Our Beloved OTF - Deleted?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then go somewhere else, it doesn't HAVE to be KMC. KMC isn't the centre of all internet interaction as some of you would believe. There are hundreds of more successful forums that allow or I dare say specialise in that sort of social thing.

That's exactly why it proves it's a luxury, the loose rules. You are telling me that loose rules aren't a greater luxury than any other forum on this site that has the same rules applied?

-AC

I am a member on other forums, most of which aren't a patch on KMC. Not because of the freedom of the OTF but because of the members in general (excepting a few idiots).

The loose rules don't make the OTF in its entirety a luxury, they ARE the luxury. They're the added perk to a necessary board. They are in place so as not to allow blatant idiocy and offensive behaviour, pornographic or incriminating discussions etc., but they are slightly more flexible so that people can literally discuss anything (within reason and showing some kind of sensibility). The OTF is needed, the relaxed rules are the bonus.

Originally posted by Bloigen
sadwalk

You should be ashamed. You've been a disappointment lately.

Originally posted by Syren
I am a member on other forums, most of which aren't a patch on KMC. Not because of the freedom of the OTF but because of the members in general (excepting a few idiots).

The loose rules don't make the OTF in its entirety a luxury, they ARE the luxury. They're the added perk to a necessary board. They are in place so as not to allow blatant idiocy and offensive behaviour, pornographic or incriminating discussions etc., but they are slightly more flexible so that people can literally discuss anything (within reason and showing some kind of sensibility). The OTF is needed, the relaxed rules are the bonus.

What she said.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Should they stick to pm's?

Not if the OTF exists, I'm not AGAINST the OTF. I'm saying that on other forums that don't tolerate or have the need for an OTF part (right, they would be), you may very well be asked to keep it to PMs.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Then why bring up the fact?

Why not?

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Do we not already have a Philosophy forum? Should threads that relate more so to that forum or the Religious forum be moved there? Because there are a few that should be. Also on that note what does the Picture thread represent? Is that not the OTF [B]in the GDF cramped into one thread? [/B]

1) Yes we do.

2) Yes, they should. That's only because the corresponding forums exist, they wouldn't be out of place in the GDF. Religion is a huge subject, philosophy not SO much, so I can somewhat understand one of those sub-forums. However, that doesn't leave much "General" discussion to be done. I thought that it should either be GDF with philosophy in with it, and an additional religion forum, or Religion, Philosophy and Politics in their own forums.

3) I believe the pic thread should be in here.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Precisely, but the SUBJECTS themselves are necessities, so they would just be remerged with the GDF if anything.

"OMG YOU GUYS I'M EATING THE BEST POPSICLE!" or "Vinny's lounge" are not necessary to a forum.

-AC

I keep saying this, AC. The OTF forum as a whole is necessary to the Feng Shui of KMC, not the threads within it 😛

You know I am not arguing for the allowance of such threads as the ones you mentioned, but I am arguing that the OTF is a necessity as a whole because it houses such brain-dead threads. Where would they go if the OTF weren't here? Into other forums. I never said they'd be overlooked, but it would cause a monumental amount of work for the mods and a lot of problems. I say leave the OTF to do its job, stop petitioning for it to be removed. Those completely against the OTF would soon miss it if it weren't here, if only because it saves the 'better' forums from absolute anarchy.

Originally posted by Syren
I am a member on other forums, most of which aren't a patch on KMC. Not because of the freedom of the OTF but because of the members in general (excepting a few idiots).

This doesn't entirely disprove my claim. I'm a member on other forums also, some are much more organised than this one, with arguably tighter community essenses. I like this forum a lot, but people get a bit too attached and start getting defensive. It's a really good forum, it doesn't mean there aren't better.

Not saying you believe that, just saying.

Originally posted by Syren
The loose rules don't make the OTF in its entirety a luxury, they ARE the luxury. They're the added perk to a necessary board. They are in place so as not to allow blatant idiocy and offensive behaviour, pornographic or incriminating discussions etc., but they are slightly more flexible so that people can literally discuss anything (within reason and showing some kind of sensibility). The OTF is needed, the relaxed rules are the bonus.

Blatant idiocy? I consider a lot of the threads in this forum to be blatant idiocy. Harmless? Sure, but still idiocy. A lot of them, not all.

