Top 10 Signs You Are A Christian

Originally posted by Eis
Most atheists are as well.

A: "...that is why you as an atheist will burn in hell."
B: "Stupid Christian, you blindly believe that? Where is the proof?"
A: "Well... there is the bible..."
B: "Huh... Thought so."
A: "Well where is the proof there is no god?"
B: "Well... there is the LACK of proof."

To think there is no god is one thing, to state there is no God is as stupid as to state there is a God.

I believe you can decide. Supernatural beings are stupid cockamanie ideas that were made up my humans. There never has been any evidence, ther isnt eveidence now, there wont be any. For som, including me that is a distinction without a difference.

I coucld be the worlds richest man. An athiest would say: "no you dumbf*ck you're not." An agnostic would say "Well I guess there is the possibility."

There comes a point when the possibility is so small that its stupidly insignificant.

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
THE UNIVERSE:
4. Population

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.

Originally posted by Alliance
There comes a point when the possibility is so small that its stupidly insignificant.

Thats an incorrect analogy. Good trybuddy, but the population divided by the total number of planets is the AVERAGE population per planet.

Since most planets are unihabited...and the average population is 0...its correct.

It also assumes that the universe is infinate, which it likely is not.

In additon to that, its a false measurement because you haven't confirmed that the universe if infinate (you never can). Therefore its likely not accurate.

If you take the average population of KNOWN worlds then you get a number...one that tells you that you will be able to meet people, no matter how small a chance it may be.

You can also better pass judgements because you've OBSERVED people, as opposed to just randomly guessing that something callled "people" that have certain charateristics exist in the universe.

Originally posted by Alliance
In additon to that, its a false measurement because you haven't confirmed that the universe if infinate (you never can). Therefore its likely not accurate.

If you take the average population of KNOWN worlds then you get a number...one that tells you that you will be able to meet people, no matter how small a chance it may be.

You can also better pass judgements because you've OBSERVED people, as opposed to just randomly guessing that something callled "people" that have certain charateristics exist in the universe.

Since I may be insane, and create "people" in my mind, I may not have observed these "people", but only assume I have because I do not have evidence otherwise, my brain is unable to adequately judge whether "people" exist or not.

But then, I believe in what I experience through the sensations relayed into my brain, and I do not believe I am insane. But then, insane people seldom do.

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Sorry, I'm just playing with you Alliance. Same with that earlier quote 😉

I know, but the agnostic issue is a valid point. In my mind you could not know in the most absolute terms. But atheism and relgiousism are VERY different. And I don't believe agnosticism is the "moral high ground"

Originally posted by Alliance
I know, but the agnostic issue is a valid point. In my mind you could not know in the most absolute terms. But atheism and relgiousism are VERY different. And I don't believe agnosticism is the "moral high ground"

People say that Athiests and Religious people are both d*ckheads because they feel they can make a claim about whether god/higher power exists or not.

I say this is not so. I say that while yes, while the possibility that a god could possibly in the wildest of dreams and contrary to all evidence exist...exists, I can still be atheist and be logically superior to everyone.

(of course, Agnostics have no problem saying they're superior, which is what this whole arguemtn is about)

I think that many people are raised on god and have secret desires to keep him around, or at least tolerate what is an absolutely rediculous idea. I think agnostics who claim this argument give an absured amount of weight to the possibility that a god exists.

Originally posted by Alliance
People say that Athiests and Religious people are both d*ckheads because they feel they can make a claim about whether god/higher power exists or not.

I say this is not so. I say that while yes, while the possibility that a god could possibly in the wildest of dreams and contrary to all evidence exist...exists, I can still be atheist and be logically superior to everyone.

(of course, Agnostics have no problem saying they're superior, which is what this whole arguemtn is about)

I think that many people are raised on god and have secret desires to keep him around, or at least tolerate what is an absolutely rediculous idea. I think agnostics who claim this argument give an absured amount of weight to the possibility that a god exists.

I don't accept any religious philosophies either. I lean towads intellectualism, trancendentalism, existentialism, liberalism and so on. I reject conservatism and literalism. But I keep an open mind.

Ignorance is a fact of life. Any god that exists has no active effect on the current world, given the evidence.

It's sad that that's the image many people have of Christians. But unfortunately, in some cases, that image isn't far away from the truth. That's the kind of image that Christians like me try very hard to avoid. Ask me anything...I won't judge you. Different opinions and beliefs make the world go round.

Most atheists are as well.

A: "...that is why you as an atheist will burn in hell."
B: "Stupid Christian, you blindly believe that? Where is the proof?"
A: "Well... there is the bible..."
B: "Huh... Thought so."
A: "Well where is the proof there is no god?"
B: "Well... there is the LACK of proof."

