Originally posted by Mr ParkerHahaha. World known facts.
Matter of fact since its world known facts around the world that it was an inside job,people around the world not only hate our government here in the states but they ALSO are starting to hate the people here in the states as well-and rightly so,because they're not doing nothing about it.
Take a rock, go to the roof of a 110 story building, let the rock go. It will hit the ground in about 11 seconds.
This is virtual freefall speed. This can only be achieved when NO MASS is present.
NO MASS present in the WTC??!!?! Let us take a look.
MMM, i can see it, must have mass, ok, mass is there.
So how to get rid of all that annoying mass? Use bombs! The only way the WTC was able to collapse in 11 seconds is by using explosives.
Who is lying? Physics or the Official American Story™?
Think deeply people! You can do it!
Originally posted by Katsu
Take a rock, go to the roof of a 110 story building, let the rock go. It will hit the ground in about 11 seconds.This is virtual freefall speed. This can only be achieved when NO MASS is present.
NO MASS present in the WTC??!!?! Let us take a look.
MMM, i can see it, must have mass, ok, mass is there.
So how to get rid of all that annoying mass? Use bombs! The only way the WTC was able to collapse in 11 seconds is by using explosives.
Who is lying? Physics or the Official American Story™?
Think deeply people! You can do it!
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Originally posted by Katsu
Take a rock, go to the roof of a 110 story building, let the rock go. It will hit the ground in about 11 seconds.This is virtual freefall speed. This can only be achieved when NO MASS is present.
NO MASS present in the WTC??!!?! Let us take a look.
MMM, i can see it, must have mass, ok, mass is there.
So how to get rid of all that annoying mass? Use bombs! The only way the WTC was able to collapse in 11 seconds is by using explosives.
Who is lying? Physics or the Official American Story™?
Think deeply people! You can do it!
it wasn't true when you said it the 1st time...and it still isn't true now...some parts of the towers took 25 seconds to collapse...the only pieces that were recorded near free fall speed were exterior panels...which would fall at near free fall speeds because they had no resitance
i suggest you check you beloved video evidence
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oj-GkDJpr2Y
3:34 in...huge pieces of the tower still standing after collapse
Jaden funny thing you say that. The Official Story states: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds".
SOURCE: 9/11 Commission Report, download here and look on page 305 = http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Conclusions
In order for the tower to have collapsed "gravitationally", as we've been told over and over again, in the observed duration, one or more of the following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:
* The undamaged stories below the impact zone offered zero resistance to the collapse
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure of energy
* On 9/11, gravity was much stronger than gravity
* On 9/11, energy was not conserved
However, none of these physics-violating conditions can be accounted for by the official government conspiracy theory of 9/11, nor by any of the subsequent analyses designed to prop up the official theory of 9/11.
Bottom line: the government/PBS/PM/SA explanation for the WTC collapses fails the most basic conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government/PBS/PM/SA theory does not fit the observed facts; the notion of a "pancake collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse theory" explanation is impossible, and thus absurd.
It is utterly impossible for a "gravitational collapse" to proceed so destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near free-fall times. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the observed WTC collapses can be blamed solely upon damages resulting from aerial assaults: the unnaturally-brief durations of the highly destructive top-down collapses reveal that the towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they came down because something [else] was causing them to disintegrate.
So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse" explanation, Gates' other premise, that people know what they saw, is also incorrect. It is left to the reader to decide if his conclusion, which was based upon two incorrect presumptions, is also flawed.
The purported "gravitational collapse" (video) of World Trade Center building 7, which was hit by zero aircraft, and which also vertically collapsed in within a second of free-fall-time-in-a-vacuum later that same day, similarly fails this same conservation-of-energy analysis.
The explanation for how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this basic reality check, is beyond the scope of this simple physics discussion.
Originally posted by Katsu
Jaden funny thing you say that. The Official Story states: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds".SOURCE: 9/11 Commission Report, download here and look on page 305 = http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
from the NIST website
6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?
NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).
As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:
“… the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.
Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.”
In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.
From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.
First of all, your definition of mass Katsu is grossly wrong. I suggest you think about what you're actually saying.
Now on to more serious issues, bombs aren't the only thing that explode. The force from the plane casued vibrations. Those vibrations could cause generators to explode, and other things to explode. As I've said countless amount of times, bombs aren't the only things that explode.
Lets look at some other factors.
The world trade centre is a busy and crowded building. All those people produce a lot of energy in it.
There is a lot of air in it, which creates a lot of pressure, for example, in the room you're in, close all windows inside and inside the room on the other side of your door, make sure air can't escape. Next, try opening your door from when it's closed. It might be faint, you'll feel a force stopping you, that's from the air. Now, imagine that times a million... and imagine if it was windy, which I presume it was.
And a massive flaming hole was in each building (including WTC7). Massive flaming holes cause buildings to lose strength.
There are many other factors, but this is just a rant, so I've probably made some errors in this post. Oh well.
Structural Engineer says WTC "defied Newton's Laws"
..."The interesting fact is that each of these 110-story Twin Towers fell upon itself in about ten seconds at nearly free-fall speed. This violates Newton’s Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases."