The OTF is not "needed" by any stretch of the imagination. What is needed? Active, contributing members. I wonder who/what Raz would choose to dwell on his forum. The GDF and it's greatest members, the MuDF and it's greatest members...or the OTF and it's greatest members?

Which members would he risk losing? The GDF ones, the MuDF ones or the ones who create "Touch someone above you" threads?

It's not needed, it's a luxury.

-AC

Originally posted by Syren
I am arguing that the OTF is a necessity as a whole because it houses such brain-dead threads. Where would they go if the OTF weren't here? Into other forums. I never said they'd be overlooked, but it would cause a monumental amount of work for the mods and a lot of problems. I say leave the OTF to do its job, stop petitioning for it to be removed. Those completely against the OTF would soon miss it if it weren't here, if only because it saves the 'better' forums from absolute anarchy.

Yes, leave the OTF where it is because there really isn't much point to removing it now. However, if it did, KMC would go on like nothing really happened. It's not a necessary forum, at all.

You are saying it's necessary because it would save forums from anarchy. What anarchy? Members trashing other forums would be banned, simple as. "A lot of banning then" you might say, so what? Hardly a loss banning trolls is it?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not if the OTF exists, I'm not AGAINST the OTF. I'm saying that on other forums that don't tolerate or have the need for an OTF part (right, they would be), you may very well be asked to keep it to PMs.

But seeing as this one does why argue against it?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why not?

I assume you did so to take away from it's potency.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
1) Yes we do.

2) Yes, they should. That's only because the corresponding forums exist, they wouldn't be out of place in the GDF. Religion is a huge subject, philosophy not SO much, so I can somewhat understand one of those sub-forums. However, that doesn't leave much "General" discussion to be done. I thought that it should either be GDF with philosophy in with it, and an additional religion forum, or Religion, Philosophy and Politics in their own forums.

3) I believe the pic thread should be in here.

-AC

1) I know.

2) Then should the Religious and Philosophy forum be deleted since the GDF is both and so much more? Isn't having separate ones like having the OTF but, then a separate forum for all the thread such as LadyLuck's Lounge, Chat with Maynard, The Sisterhood, etc?

3) Why is that? It's not general discussion. I can't remember what Bloigen's ass looking like being on CNN.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I can't remember what Bloigen's ass looking like being on CNN.

Well, it was on quite late. 😬

Originally posted by LethalFemme
But seeing as this one does why argue against it?

Why argue against what? Are you another one of these scanners (I like to call them scanners) who don't actually read my posts and assume that I want the OTF gone?

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I assume you did so to take away from it's potency.

Assume what you want.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
1) I know.

Great.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
2) Then should the Religious and Philosophy forum be deleted since the GDF is both and so much more? Isn't having separate ones like having the OTF but, then a separate forum for all the thread such as LadyLuck's Lounge, Chat with Maynard, The Sisterhood, etc?

I think it should be done either way I suggested previously. Religion forum is much greater in scope than philosophy, really. Both in accessibility and COMMON discussion points. So I don't feel it's a bad thing that it has its own forum.

Philosophy should either be merged with GDF, with an additional religion one, or they should be split into three.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
3) Why is that? It's not general discussion. I can't remember what Bloigen's ass looking like being on CNN.

That's because it hasn...haha, I get it.

I said it should be in here, the OTF.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why argue against what? Are you another one of these scanners (I like to call them scanners) who don't actually read my posts and assume that I want the OTF gone?

No I fully read what you write it reduces the chance of saying something irrelevant. I never said you wanted it gone. I was just merely testing your views on why it isn't necessary. If at the beginning in the great brain that is Raz's this was to remain what it was intended to be a movie forum then no it isn't but, since it's evolved then it is now.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Assume what you want.

I have.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Great.

I think it should be done either way I suggested previously. Religion forum is much greater in scope than philosophy, really. Both in accessibility and COMMON discussion points. So I don't feel it's a bad thing that it has its own forum.

Philosophy should either be merged with GDF, with an additional religion one, or they should be split into three.

That's because it hasn...haha, I get it.

I said it should be in here, the OTF.

-AC

We're in agreement.

What then becomes the guideline for the GDF there are plenty of things on the news that aren't that important but, being in the news would that give people the right to make them threads?