To think there is no god is one thing, to state there is no God is as stupid as to state there is a God.

exactly the point. Only a Christian would ask a question that everybody learned in 4th grade is a non-question in attempt to save face in their faith. Ofcourse you can't prove a negative. For something to be proven, there must be testable tangible evidence or collected data.......if something does not exist it cannot leave tangible evidence or data to collect. They somehow believe this will save face.......when it only makes them seem even more unintelligent for not knowing this before speaking the words.

actually it's fairly safe to say there is no god precisely because there is no evidence for it. The person making the POSITIVE claim bares the burden of proof. If you say god exists, prove it. You've had 4,000 years.....we're all still waiting. If I tell you I have a pink unicorn in my basement which I frequently mate with my purple dragon......the statement is false until I provide evidence to back it up. Then and only then can my statement be considered not false.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
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Christian = one believing in Jesus Christ. Not the stereotype described in your little article.

Originally posted by Alliance
I believe you can decide. Supernatural beings are stupid cockamanie ideas that were made up my humans. There never has been any evidence, ther isnt eveidence now, there wont be any. For som, including me that is a distinction without a difference.

I coucld be the worlds richest man. An athiest would say: "no you dumbf*ck you're not." An agnostic would say "Well I guess there is the possibility."

There comes a point when the possibility is so small that its stupidly insignificant.

If you think there is no god, that's okay but to claim there is no god because you think there is no god is just ignorant. And furthermore the reason why you believe there is no god is because there is no proof that there is indeed a god but how about matters like... homosexuality, do you believe it's psychological because there is no proof that it's genetic?

Atheists completely believe there is no deity, agnostics might think there is no god but accept the possibility there might be one. Atheists have no proof to back up their claims, agnostics don't need proof to back up their claims.

Agnosticism is definitely on logical higher ground.

Question: Does God exist?
Theist: "Yes"
Atheist: "No"
Agnostic: "I dont know for sure which is why i dont want to answer."

. . . . so avoiding the question/issue ENTIRELY puts agnostics on a HIGHER LOGICAL GROUND than either theists and atheists who give an answer?! Methinks, NOT.

Most agnostics that i know off are atheists who STILL vestigially BELIEVE, hence, AFRAID of Divine Retribution in the afterlife. But since there is NO PROOF that there is a state of afterlife after dying, why FEAR and expect Divine Retribution? Lets not forget that "the Divine" itself ie. God. is itself unproven.

Some proof that there is NO God?

Unanswered prayers.
Unfulfilled prophecies from "divinely inspired" written accounts.

Theists and apparently some agnostics, dont NOTICE and/or RECOGNIZE these as proofs simply because theyre still immersed on certain (cheap and hollow) "catch all" dogmatic interpretations, such as "God works in mysterious ways".

If you think there is no god, that's okay but to claim there is no god because you think there is no god is just ignorant. And furthermore the reason why you believe there is no god is because there is no proof that there is indeed a god but how about matters like... homosexuality, do you believe it's psychological because there is no proof that it's genetic?

you've got it backwards. People do not proclaim there is no go because they don't believe there's a god. People proclaim there is no god because there is not now nor has ever been evidence of a god. Christians on the other hand are the ones proclaiming there is a god, yet offering no evidence at all to back up this mighty bold statement. You seem to not realize that the burden of proof lies on those making a positive assertion. If you say something exists, as Christians do, it is your job to provide proof to back up your mighty bold claim. People who proclaim no god need not provide anything, as they are not making a bold claim. They are merely pointing out the obvious non-existence of a phenomena. Until there is evidence suggesting something exists, it does not exist. It's just some random idea made up by some cave man, passed down the generation and still believed.

as for your homsexual question, why you are bringing this up here and now.....I don't know......it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. I'm not trying to attack your lifestyle or anything but to be honest, your assumption was correct. Until there is evidence supporting the fact that homosexuality is in fact a trait determined by genes, it is a psychological phenomena. Genes actually do exist, physically. Anything physical can be proven. Until there is evidence supporting this hypothesis that can be physically proven, it is not true. All facts must have irrefutable physical evidence or testable data to support them.

as for your homsexual question, why you are bringing this up here and now.....I don't know......it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. I'm not trying to attack your lifestyle or anything but to be honest, your assumption was correct. Until there is evidence supporting the fact that homosexuality is in fact a trait determined by genes, it is a psychological phenomena. Genes actually do exist, physically. Anything physical can be proven. Until there is evidence supporting this hypothesis that can be physically proven, it is not true. All facts must have irrefutable physical evidence or testable data to support them.

you've got it backwards. People do not proclaim there is no go because they don't believe there's a god. People proclaim there is no god because there is not now nor has ever been evidence of a god. Christians on the other hand are the ones proclaiming there is a god, yet offering no evidence at all to back up this mighty bold statement. You seem to not realize that the burden of proof lies on those making a positive assertion. If you say something exists, as Christians do, it is your job to provide proof to back up your mighty bold claim. People who proclaim no god need not provide anything, as they are not making a bold claim. They are merely pointing out the obvious non-existence of a phenomena. Until there is evidence suggesting something exists, it does not exist. It's just some random idea made up by some cave man, passed down the generation and still believed.