"Even if Newton’s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn’t exist. "...
..."Contrary to the sudden collapse of the Twin Towers and Building #7, the four other smaller World Trade Center buildings #3, #4, #5, and #6, which were severely damaged and engulfed in flames on 9/11, still remained standing. There were no reports of multiple explosions. The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives) at the base of their elevator shafts. They created no huge caustic concrete/cement and asbestos dust clouds (only explosives will pulverize concrete into a fine dust cloud), and they propelled no heavy steel beams horizontally for three hundred feet or more."
SOURCE: http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/dd7cee32-a934-471b-a7fb-e86f016eaa63
Originally posted by Katsu
Structural Engineer says WTC "defied Newton's Laws"..."The interesting fact is that each of these 110-story Twin Towers fell upon itself in about ten seconds at nearly free-fall speed. This violates Newton’s Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases."
"Even if Newton’s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn’t exist. "...
..."Contrary to the sudden collapse of the Twin Towers and Building #7, the four other smaller World Trade Center buildings #3, #4, #5, and #6, which were severely damaged and engulfed in flames on 9/11, still remained standing. There were no reports of multiple explosions. The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives) at the base of their elevator shafts. They created no huge caustic concrete/cement and asbestos dust clouds (only explosives will pulverize concrete into a fine dust cloud), and they propelled no heavy steel beams horizontally for three hundred feet or more."
SOURCE: http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/dd7cee32-a934-471b-a7fb-e86f016eaa63
if only he bothered with the actual evidence eh?
and molten metal isn't a byproduct of explosives
i've changed my mind about the whole thing now...Hunter S Thompson said before he "committed suicide" that he had evidence of a conspiracy and that he thought the government was going to kill him and make it look like suicide....
and Hunter S Thompson is the the muther****in man...and therefor it must be true
Originally posted by jaden101Unless he really did commit a suicide to slander the government.
i've changed my mind about the whole thing now...Hunter S Thompson said before he "committed suicide" that he had evidence of a conspiracy and that he thought the government was going to kill him and make it look like suicide....and Hunter S Thompson is the the muther****in man...and therefor it must be true
Although, there is evidence that it wasn't a suicide, but a self-overdose.
And since when was he a conspiracy theorist?
And when did he say that?
Originally posted by lord xyz
Unless he really did commit a suicide to slander the government.Although, there is evidence that it wasn't a suicide, but a self-overdose.
And since when was he a conspiracy theorist?
And when did he say that?
He said it on the phone to Paul William Roberts the night before his death
along with the line "i know how these bastards think"
the thing that amazes me katsu on how people are in denial about it is you talk to someone about how corrupt the government and the CIA are and they'lll say -yeah I know their a corrupt organization.I know that.I know they do bad things all the time.There are conspiracys out there that I know they were involved in but this isnt one of them.I believe theres a coverup going on in area 51 and I also believe the CIA/MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX was behind the kennedy assassination.yeah I know they were behind that.But this is just stupid,they werent involved in this.
Truly amazing,I find that they say that a lot on other message boards I visit.they can admit they were involved in the kennedy assassination yet they cant admit that they were behind this.reason being is kennedy was so much longer ago that they can deal with that.This is so much more recent that they dont want to hear it so they CANT deal with this.have YOU ever had that experience in talking with people about it by chance? that they believe the CIA killed kennedy but they cant believe they were behind 9/11 as well? 🙄
Originally posted by Mr ParkerYou mean like you deny Deano's lizard theory? God it's like you think everyone else is you, and you're everyone else.
the thing that amazes me katsu on how people are in denial about it is you talk to someone about how corrupt the government and the CIA are and they'lll say -yeah I know their a corrupt organization.I know that.I know they do bad things all the time.There are conspiracys out there that I know they were involved in but this isnt one of them.I believe theres a coverup going on in area 51 and I also believe the CIA/MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX was behind the kennedy assassination.yeah I know they were behind that.But this is just stupid,they werent involved in this.Truly amazing,I find that they say that a lot on other message boards I visit.they can admit they were involved in the kennedy assassination yet they cant admit that they were behind this.reason being is kennedy was so much longer ago that they can deal with that.This is so much more recent that they dont want to hear it so they CANT deal with this.have YOU ever had that experience in talking with people about it by chance? that they believe the CIA killed kennedy but they cant believe they were behind 9/11 as well? 🙄
I don't have huge knowledge on the subject (and most of this has been posted before), but:
-How can fire destroy a steel skyscraper? It didn't before the attacks, and it hasn't since the attacks...
-How could the grass at the Pentagon have been in perfect condition when a commercial plane supposedly flew through the base of the Pentagon?
-How come they never found remains of the people on said commercial flight, and how come they never found any evidence to support that a plane of its size had flown into the Pentagon? They found a 3 foot engine, but the plane they are claiming did it needs a WAY bigger engine...
-How come the major news stations continuously played the same footage over and over again, while neglecting other footage, such as the collapse of Building 7? (which has been compared to a "demolition"😉
-Why did President Bush claim to have seen the plane go into the first tower while waiting to go into the classroom, when such footage was not even known to have existed until several hours after the towers collapsed?