Sorry I read there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This doesn't entirely disprove my claim. I'm a member on other forums also, some are much more organised than this one, with arguably tighter community essenses. I like this forum a lot, but people get a bit too attached and start getting defensive. It's a really good forum, it doesn't mean there aren't better.

Not saying you believe that, just saying.

I agree, but you said to leave KMC and join another forum if I want a necessary OTF. I didn't join this forum for the OTF, so why would I leave because of a lack of it? I just want you to see that the OTF is a necessity in its own right and serves a really good purpose.

Blatant idiocy? I consider a lot of the threads in this forum to be blatant idiocy. Harmless? Sure, but still idiocy. A lot of them, not all.

The OTF is not "needed" by any stretch of the imagination. What is needed? Active, contributing members. I wonder who/what Raz would choose to dwell on his forum. The GDF and it's greatest members, the MuDF and it's greatest members...or the OTF and it's greatest members?

Which members would he risk losing? The GDF ones, the MuDF ones or the ones who create "Touch someone above you" threads?

It's not needed, it's a luxury.

-AC

By 'blatant idiocy' I was referring to the way members conduct themselves with respect to one another; not necessarily the threads. That's where the rules, albeit less strict, still play a big part in keeping things relatively calm.

Also, I'm not getting into a discussion about whether the OTF is better than the GDF or not. I keep saying I don't care which board is better, but if you want an honest answer and I had to choose between the two boards I would choose to get rid of the OTF. But as it's not an impending occurrence it hardly features in this discussion.

Please don't keep repeating 'It's not needed, it's a luxury.' because I can do exactly the same in saying 'It is necessary, you'd miss its presence if it was gone.' We're not getting anywhere.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, leave the OTF where it is because there really isn't much point to removing it now. However, if it did, KMC would go on like nothing really happened. It's not a necessary forum, at all.

You are saying it's necessary because it would save forums from anarchy. What anarchy? Members trashing other forums would be banned, simple as. "A lot of banning then" you might say, so what? Hardly a loss banning trolls is it?

-AC

KMC wouldn't go on like nothing had happened; you cannot speak for the entire forum. Perhaps the GDF regulars would continue like nothing had happened, maybe even quietly rejoice amongst themselves (sadists 😛 ) but it would have an impact. Of course it would.

No, you're right about that. It wouldn't be a loss if all the trolls were rounded up and banned. But it would be a loss to those who frequent the OTF and make decent, enjoyable threads (of which there are a lot - you have to admit that, even amongst the bucketloads of crap). You yourself have commended certain members for the good threads they've made within the OTF. Just don't speak on behalf of the whole of KMC, if the OTF were to be deleted it would be sorely missed. Not by you, but then, you are only one member.

I, for one, would torch Raz's living room if it got deleted. 😊

Originally posted by LethalFemme
No I fully read what you write it reduces the chance of saying something irrelevant. I never said you wanted it gone. I was just merely testing your views on why it isn't necessary. If at the beginning in the great brain that is Raz's this was to remain what it was intended to be a movie forum then no it isn't but, since it's evolved then it is now.

Then now, the GDF is necessary. However, the OTF never will be, for reasons I've explained.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
We're in agreement.

What then becomes the guideline for the GDF there are plenty of things on the news that aren't that important but, being in the news would that give people the right to make them threads?

Sorry I read there.

Personally, I think it's a bit pointless when people make a thread like "Plane crash kills 45". What are you meant to say to that? "Yeah, tragic.". However, if people have opinions, they can discuss it there. It often leads onto a discussion, a general discussion about a subject.

Or drugs, drugs aren't always on the news, you might not be discussing a particular case, so that thread also applies.

-AC

this place would lose most of its members upon deletion and

Originally posted by DarkC
I, for one, would torch Raz's living room if it got deleted. 😊

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then now, the GDF is necessary. However, the OTF never will be, for reasons I've explained.

To those who use it yes the GDF is needed and the same can be said of the OTF.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Personally, I think it's a bit pointless when people make a thread like "Plane crash kills 45". What are you meant to say to that? "Yeah, tragic.". However, if people have opinions, they can discuss it there. It often leads onto a discussion, a general discussion about a subject.

Or drugs, drugs aren't always on the news, you might not be discussing a particular case, so that thread also applies.

