Marvel's Trinity?

Originally posted by pr1983
There is one point i'd like to make...

during the build up to infinite crisis, a guy at dc called dan didio (sp?), wanted to kill nightwing, it was fan response that convinced him otherwise... which to me shows that they do listen to the fans...

second... what? how many people have ever beaten the hulk? thats a line, same as juggernaut, thor and so on...

i think if a character is good enough then dc will give them the requisite focus...

and what do you mean about rebirth? john took down superman, hal punched bruce... what, you want it to happen more regularly? I'm not sure what you mean... 😮

Quite a few people have beaten the Hulk. He isn't the brute he once was.

And yeah DC will give them a chance.......To a point. But they will always play second fiddle to the Big Three.
And thats the rub i don't think anyone cares about.
If your fav character is one of the big three, this may be what you like. If not, then best believe that they will notice the star treatment the Big 3 gets.
Cuz DC has the stance, that the big three are a cut above everyone else.

And Rebirth got alot of flack for what it showed............Alot.
Superman as handled by a Gl, and Batman chumped.
People didn't like that.

And the Nightwing thing is different.
I'd almost rather they had killed him, than show him the way he is now.

Nightwing will never reach his true potential, due to the fact that he must remain in Batmans shadow.
A full potential Nightwing, is someone who doesn't come running when Bruce beckons.
And that Nightwing, rivals Bruce.
Que the systematic breakdown of his character in recent years.
The best Nightwing, many feel, is the Nightwing thats not controlled by the Batoffices of DC politics.
Outsiders Nightwing is currently the best Nightwing.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Quite a few people have beaten the Hulk. He isn't the brute he once was.

What about the others i named...

And yeah DC will give them a chance.......To a point. But they will always play second fiddle to the Big Three.
And thats the rub i don't think anyone cares about.
If your fav character is one of the big three, this may be what you like. If not, then best believe that they will notice the star treatment the Big 3 gets.
Cuz DC has the stance, that the big three are a cut above everyone else.

Well, i'm a huge fan of red tornado and flash (and have been for years), and i do see your point... but given the choice, i think i prefer having the big three that exist rather than have someone else...

but look at the alternative... marvel has wolverine in too many comics, they even had him in the new avengers for chrissakes... is that not hurting the chances of lesser characters too?

They have always, and still do, have cap punch above his weight in comics... were that flag not draped across his uniform i think he wouldnt be in the position he's in... as someone said he's the go to guy, much like superman, though with supermans abilities i can understand that to an extent...

And Rebirth got alot of flack for what it showed............Alot.
Superman as handled by a Gl, and Batman chumped.
People didn't like that.

The first Green Lantern series i ever read was Rebirth, and i'm a huge Superman fan (and have been for oh, about 17/18 years), but i have to say i loved rebirth... and i didnt think it at all unfair what happened to Supes and Bats... maybe i'm the minority...

And the Nightwing thing is different.
I'd almost rather they had killed him, than show him the way he is now.

Nightwing will never reach his true potential, due to the fact that he must remain in Batmans shadow.
A full potential Nightwing, is someone who doesn't come running when Bruce beckons.
And that Nightwing, rivals Bruce.
Que the systematic breakdown of his character in recent years.
The best Nightwing, many feel, is the Nightwing thats not controlled by the Batoffices of DC politics.
Outsiders Nightwing is currently the best Nightwing.

I like outsiders nightwing too, and he was ok in the recent action comics, even though it was a small part... he seems to have grown... give him time i say, and fans'll be rewarded with a bat-less nightwing that will stand on his own...

I'd rather there not be a big three at all. But having it fixed, is worse imo. Cuz that means NO one else has a shot at the big time.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I'd rather there not be a big three at all. But having it fixed, is worse imo. Cuz that means NO one else has a shot at the big time.

I don't think its as fixed... the biggest characters sell the most comics, therefore require the most exposure...

as much as i hate it, its the way both companies (at least imo) do business...

from a pure character standpoint, there are tens of characters who could do with some decent focus...

WW has habitually had a hard time selling books.

Originally posted by UniOmni
WW has habitually had a hard time selling books.

yeah, i was sorta discluding her from my comments... 😛

I swear at one point there was a term for Cap, Iron-man and Thor being the equivalent of DC's "trinity".

Originally posted by pr1983

during the build up to infinite crisis, a guy at dc called dan didio (sp?), wanted to kill nightwing

Have you read the recent series? Nightwing is dead to me. 🙁

Originally posted by Draco69
Wonder Woman is the first female superhero in a comic.

Actually, Hawkgirl was the first.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Nightwing will never reach his true potential, due to the fact that he must remain in Batmans shadow.
A full potential Nightwing, is someone who doesn't come running when Bruce beckons.
And that Nightwing, rivals Bruce.
Que the systematic breakdown of his character in recent years.
The best Nightwing, many feel, is the Nightwing thats not controlled by the Batoffices of DC politics.
Outsiders Nightwing is currently the best Nightwing.

NW in the last issue of Action Comics was his most accurate characterization in years (not counting Infinite Crisis). How sad is that?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Have you read the recent series? Nightwing is dead to me. 🙁

i havent had a chance... i only have enough money to buy so many comics... 🙁

Originally posted by Validus
The fact that Outsiders Nightwing is considered a good version of the character just shows how much DC screwed him over and thank god Marv Wolfman is coming back to fix this mess.

NW in the last issue of Action Comics was his most accurate characterization in years (not counting Infinite Crisis). How sad is that?

even superman has nice words to say about him...

Originally posted by Validus
The fact that Outsiders Nightwing is considered a good version of the character just shows how much DC screwed him over and thank god Marv Wolfman is coming back to fix this mess.

NW in the last issue of Action Comics was his most accurate characterization in years (not counting Infinite Crisis). How sad is that?

I hear you.

But as long as he stays under the hand of the Batoffices, he will forever stagnate.

His status as compared to Batman is the least of my problems. The Batman/Nightwing team up is still more interesting than Batman & Robin and that's not a knock on Tim either. Nothing bothers me more in comics than awful characterizations though.

You think Nightwing has problems? Look at poor Donna Troy! The poor gal gets f***ed over every few weeks.

I got photos from DC Message Boards forum member who got a look at the infamously late issue of WW#2. Donna's now a crucified necklace for Giganta to wear...

Yeah but everyone knows Donna is a loser. "Death" is pretty much her status quo.

There was a time when Dick was more popular than Batman. He can be that again.

And I'd love to see those pics btw. 😂

Donna needs a remix. And a good remix. She should get the Stan Lee origin of Wonder Woman.

I hate donna troy... bring back diana...

You happen to have those pics Draco? I'm kind of fiending for WW#2, mostly for the Dodson artwork.

Originally posted by pr1983
I hate donna troy... bring back diana...

She's back already. At the end of issue #2 (which isn't out for like three weeks...) we see "Diana Prince" do her trademark spin into....well that's for issue #3 since it's left as a cliffhanger.

Originally posted by Validus
You happen to have those pics Draco? I'm kind of fiending for WW#2, mostly for the Dodson artwork.

You have to go to DC Message Boards and go to the WW forum. You have to sign up unfortunately. Look for the most popular thread with the word comic con in it and you have to add your email address to the list and the original threadstarter will email it to you.

I would just wait. I have an unyielding hard-on for all things WW so I actually have an excuse to do something so pathetic....

Or you can just read the posts. You won't see the pics, but you'll get the descriptions. They are verified.