsday bearing down on them, i'm willing to bet green arrow was praying for superman to intervene (like most characters, because superman is the one thats always there when shit goes down, because thats what his character is all about). Superman due to his powerset and appeal should be in the midst of it, because he is that big... whether he was in the trinity (though the fact that he would be is due to his longevity) or not he'd still be in the thick of things...
i don't think in a similar situation captain america would be praying for wolverine to come save him...
the trinity doesnt make the heroes, the heroes make the trinity... at least imo...
in their own comics, i think alot of the so-called lesser characters get decent exposure, i mean, look at 52... wasn't that designed purely to give all these other characters some focus?
and as far as marvel goes, i was glad to see so many characters in civil war... the fight in #3 in particular... cant wait for #4...
Originally posted by pr1983
apologies for the double post...Why shouldn't they focus on the bigger characters when it comes to the events?
ok, ic #7, green arrow and i think it was connor are fighting, and they see doomsday bearing down on them, i'm willing to bet green arrow was praying for superman to intervene (like most characters, because superman is the one thats always there when shit goes down, because thats what his character is all about). Superman due to his powerset and appeal should be in the midst of it, because he is that big... whether he was in the trinity (though the fact that he would be is due to his longevity) or not he'd still be in the thick of things...
the trinity doesnt make the heroes, the heroes make the trinity... at least imo...
in their own comics, i think alot of the so-called lesser characters get decent exposure, i mean, look at 52... wasn't that designed purely to give all these other characters some focus?
I DO think Superman and Batman should have at the very most only two titles.
For god's sake, there's at least NINE Batman titles on sale right now....
Originally posted by Draco69
I DO think Superman and Batman should have at the very most only two titles.For god's sake, there's at least NINE Batman titles on sale right now....
Thats true... 9? Superman actually cut one... they merged Superman and Adventures of Superman into just one comic under the 'Superman' title...