Our Beloved OTF - Deleted?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I wasn't here at the very start, no, but I was in before the point where it became more than just 'another forum'.

When it kicked off I think it had two or three Star Wars areas and some administrative areas... Raz actuially has a shopt of its earliest days.

By the time I was in, there were five SW areas, I believe (one for each new film and one for the old ones, and then an EU one... can;t quite remember if Trivia weas there or not), a dead-in-the-water SW RP area, a GDF, the invisible Jedi Council, and two administrative areas, one for testing things and one for questions.

It's obviously transformed quite a bit then. See, this whole site has always struck me as so much more than a movie site.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
OTF is still more fun than the GDF.

You wish....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
OTF is still more fun than the GDF.

It is what it is...off topic...crazy and weird. True, there are many idiots that tramp through here, but, I like it.

Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
It is what it is...off topic...crazy and weird. True, there are many idiots that tramp through here, but, I like it.

Well, in the GDF if you don't agree with the regular consensus opinions you're basically consider an idiot. So basically there are idiots in both.

The argument of OTF being shut down/delited has been done before, and its been decided that such will not happen, and is not a great idea to do so either.

True, it wasn't there before, and everything run smoothly before it was there, and bla bla bla, but the fact is that there are far too many people who visit KMC mainly for OTF.

If OTF is to be delited, they will most probably go around spamming other forums, protesting for the next 6 months, and the rest.
Its just not a solution.

People who hate OTF because its full of crap, should simply stay out of it and let other people get on with bullshit.

I don't like Sports forum, thus i dont post there. I certainly ain't gonna protest against it. It bothers me not.

Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
It's obviously transformed quite a bit then. See, this whole site has always struck me as so much more than a movie site.

It wasn't even a movie site when it started, it was a Star Wars site.

The real transition came in 2003, and the herald was two pronged; The Matrix shoved KMC to the top of the Google list for that film, and the creation of the OTF brought in huge new numbers.

Then each area got so many numbers that they became mini-communities of their own.

Which is more or less where we are today.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, in the GDF if you don't agree with the regular consensus opinions you're basically consider an idiot. So basically there are idiots in both.

Someone earlier alluded to the fact that the GDF was not elitist...or arrogant......I have a hard time believing that.

will someone just please come out and admit that its all about hit-counts?
$$$$

:edit: whats with the e-jingoism going on here? OTF ROOLZ!!!! GDF SUKZZ!!!!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It wasn't even a movie site when it started, it was a Star Wars site.

The real transition came in 2003, and the herald was two pronged; The Matrix shoved KMC to the top of the Google list for that film, and the creation of the OTF brought in huge new numbers.

Then each area got so many numbers that they became mini-communities of their own.

Which is more or less where we are today.

How bad has it gotten though, in your opinion, since the advent of the OTF?

Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
Someone earlier alluded to the fact that the GDF was not elitist...or arrogant......I have a hard time believing that.

Poke'em with a stick...that'll let the hot air out. 😛

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Poke'em with a stick...that'll let the hot air out. 😛

😂 Oh Danny....*pats his head* You're so simple. 😉

So, yeah, how's stuff, man?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I am afraid you are wrong, AC.

Speaking from a definite position of authority here, being involved in the decisions that created the OTF and knowing inside out this place before and after, I can state categorically that the introduction of the OTF massively changed what this place was.

Getting rid of it would also cause such a massive change. Therefore, by any meaningful definition of the word, KMC would not be carrying on 'normally' if it did go, seeing as what is 'normal' to KMC now is the place that it became with the introduction of the OTF.

The GDF has so little relation to what it used to be, that trying to compare it to what it was is futile as well; I can very definitely say that the OTF is more to this place now than the GDF, and would have more effect by its removal. It is more important to this place now than the GDF is. And a claim that the GDF has always been here means little, because what the GDF was is already dead.

You say it wouldn't carry on normally because of what it "normally" is now...well...obviously it wouldn't carry on like a forum with an OTF, since the OTF would be gone. However, many other fully functioning forums don't have OTFs, or don't need them to keep running, and neither does KMC. All the GDFers, MuDFers, MDFers and whatever kind of members you want, would still come here, because what difference does it make? I'd still come here if you deleted the Star Wars forum, because I don't use it. So would thousands of others. So KMC wouldn't crumble, would it?

