Marka Ragnos vs Naga Sadow

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Huh? I'm talking about Ragnos. He may be described as the most powerful of the most powerful (and whether that statement is unrefuteable is another matter alltogether), however that doesn't make him the most powerful ever. I would imagine Luke, Nihilus, Sidious and Exar to all be more powerful.

By DN, Luke probably already is. As for Nihilus, his technique came from the likes of Ragnos, who's technique was far greater. Since the ancients created the technique they should have a defense for it. Kun may be up there but I wouldn't put him on par with the likes of Ragnos. Maybe Sadow who was below Ragnos.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
As for Nihilus, his technique came from the likes of Ragnos, who's technique was far greater. Since the ancients created the technique they should have a defense for it.

This has already been refuted in other threads.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Kun may be up there but I wouldn't put him on par with the likes of Ragnos. Maybe Sadow who was below Ragnos.

Perhaps.

When was Ragnos's technique greater? Just because you derive a technique from someone else does not mean theirs's is better

the technique in his scepter which does the exact same thing, AND gives force abilities to non force users.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
the technique in his scepter which does the exact same thing, AND gives force abilities to non force users.

Hmm, I forgot about his scepter. I'd still rate Nihilus better (look at how he tools Sion), Luke and Sidious too. Perhaps not so much Kun. Others such as Adas or even Krayt (thought I doubt it) could even be more powerful. Maybe even Bane or Plaeigis.

Why would Nihilus be better, if this is your personal opinion then fine, its not fact though. Adas was indeed powerful but the ancient sith were more powerful considering they combined sith magic with what the dark Jedi taught them. Bane? Hardly. Plagueis? He was either a magician or alchemist.

And a lot of what Adas knew likely died with him...his holocron allowed many to become stronger and was considered the pinnacle of Sith knowlegde.
And Bane's power was incredibly high, as was Plagueis's likely. Let me put it this way: Bane's hatred made manifest, his raw power, destroyed a planet and if the ritual went along as planned without the others breaking it off, he'd have wiped out the Jedi completely.

And Nihilius's wound status gives him some leeway. Tavion discovered how to use Ragnos's scepter to empower others and there's still the matter of scale and sheer power.

Luke is definately more powerful than Ragnos. He'd own Ragnos just as easy as he'd own the likes of Kun and Sidious in single combat, and I'd put those two on par with Ragnos - at the very least.

Will I disagree completely with Escape, by DN Luke is already the most powerful being ever.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Will I disagree completely with Escape, by DN Luke is already the most powerful being ever.

What the hell? Go back and re-read what I said. More carefully.

Originally posted by Escape81
Luke is definately more powerful than Ragnos. He'd own Ragnos just as easy as he'd own the likes of Kun and Sidious in single combat, and I'd put those two on par with Ragnos - at the very least.

I did, and I disagree with your statement of "Luke will easily own Ragnos", and "I put Ragnos with Kun and Sidious at the very least".

The thing is: Current Luke will easily own them, too

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Why would Nihilus be better, if this is your personal opinion then fine, its not fact though. Adas was indeed powerful but the ancient sith were more powerful considering they combined sith magic with what the dark Jedi taught them. Bane? Hardly. Plagueis? He was either a magician or alchemist.

The way he pwns Sion in KotOR.

Where does it say he's the best of the best? Link please? I appreciate it.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Where does it say he's the best of the best? Link please? I appreciate it.

Most powerful of the most powerful

Yeah, okay, where?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Jedi:_The_Golden_Age_of_the_Sith

Wikipedia, not a valid source. Read it now.

Where is it in the comic, I mean?

My copy is currently in my car, check SWComics.com. And its explanation of GAOTS doesnt contradict anything.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything. Oh yeah, and on wiki it says the most politically powerful Sith.