Originally posted by jinzin
are you joking? 😐
Apparently you didn't read the issue than
Originally posted by jinzin
and he didn't fight back.. even when he had the oppurtunity...
We established that, but before he was upside down Sasquatch didn't give have him the opportunity to fight back. How could he?
Originally posted by tkitnawolverine shrugs off colossus punches, wolverine's been blown up on multiple occasions and kept fighting like nothing happened.. is he then too invulnerable?
When I see a character that takes a shot from Colossus and another shot from 6 grenades directly to the face and just shrugs them off like nothing ever happened, I tend to feel that he is somewhat invulernable,
Originally posted by tkitnafunny, it seemed to do JUST THAT, when sabretooth scored a hit on him....
or at least somewhat enough that even after being stabbed by Wolverine, he isnt going to flinch enough to stop him from doing what he started to do. Another words, being stabbed by Wolverine isnt going to stop Sasquatch in his tracks. The fight would continue as it was before.
Originally posted by tkitna
Because Wolverine doesnt have admantium cartlidge. Theres no reason why the spine cant be pulled apart in any continuity. Plus, werent we talking about the Wolverine that had his admantium taken away? (I cant remember what part of the debate this statement came from.
Originally posted by tkitna
Yes, its the same reason we are having this debate. Sasquatch is so far above Sabertooth that any win for him would be PIS.
what you said:
Originally posted by tkitna
Sabertooth even harming Sasquatch is PIS. Wendigo I can understand.
well, now you're a hypocrite.. how's it feel?
anyhow, Sasquatch has a great strength advantage over sabretooth, and that's it, sabes has the unbreakable bones, the superior healing factor (as far as I know), the superior skills, hyperactive senses, possibly even greater speed. why does greater strength equate to an instant win for you? as I thought before you have no actual reason to believe what you believe you just fall back on "PIS" as your safe heaven when you've got nothin else to contribute.
Originally posted by tkitnawell what you think is irrelivant considering that there's an abundance of existing evidence that declares otherwise.
Because I dont think that Wolverine would or should be in any shape to continue jumping and slicing around after he takes a shot from a class 100 hero.
Originally posted by tkitnait isn't hard to understand, the problem is that your argument gives sasquatch and indeed any class 100 the benefit of the doubt in regards to how okay they'll be after taking a shot from wolverine... you're argument isn't hard to understand, it's simply hard to accept...
I agree that Wolverine would get a shot in if Sasquatch grabbed him, but I dont believe Wolverine can kill him or injure him enough with a one shot to stop Sasquatch from coninuosly bashing off of trees. It shouldnt be that hard to understand.
Originally posted by tkitnaso haveing three foot long blades eviserate his arm isn't going to loosen his grip?
No, he can probably damage his arm, but I dont think it will be enough damage to even slow Sasquatch down.
Originally posted by tkitnahardly; he was still on his feet, still concious, and still ready to fight back.
Wolverine was clearly as close to a vegetable as one could be in at least two panels and if Wonderman wasnt stopped, i'm pretty sure Wolverine would have been out cold if Simon hit him in the face with that rock.
Originally posted by tkitnano that's not the argument, you're strawmanning now, stay on topic... the point was AGAIN, if he has to cheat, then he can't win straight up... how hard is THAT to understand hmm?
Thats crap. Your going to sit there and tell me that Wolverine, Spiderman, Captain America, Superman, etc,,,has never cheated to win a fight?
Originally posted by tkitnaactually on this forum.. it is... unless otherwise stated.. 😬
Hell, if cheating was never in the equation, I suppose Batman and his prep has to be dismissed then right?
Originally posted by tkitnaagain I don't disagree.. but one hit isn't going to do what you're hoping it would. hell a score won't be doing that.. and again these hits aren't exactly going to go unanswered...
Because with each hit, Wolverine should become weaker and weaker regardless of his healing factor. Sure, Wolverine could heal after time, but these are hits from a class 100 hero, not some street leveler ninja.
Originally posted by tkitnathis statement doesn't even make sense..
Bringing physics into the world of comics is tuff, but if you dont, why do they even have class 20, 30 50, 100 heros. You might as well make everybody the same level.