The OTF is not ultimately necessary to the existence of KMC community forums is it? My main point was: If the OTF was gone, would KMC fail? No. I think you can realise that, being around since the early days. Whether the GDF is being accurately depicted or not, this place needed forums, decent forums, to gain members. It did so, then the OTF was created after, wasn't it? It wasn't built around the OTF, and I doubt most people still sign up FOR the OTF unless it's to spam. My point was never to do with whether it works now or not, because I've even said it's useful. My point was that it being gone wouldn't crumble or ruin KMC, because it's not a necessity. It's just an avenue that is comfortable and works.

The removal of it wouldn't end KMC.

-AC

Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
😂 Oh Danny....*pats his head* You're so simple. 😉

So, yeah, how's stuff, man?

Ah, pretty much the same...work, sports, comics, smashing trolls to pieces...etc...

How's things at your end?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Ah, pretty much the same...work, sports, comics, smashing trolls to pieces...etc...

How's things at your end?

Smashing trolls?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Ah, pretty much the same...work, sports, comics, smashing trolls to pieces...etc...

How's things at your end?

😂 You lead a full life. What sports?

I just moved into a new house I had built...so I'm very happy. Other than that, it's bloody hot here and I sweat too much.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You say it wouldn't carry on normally because of what it "normally" is now...well...obviously it wouldn't carry on like a forum with an OTF, since the OTF would be gone. However, many other fully functioning forums don't have OTFs, or don't need them to keep running, and neither does KMC. All the GDFers, MuDFers, MDFers and whatever kind of members you want, would still come here, because what difference does it make? I'd still come here if you deleted the Star Wars forum, because I don't use it. So would thousands of others. So KMC wouldn't crumble, would it?

The OTF is not ultimately necessary to the existence of KMC community forums is it? My main point was: If the OTF was gone, would KMC fail? No. I think you can realise that, being around since the early days. Whether the GDF is being accurately depicted or not, this place needed forums, decent forums, to gain members. It did so, then the OTF was created after, wasn't it? It wasn't built around the OTF, and I doubt most people still sign up FOR the OTF. My point was never to do with whether it works now or not, because I've even said it's useful. My point was that it being gone wouldn't crumble or ruin KMC, because it's not a necessity. It's just an avenue that is comfortable and works.

The removal of it wouldn't end KMC.

-AC

That is changing the argument. I didn;t say it would finish KMC- though it would certainly have a highly detrimental effect.

I was countering your directly stated points that:

a. That KMC would function normally without it. It would not

and

b. The GDF is more important to KMC. That is also nonsense, and the reasons you gave for it are nonsense.

Originally posted by Devalion
Smashing trolls?

A Dwarf's work is never finish. 😉

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
A Dwarf's work is never finish. 😉

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but then if you get rid of the off topic, where would you put some off topic threads??

i agree the otf is mostly full of stupid threads, but ive had soem good times here(not so much anymore) and its not harming anyone. ive grown out of the off topic forum and choose to stick to other forums on this site. but just because this forum doesnt appeal to me anymore, doesnt mean i want it to get closed down. this forum is good for getting to know peoples characters a bit better than most.

again...is it really harming anyone? ...just a quick solution...dont come in here!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That is changing the argument. I didn;t say it would finish KMC- though it would certainly have a highly detrimental effect.

I was countering your directly stated points that:

a. That KMC would function normally without it. It would not

and

b. The GDF is more important to KMC. That is also nonsense, and the reasons you gave for it are nonsense.

That's been my argument from a long while into this thread.

You are speaking of normal in the sense to what it is now, though. KMC wouldn't function like a KMC with an OTF if the OTF was gone, of course not. It would still have a maintainable and successful membership list and forum activity wouldn't it? By saying it would operate normally, I mean there wouldn't be members from all over the forums leaving. Thousands and thousands would remain and keep many of the other forums going, or all of them infact. Since there are members in other forums that I didn't even know existed. It would function without fail, and with continued success, wouldn't it?

The GDF was already dead...right? Fine, I can concede that one point (Though I said a GDF is more important if it were to be considered a general forum). However, I can use it to illustrate that same point on a grander scale. If you deleted the Star Wars forums, for example, a forum/group of forums that this forum was built on, and acquired the members with, it would change KMC's foundation, right? Because it's an undeniable cornerstone of this site. It's why the site is here. However, even THAT wouldn't cripple KMC. If a time came where forums had to be deleted, there are many more forums that are "necessities" infront of the OTF. Threads with a point to more than being just a toilet. My whole argument with LethalFemme was that the OTF isn't a necessity to KMC's survival and technically, as I also said to Lethal Femme, neither is any other forum. It's not about preference.

-AC