Originally posted by Validus
Batman has 3-4 mini series on sale at any given time. Plus All Star.Adam Hughes is doing the All Star WW series pretty soon though.
Forgot allstar...
In a month i buy say, action comics, superman and all star superman...
i'll probably pick up the new jla (it has ed freaking benes, how sweet is that), so i'm glad they cut one down...
Originally posted by pr1983
apologies for the double post...Why shouldn't they focus on the bigger characters when it comes to the events?
ok, ic #7, green arrow and i think it was connor are fighting, and they see doomsday bearing down on them, i'm willing to bet green arrow was praying for superman to intervene (like most characters, because superman is the one thats always there when shit goes down, because thats what his character is all about). Superman due to his powerset and appeal should be in the midst of it, because he is that big... whether he was in the trinity (though the fact that he would be is due to his longevity) or not he'd still be in the thick of things...
i don't think in a similar situation captain america would be praying for wolverine to come save him...
the trinity doesnt make the heroes, the heroes make the trinity... at least imo...
in their own comics, i think alot of the so-called lesser characters get decent exposure, i mean, look at 52... wasn't that designed purely to give all these other characters some focus?
and as far as marvel goes, i was glad to see so many characters in civil war... the fight in #3 in particular... cant wait for #4...
What are you debating for, exactly? 😕
DC focuses much more on their "Trinity" than Marvel does their own big characters. That's agreeable, no?
I'm confused as to what you're trying to say here...
Originally posted by H. S. 6
What are you debating for, exactly? 😕DC focuses much more on their "Trinity" than Marvel does their own big characters. That's agreeable, no?
I'm confused as to what you're trying to say here...
Except Wonder Woman...
They just give her one book....
And no, Marvel pledges its children to the glorification of Wolverine and Spider-Man in every comic as does DC with Superman and Batman.
Originally posted by Draco69
Except Wonder Woman...They just give her one book....
And no, Marvel pledges its children to the glorification of Wolverine and Spider-Man in every comic as does DC with Superman and Batman.
True, but I wouldn't say Spidey and Wolverine are focused on as much more in relation to the secnd stringers as Batman and Supes.
You said it yourself: Batman has, like, 9 comics out right now. 😛
I agree that it's good that Marvel doesn't really have a "Trinity" (even though i already posted who i thought it would be.... but the thread just demanded an answer... 🙁 )
I think DC puts too much emphasis on power, the most respected hero in DC is Superman, for Marvel it's Captain America..... their powersets couldn't be further separated... yet they remain the two "go to" guys for their respective worlds.
One of the most powerful mainstream characters in Marvel is Iron Man, yet he would only be halfway up the power ladder if he was a DC character... I think DC trapped themselves with that fact early on in their life and have never been able to get away from it. Their main problem is that they have to/had to bring in new characters who could compete with the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc, etc ... without making those characters much more powerful than Superman.... hence they ended up with a ton of characters with the same basic powerset (strength, speed, flight, energy projection)
Marvel have had a far wider margin for powers as, in the old days, there were only ever a few uber powered characters, which left able to create/update the far lesser powered heroes and villains (DareDevil, Carnage, Yellow Jacket, Taskmaster)
This is one of the reasons I've generally been more into Marvel.... I don't want all my comic characters to be invulnerable demi-gods (though Thor is cool as sh!t) I want to read about the Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Captain America, Human Torch type guys who don't always have to face world destroying power levels to be sorely challenged
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Ok.... I've gone completely off topic and started ranting... I'm done now ... 😉
Originally posted by Scoobless
I agree that it's good that Marvel doesn't really have a "Trinity" (even though i already posted who i thought it would be.... but the thread just demanded an answer... 🙁 )I think DC puts too much emphasis on power, the most respected hero in DC is Superman, for Marvel it's Captain America..... their powersets couldn't be further separated... yet they remain the two "go to" guys for their respective worlds.
One of the most powerful mainstream characters in Marvel is Iron Man, yet he would only be halfway up the power ladder if he was a DC character... I think DC trapped themselves with that fact early on in their life and have never been able to get away from it. Their main problem is that they have to/had to bring in new characters who could compete with the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc, etc ... without making those characters much more powerful than Superman.... hence they ended up with a ton of characters with the same basic powerset (strength, speed, flight, energy projection)
Marvel have had a far wider margin for powers as, in the old days, there were only ever a few uber powered characters, which left able to create/update the far lesser powered heroes and villains (DareDevil, Carnage, Yellow Jacket, Taskmaster)
This is one of the reasons I've generally been more into Marvel.... I don't want all my comic characters to be invulnerable demi-gods (though Thor is cool as sh!t) I want to read about the Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Captain America, Human Torch type guys who don't always have to face world destroying power levels to be sorely challenged
_____Ok.... I've gone completely off topic and started ranting... I'm done now ... 😉
I think it has to more with tradition and age. The DC Trinity came first before any of the other DC characters. So they get their "respect" as the "originals" who started it all.
Superman is the first superpowered superhero in a comic.
Batman is the first nonpowered superhero in a comic.
Wonder Woman is the first female superhero in a comic.
It's not really power (if so Green Lantern would be at the top) it's more tradition and respect to the originals who started it all.
when it comes to merchandizing no other charcters even scratch the level of hulk, and spidey . i couldnt tell when was the last time i went to the toy section at walmart, and havent seen spiderman and hulk dominating the shelves. i dont know who the third would be. maybe a toss up between iron man and wolverine, but spidey and hulk are definately 1 and 2
when it somes to comic cult following, again Spidey, and hulk round out the top two. then Cap, wolverine avengers, FF, xmen. so its hard to pin point as to who the defintive trinty is
Originally posted by Grimm22
Eh, Emma has become vastly important as the one of the headmasters of the X-Men 😬
She's been getting a lot of exposure lately(Not that, that's a bad thing 😄) but I wouldn't class her in the same popularity league as Storm and Sue. Emma's character has had me hooked since the TAS series but there's still a long way to go before she can reach marvel all-star status.
