Originally posted by ThePittman
What the question would be is how fast did it take him to do this?
The answer is that it didnt take him over a year (It probably took him a couple of seconds or an hour, but it didnt take him long since he came back to that earth and it was almost unchanged.) which is still faster than the speed of light. If he was only going the speed of light it would take him a couple million years to do it.
Originally posted by thedude1948I’m not saying how fast it took him for the journey or the top speed, I’m saying how fast it took him to get going. Superman thinks about going light speed and then he is, if Nate has to build up power or think to activate this ability then Superman would have already hit him.
The answer is that it didnt take him over a year (It probably took him a couple of seconds or an hour, but it didnt take him long since he came back to that earth and it was almost unchanged.) which is still faster than the speed of light. If he was only going the speed of light it would take him a couple million years to do it.
I still can’t believe I’m arguing for Superman. 😱
Originally posted by ThePittman
I’m not saying how fast it took him for the journey or the top speed, I’m saying how fast it took him to get going. Superman thinks about going light speed and then he is, if Nate has to build up power or think to activate this ability then Superman would have already hit him.
He would need to react to stop.... That shows he can react as fast or if not faster than Superman.
Also the edge of the universe is 15 billion light years (last paragraph) that shows that Nate is way faster than the speed of light.
No it doesn’t, just because he thinks about stopping doesn’t mean that he reacts faster then the speed of light. The speed of thought in a normal human is only 30 m/s and while traveling at that speed his frame or reference may be different than someone viewing him on the ground, for him the perception of time could be altered and the graphics doesn’t explain this.
Superman has also been shown to travel between galaxies which would also take multiples the speed of light to do. The top speed is not a factor in this but how quickly they can obtain this speed.
Originally posted by ThePittmanThan how do you explain how he stopped exactly where he needed to go other than thinking at speeds faster than the speed of light...
No it doesn’t, just because he thinks about stopping doesn’t mean that he reacts faster then the speed of light. The speed of thought in a normal human is only 30 m/s and while traveling at that speed his frame or reference may be different than someone viewing him on the ground, for him the perception of time could be altered and the graphics doesn’t explain this.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Superman has also been shown to travel between galaxies which would also take multiples the speed of light to do. The top speed is not a factor in this but how quickly they can obtain this speed.
Travelling at the speed of light insinuates that he can think at least as fast as that, since if he couldnt he wouldnt be exactly where he needed to be, or he would have slammed into a couple of planets, or stars on the way there or possibly went through a black hole into somewhere he wasnt planning on going.
The scan also shows that after Nate cuts off his psi-link with the people in the city he left almost instantly.
Originally posted by thedude1948I already did explain this, in the reference of him going at the speed of light that his time is probably altered or that like a navigation system he thinks where he wants to go and then gets there. For Marvel I don’t know any character that travels faster then the speed of light, even Surfer has to go into another dimension to travel faster then light. Also from what I know of him it’s more of a transport then actual flight, like traveling between dimensions.
Than how do you explain how he stopped exactly where he needed to go other than thinking at speeds faster than the speed of light...Travelling at the speed of light insinuates that he can think at least as fast as that, since if he couldnt he wouldnt be exactly where he needed to be, or he would have slammed into a couple of planets, or stars on the way there or possibly went through a black hole into somewhere he wasnt planning on going.
The scan also shows that after Nate cuts off his psi-link with the people in the city he left almost instantly.
Also if either Superman or Nate thought at light speed then how would they ever be surprised by anything.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I already did explain this, in the reference of him going at the speed of light that his time is probably altered or that like a navigation system he thinks where he wants to go and then gets there. For Marvel I don’t know any character that travels faster then the speed of light, even Surfer has to go into another dimension to travel faster then light. Also from what I know of him it’s more of a transport then actual flight, like traveling between dimensions.Also if either Superman or Nate thought at light speed then how would they ever be surprised by anything.
It doesnt say exactly how he left the universe, but from the scans you can see he left almost instantly and all that was left over was a blue energy line. There was an energy line behind him in the last scan also, this shows he was at least moving and that it wasnt just a teleport. The navigation thing might be right... if Nate was an airplane.
If they both think at light speed, they shouldnt be suprised by anything.
And if Nate travels the same way as the Surfer does, that is possible. But if he is as fast as the Surfer he shouldnt be getting speedblitzed either.
All im trying to show with those scans is that he is fast enough NOT to get speedblitzed, he has proven he is fast enough not to many times...
Well no human character thinks at the speed of light unless it stated that they have altered their brain in that fashion, the only ones that I know of that can are ones like Cable that can access the Infonet. Marvel likes to keep their powers based in some type of reality unlike DC. It is no question that the fastest is Flash and his knock offs that can react at the speed of thought and I have never seen any reference to Superman thinking and acting at those speeds, if this was true then Flash would be nothing to Supes and he could see him no matter how fast he was going.
If Nate can teleport as fast as Sup can go light speed then it is a different issue but teleporting out of the battle is a no no from my understanding of the rules.
Originally posted by endrictThis is a battle, not a debate, they are trying to beat each other up for some reason or another so talking is out of the equation.
This ain't a damn race,the point is that sups can move faster then nate can think.BUT...... SUPERMAN WILL TRY AND TALK NATE OUT OF A FIGHT NOT ATTACK HIM RIGHT AWAY. IN THAT TIME NATE WILL KICK HIS ASS.
NATE WINS....
Originally posted by ThePittmanAnd Green Lanterns.
Well no human character thinks at the speed of light unless it stated that they have altered their brain in that fashion, the only ones that I know of that can are ones like Cable that can access the Infonet. Marvel likes to keep their powers based in some type of reality unlike DC. It is no question that the fastest is Flash and his knock offs that can react at the speed of thought and I have never seen any reference to Superman thinking and acting at those speeds, if this was true then Flash would be nothing to Supes and he could see him no matter how fast he was going.If Nate can teleport as fast as Sup can go light speed then it is a different issue but teleporting out of the battle is a no no from my understanding of the rules.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Well no human character thinks at the speed of light unless it stated that they have altered their brain in that fashion, the only ones that I know of that can are ones like Cable that can access the Infonet.
Originally posted by ThePittmanThan Superman cant think at those levels...
Marvel likes to keep their powers based in some type of reality unlike DC. It is no question that the fastest is Flash and his knock offs that can react at the speed of thought and I have never seen any reference to Superman thinking and acting at those speeds, if this was true then Flash would be nothing to Supes and he could see him no matter how fast he was going.
Originally posted by ThePittman
If Nate can teleport as fast as Sup can go light speed then it is a different issue but teleporting out of the battle is a no no from my understanding of the rules.
Who says Nate is teleporting... he can move as fast as Supes.