People denying Holocaust are often asked for proof to back it up, why shouldn't we do the same to people who deny the existence of a deity?

Not bold? Hmm... Someone flat-out saying 1 billion people's belief of a deity is completely wrong and untrue is indeed bold. And one shouldn't make such a statement unless he has something to back it up with. Same goes for Christians (and all religions) obviously but that's not what we're discussing.
And just for my curiousity why the **** is it so obvious there is no deity? Because we can't see it?

(the bold portion).......not true. The very word BELIEF, implies it is not fact or truth. If it were recognized as trueh it would be a KNOWN FACT, not a BELIEF. It's obvious that the claim of "there's a diety" is not obvious because we can't see it, it's obvious because there is no evidence or any kind supporting the assertion. We've been begging you Christians for 2000 years......and the Jews longer for evidence of your diety, still none. What's taking you guys so long? Nothing......I repeat nothing in this universe is truth or fact until there is evidence to support it, therefore it is obvious your diety (or anyone elses) is not truth or fact as there is no evidence at all to support it. Put forth some evidence and that all changes..........it is entirely possible a diety could be truth or fact, if one were to ever produce the evidence supporting the assertion. They haven't so it's not. pretty simple.

I really don't see the big problem. You've stated it yourself.....1 billion people......all making the same wild assertion of invisible person/people living in the sky..........why is it not one of those billion can produce any kind of evidence at all to back up this claim? Before I go out and preach to the world about my pink unicorn, I'm damn sure going to have concrete evidence of it's existence in hand to back me up.....as to not be thought a nutjob........

Originally posted by Templares
Question: Does God exist?
Theist: "Yes"
Atheist: "No"
Agnostic: "I dont know for sure which is why i dont want to answer."

Actually it's more like this:

Theist: "Yes"
Athiest: "No"
Agnostic: "Maybe"

Originally posted by Templares
. . . . so avoiding the question/issue ENTIRELY puts agnostics on a HIGHER LOGICAL GROUND than either theists and atheists who give an answer?! Methinks, NOT.

Nope. Agnostics are on the much higher logical ground, because they accept the reality that they do not know for sure. Athiests and Religious people SWEAR that what they beleive is true, even when they have no proof to validify thier claims.

A truly intelligent person is one who realizes that he or she does not know everything. Only an Fool thinks he knows everything.

Originally posted by Templares
Most agnostics that i know off are atheists who STILL vestigially BELIEVE, hence, AFRAID of Divine Retribution in the afterlife. But since there is NO PROOF that there is a state of afterlife after dying, why FEAR and expect Divine Retribution? Lets not forget that "the Divine" itself ie. God. is itself unproven.

They are both unproven.

Originally posted by Templares
Some proof that there is NO God?

Unanswered prayers.
Unfulfilled prophecies from "divinely inspired" written accounts.

This is evidense, but not proof. The "Christian" God may not exist, but that does not erase the possibility of a Superior Force.

Originally posted by Templares
Theists and apparently some agnostics, dont NOTICE and/or RECOGNIZE these as proofs simply because theyre still immersed on certain (cheap and hollow) "catch all" dogmatic interpretations, such as "God works in mysterious ways".

"God works in mysterious ways" is a possibility, but when you analyze all the claims, all the scripture, and all the matter on the subject, you will discover many contradictions, much irrationality, and no clarity.

That claim that God works in mysterious ways seems more like a cop-out than an actual solution.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
(the bold portion).......not true. The very word BELIEF, implies it is not fact or truth. If it were recognized as trueh it would be a KNOWN FACT, not a BELIEF. It's obvious that the claim of "there's a diety" is not obvious because we can't see it, it's obvious because there is no evidence or any kind supporting the assertion. We've been begging you Christians for 2000 years......and the Jews longer for evidence of your diety, still none. What's taking you guys so long? Nothing......I repeat nothing in this universe is truth or fact until there is evidence to support it, therefore it is obvious your diety (or anyone elses) is not truth or fact as there is no evidence at all to support it. Put forth some evidence and that all changes..........it is entirely possible a diety could be truth or fact, if one were to ever produce the evidence supporting the assertion. They haven't so it's not. pretty simple.

And I agree, Christians, Jews, and all religions should prove the existence of their god... But not because they are naive enough to believe in their religions does it mean some atheists should be naive as well and pretend it's somehow obvious and an unwritten law that there is no supernatural being.

I really don't see the big problem. You've stated it yourself.....1 billion people......all making the same wild assertion of invisible person/people living in the sky..........why is it not one of those billion can produce any kind of evidence at all to back up this claim? Before I go out and preach to the world about my pink unicorn, I'm damn sure going to have concrete evidence of it's existence in hand to back me up.....as to not be thought a nutjob........