Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So in summation; The OTF isn't a necessity to KMC, just a necessity to certain members, and I think Raz cares more about the site he created than the members who join it to "chat" in a "lounge".-AC
I think Raz is smart enough to not post in places he finds unnecessary especially not to complain.
Originally posted by LethalFemme
At some point he could have thought of it as a necessity. Not for what it has become but, for what it was originally intended for.
We're not discussing past, we're discussing present and possible future, as well as the OTFs current role.
It's not a necessity to KMC, fact. You can now move on.
-AC
Originally posted by LethalFemme
Why isn't it one? Because you don't view the threads here as important enough for your time?
Do you even read the words I type? I have said many times, as have others, why it's not a necessity to KMC.
YOU may believe it's a necessity TO YOUR time here, however, to the functionality and existence of KMC, the OTF is not a necessity. KMC would not crumble upon its removal, nor would it have any lasting effect on anything or anyone, besides those who love it.
Do you understand this? I've explained it to you many times.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do you even read the words I type? I have said many times, as have others, why it's not a necessity to KMC.YOU may believe it's a necessity TO YOUR time here, however, to the functionality and existence of KMC, the OTF is not a necessity. KMC would not crumble upon its removal, nor would it have any lasting effect on anything or anyone, besides those who love it.
Do you understand this? I've explained it to you many times.
-AC
I never said KMC would crumble with the collapse of the OTF. Would it be missed yes by some. Would it completely rid all of KMC from the ones that post here simply for it no one knows. I'm not saying it's a pure necessity that since Raz created the GDF he naturally had to create the OTF but, he did. There are plenty of people that post crap in the more "important" forums and the minute they're viewed are labeled as OTF material.
I never said it was oh so important to me and without it I'd no longer feel the need to come here did I? Did you somehow confuse the fact that I'm arguing for it's value(limited as it is) and make an assumption that I somehow think of it as the most important thing to this entire forum? As of now Raz may view it as a necessity we'll have to ask him.
I think I'll have to agree that although the OTF isn't a necessity to KMC as a whole, it's a necessity for a lot of people here and it does do a decent job, it serves its purpose.
I certainly hope it doesn't ever get deleted, but perhaps there could be some action taken to clean it up? I understand it would be quite a difficult and time-consuming task and removing it completely would no doubt be easier, but I would hope that the staff here might take these views into consideration and take the time to turn the OTF back into what it was originally intended for.
Everyone's going round in circles now, I think you've all proved your point on multiple occasions. Shouldn't we either come to some agreement, or agree to disagree? If the poll is anything to go by (and I appreciate it probably isn't in a lot of peoples' eyes) then it's clear that the OTF is popular, whether it's needed for the continued success of KMC as a whole is irrelevant.
I hope it stays. Thanks to everyone for your comments 😄
A special thanks to Alpha Centauri for taking the time to come and help us 'see the light'. Lecturing us on our 'OTF style of debating' and then slipping into it himself was quite amusing 😛
I have an observation on the poll, which I find to be a false dilemma (trilemma). It occurs when an argument offers a false range of choices and requires that you pick one of them. The possibilities are presented as if they are the only ones available. If you concede to pick one of those choices, you accept the premise that those choices are indeed the only ones possible. It' s an attempt to frame a debate as being a choice between three options when, in fact, there could be other options available.
Ceterum censeo OTF esse delendam.
Originally posted by Syren
I think I'll have to agree that although the OTF isn't a necessity to KMC as a whole, it's a necessity for a lot of people here and it does do a decent job, it serves its purpose.I certainly hope it doesn't ever get deleted, but perhaps there could be some action taken to clean it up? I understand it would be quite a difficult and time-consuming task and removing it completely would no doubt be easier, but I would hope that the staff here might take these views into consideration and take the time to turn the OTF back into what it was originally intended for.
Everyone's going round in circles now, I think you've all proved your point on multiple occasions. Shouldn't we either come to some agreement, or agree to disagree? If the poll is anything to go by (and I appreciate it probably isn't in a lot of peoples' eyes) then it's clear that the OTF is popular, whether it's needed for the continued success of KMC as a whole is irrelevant.
I hope it stays. Thanks to everyone for your comments 😄
A special thanks to Alpha Centauri for taking the time to come and help us 'see the light'. Lecturing us on our 'OTF style of debating' and then slipping into it himself was quite amusing 😛
We have gone around in circles. All in all for the most I think I and AC agree just on different levels. There just seems to have been a misconceptions in what he and I were trying to say at some point.
Originally posted by Storm
I have an observation on the poll, which I find to be a false dilemma (trilemma). It occurs when an argument offers a false range of choices and requires that you pick one of them. The possibilities are presented as if they are the only ones available. If you concede to pick one of those choices, you accept the premise that those choices are indeed the only ones possible. It' s an attempt to frame a debate as being a choice between three options when, in fact, there could be other options available.Ceterum censeo OTF esse delendam.
I get what you're saying....hmm....we should get rid of all other forums and just keep the OTF.....and maybe the Welcome thread....hmm.......
Originally posted by LethalFemme
We have gone around in circles. All in all for the most I think I and AC agree just on different levels. There just seems to have been a misconceptions in what he and I were trying to say at some point.
I heard the 'conception' part and well.....here I am😖hifty:
Originally posted by Storm
I have an observation on the poll, which I find to be a false dilemma (trilemma). It occurs when an argument offers a false range of choices and requires that you pick one of them. The possibilities are presented as if they are the only ones available. If you concede to pick one of those choices, you accept the premise that those choices are indeed the only ones possible. It' s an attempt to frame a debate as being a choice between three options when, in fact, there could be other options available.Ceterum censeo OTF esse delendam.
Understandable seeing how there are people like myself that care but, just not that much to consider the OTF the main reason for coming to KMC. Should other be on the poll?