-AC

So then what becomes necessary in the GDF? Are there not plenty of threads that in one way or another are the same pretty much?

Originally posted by Syren
I agree, but you said to leave KMC and join another forum if I want a necessary OTF. I didn't join this forum for the OTF, so why would I leave because of a lack of it? I just want you to see that the OTF is a necessity in its own right and serves a really good purpose.

It's not, though. You want me to believe it is, but it's not, as I have continually proven. Your only argument is "It'd cause anarchy". How? Trolling members? Ban them. Errant threads? Delete them.

It serves the purpose a chatroom serves, and this site isn't for that, so by letting you have this. Raz isn't improving KMC by having it.

Originally posted by Syren
By 'blatant idiocy' I was referring to the way members conduct themselves with respect to one another; not necessarily the threads. That's where the rules, albeit less strict, still play a big part in keeping things relatively calm.

Well both counts of idiocy still apply.

Originally posted by Syren
Also, I'm not getting into a discussion about whether the OTF is better than the GDF or not. I keep saying I don't care which board is better, but if you want an honest answer and I had to choose between the two boards I would choose to get rid of the OTF. But as it's not an impending occurrence it hardly features in this discussion.

So? You'd get rid of the OTF because it simply isn't necessary, and you look like you have more fun here than you do debating in the GDF. So my case is more or less closed on that issue.

Originally posted by Syren
Please don't keep repeating 'It's not needed, it's a luxury.' because I can do exactly the same in saying 'It is necessary, you'd miss its presence if it was gone.' We're not getting anywhere.

Then look at what you just said, what I have been saying, and what we've both proven (unbeknownst to you) and realise that it is, infact a luxury. The mods even view it as such, and they "run" the site.

Originally posted by Syren
KMC wouldn't go on like nothing had happened; you cannot speak for the entire forum. Perhaps the GDF regulars would continue like nothing had happened, maybe even quietly rejoice amongst themselves (sadists 😛 ) but it would have an impact. Of course it would.

Yeah, on the ex-members, not the actual forum. The forum would continue functioning as it does now, you realise. There are thousands of members here who have never ever visited the OTF, in all the other forums. The only impact it would have is on the members, not the board. I like the OTF, but I wouldn't care if it was gone. MuDF and GDF is about enough for me.

Originally posted by Syren
No, you're right about that. It wouldn't be a loss if all the trolls were rounded up and banned. But it would be a loss to those who frequent the OTF and make decent, enjoyable threads (of which there are a lot - you have to admit that, even amongst the bucketloads of crap). You yourself have commended certain members for the good threads they've made within the OTF. Just don't speak on behalf of the whole of KMC, if the OTF were to be deleted it would be sorely missed. Not by you, but then, you are only one member.

Sorely missed by the PEOPLE who love it so much, not sorely damaging to the lifespan or operation of KMC.

...and so the crux of the matter reveals itself. It's a necessity to you and those who love it, not to the forum.

Be sure to tip the waitress, you've been a great audience.

-AC

Originally posted by LethalFemme
To those who use it yes the GDF is needed and the same can be said of the OTF.

False. If Raz wants to run a broad, varied forum, he could delete the OTF and the only problem would be with those who love it. If he deleted the GDF, KMC would suffer a loss of members who join this board and remain here as known contributors, for the purpose of discussing such issues, who then branch out to other areas of this site. As opposed to people who sit in the OTF e-flirting in Ladyluck's Lounge.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
So then what becomes necessary in the GDF? Are there not plenty of threads that in one way or another are the same pretty much?

Yes, but the SUBJECTS they discuss are necessary to the forum. Vinny's lounge isn't.

Please don't make me explain it again, it's so simple.

-AC

"As opposed to people who sit in the OTF e-flirting in Ladyluck's Lounge."
And everywhere else 😬

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
False. If Raz wants to run a broad, varied forum, he could delete the OTF and the only problem would be with those who love it. If he deleted the GDF, KMC would suffer a loss of members who join this board and remain here as known contributors, for the purpose of discussing such issues, who then branch out to other areas of this site. As opposed to people who sit in the OTF e-flirting in Ladyluck's Lounge.

Yes, but the SUBJECTS they discuss are necessary to the forum. Vinny's lounge isn't.

Please don't make me explain it again, it's so simple.

-AC

Boo yeah.