It's doubtful the name Emma Frost would be known outside of comic world well not yet anyway, while nearly everyone knows Storm.
Rumour has it that Emma's getting her own movie so hopefully she'll move a little bit higher up on marvels ladder.Hope the movie doesn't bomb...
Originally posted by Scoobless
Amongst Ex-X-Headmasters are Xavier (currently depowered to human status) Magneto (currently in a SHIELD hospital... with no powers and probable brain damage) and Banshee (currently depowered.... as in "dead"😉Future doesn't look to bright for Ms Frost
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Don't forget Jean 😛
Cyke seems immune to it.
And you're right with Warsong and Astonishing the future does look bleak for Ms Frost...but in all honesty she does keep it interesting...and it was great while it lasted. Plus she's easier on the eyes then some of her predecessors.
Poor, poor Julian what is he going to do without her...
if they had sage as the head master she would have that place running like a swiis watch.....but due to her innate ability to collate and store massive amounts of data which gives her the ability to make predictions down to the smallest decimal point, she would probably take a cold inhuman approach to running things, not caring about thier feelings and all that. she would be the ultimate ice queen----erm---on second thought that propbably wouldnt be a good idea to make her head mistress
Originally posted by H. S. 6
What are you debating for, exactly? 😕DC focuses much more on their "Trinity" than Marvel does their own big characters. That's agreeable, no?
I'm confused as to what you're trying to say here...
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All i mean is this... DC's focus on its trinity is justifiable in some instances, but yes, sometimes they are guilty of overdoing it...
All i mean is that Marvel can be just as guilty sometimes, with very little justification, thats all...
Originally posted by manjaro
quite so, and has irony might have it DC has published a trade featuring WW, batman, and superman....entitled the trinity. so it shows you where thier priorties lie. also in the new JLA series those three were the ones who got to pick who would be the next wave of JLA'ers
They are the senior members... 😬
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I dunno about that...Like he is now as a Marvel character... 😖hifty:
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Like he is now as a Marvel character... 😖hifty:
I'm just talking about Earth based Mainstream Marvel heroes.... not Surfer/Quasar/Nova/Warlock/BRB type guys
There really aren't a lot of Marvel heroes (based on Earth) that are much more powerful than him..... Sentry, Thor (if that really is him back)..... Strange, Black Bolt (but IM could still beat him....😖hifty: )
Not many come to mind straight away
IM kicks pretty much everyone else's ass .... and could conceivably beat Strange and BB on a good day
Originally posted by Draco69
Except Wonder Woman...They just give her one book....
And no, Marvel pledges its children to the glorification of Wolverine and Spider-Man in every comic as does DC with Superman and Batman.
But i maintain the belief that if Gambit got half the popularity votes/requests as Wolverine, he'd be everywhere as well.
In Marvel, it all depends on the demands of the consumers, and whatever the consumer wants, generally it gets.
DC, they will always maintain the superiority of Batman and WW and Superman.
Nobody else has a chance to eclipse them, cuz they will always be the Big Three.
Tradition demands they get the star treatment, and all other characters off the bat MUST play second fiddle to them.
And thats why i don't like DC at times.
I wish Marvel got Orion, MM, Cap Marvel/BA. Firestorm as well.
Nightwing and Batgirl to boot.
Cuz at least if the fans demand them enough, they will get to rise to icon/prominence status.
DC, they send them out, knowing they can only go so high.
And thats the thing i hate.
Nothing worse than knowing that whatever potential your favorite character has, he/she can't cross a certain line.
GL can get shown to be a complete doof by Superman or Batman, but god forbid a GL show some thinking and shoot Superman in the eye and take him down.....Ala Rebirth. Superfans will rage and foam at the mouth.
Or one punch Batman. Again, ala rebirth. Batstans will go cold turkey.
Can anybody deny the truth of my post?? If so, i'm all open to hear it.
Originally posted by UniOmni
But i maintain the belief that if Gambit got half the popularity votes/requests as Wolverine, he'd be everywhere as well.In Marvel, it all depends on the demands of the consumers, and whatever the consumer wants, generally it gets.
DC, they will always maintain the superiority of Batman and WW and Superman.
Nobody else has a chance to eclipse them, cuz they will always be the Big Three.
Tradition demands they get the star treatment, and all other characters off the bat MUST play second fiddle to them.
And thats why i don't like DC at times.I wish Marvel got Orion, MM, Cap Marvel/BA. Firestorm as well.
Nightwing and Batgirl to boot.
Cuz at least if the fans demand them enough, they will get to rise to icon/prominence status.
DC, they send them out, knowing they can only go so high.And thats the thing i hate.
Nothing worse than knowing that whatever potential your favorite character has, he/she can't cross a certain line.GL can get shown to be a complete doof by Superman or Batman, but god forbid a GL show some thinking and shoot Superman in the eye and take him down.....Ala Rebirth. Superfans will rage and foam at the mouth.
Or one punch Batman. Again, ala rebirth. Batstans will go cold turkey.Can anybody deny the truth of my post?? If so, i'm all open to hear it.
There is one point i'd like to make...
during the build up to infinite crisis, a guy at dc called dan didio (sp?), wanted to kill nightwing, it was fan response that convinced him otherwise... which to me shows that they do listen to the fans...
second... what? how many people have ever beaten the hulk? thats a line, same as juggernaut, thor and so on...
i think if a character is good enough then dc will give them the requisite focus...
and what do you mean about rebirth? john took down superman, hal punched bruce... what, you want it to happen more regularly? I'm not sure what you mean... 😮