Originally posted by tkitnasince wolverine's been doing it since the early 80's I'm going to dismiss this entirely...
Wolverine not being able to be killed,,,,,I know for a fact that everybody that reads comics loves that cop out. Thats the most retarded thing marvel ever did and the writer who thought up that idea should be fired on the spot.
Originally posted by tkitnaare you REALLY this dense? he's not getting his head ripped off. 😐
Getting his head ripped off should be a real factor.
Originally posted by tkitnaactually spiderman beating firelord wasn't really bad writing, a lot of people might claim that it is, but the fact of the matter is that firelord basically set himself up to lose that fight, in any case, no this isn't really that bad of writing, with wolverine's denser muscle tissue (x times that of a peak human) and his denser bones plus un upgraded healing factor he should be perfectly fine. hell sabretooth was back in the day.
Also earlier you spoke about Wolverine taking on class 70 characters all day long even without his admantium,,,,yeah I can see that. One character that has the strenght to lift 800 to 1000 lbs. fighting numerous characters that can lift 70 tons? If there was ever a case of writing worse than Spiderman beating Firelord, that was it.
Originally posted by tkitna
Again, being hurt by Sabertooth is crap writing. Wendigo I can agree with as he also should be able to put Wolverine down whenever he wants, so a fight with sasquatch is more believable.
Originally posted by tkitna
Faster, stroner, and more agile,,,and I think he has proven he's better.
Originally posted by tkitna
Spiderman/Firelord, Wolverine/Hulk, Galactus ever losing to earth bound heros, etc,,,,. They fall into the same category.
no they don't... firelord set him self up for a fall, wolverine's been fighting hulk since his first damn appearance, he was CREATED to be a hulk villain, earthbound heroes are the go to guys for taking on the likes of thanos, titanus.. galactus is hardly any different.
Originally posted by tkitnaas I said before you know jack shit about wolverine, if you think his ability to take on class 100 is out of character... fighting hulk and downing wendigo in his first appearance was hardly in the name of wolverine's popularity.. you're points as skewed as your wit.
tell you to take it as it is, because when one reads a title for a debate like this, he immediately thinks to himself thats its retarded and its so one sided, but then again, lets grab all the comics that have Wolverine doing things so out of character just to boost his popularity up and we'll use those feats to argue. See my point.
Originally posted by King_MungiI read it, he wasn't going to fight anybody..
Apparently you didn't read the issue than
Originally posted by King_Mungiexactly, it was a sneak attack.
We established that, but before he was upside down Sasquatch didn't give have him the opportunity to fight back. How could he?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, Shaman brought him there to fight as stated.
Originally posted by King_Mungiyou can know you're gonna be met by some hostility all you want, but if you go into a dark cave and someone jumps you from behind it's STILL a sneak attack, I can't believe how horribly bias you're being here.
Not really, how can it be a sneak attack when Wolveine knew what was going on the entire time.
Originally posted by jinzin
which is why he gave him the grub to break the spell right? pffft.. please it wasn't a fight, nor was it intended to be one..you can know you're gonna be met by some hostility all you want, but if you go into a dark cave and someone jumps you from behind it's STILL a sneak attack, I can't believe how horribly bias you're being here.
Actually it was, as the reason why Wolverine was brought here to directly fight the earthly manifestation of the Demon Shaman. He was definetly looking for a fight
Me bias? every single Wolverine thread you automatically states he win. Sasquatch is an Elder God yet you still believe he can take him no problem. My god read the comic, Wolverine wasn't in a cave and was completly in the open and knew Sasquatch was around and stated in the comic he was having a hard time pin-pointing Sasquatch. He was looking for him.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually it was, as the reason why Wolverine was brought here to directly fight the earthly manifestation of the Demon Shaman. He was definetly looking for a fight
Originally posted by King_Mungipfffft please... that's hardly what I do, half the threads I defend wolvie in I don't even claim a winner... I simply defend the guy for his feats, or argue against misrepresented one's... like in this tread, I haven't stated that wolverine wins so I don't see where you got that crap... what i'm doing is arguing facts.. nothing more.
Me bias? every single Wolverine thread you automatically states he win.
Originally posted by King_Mungiagain: QUOTE ME ON THIS... oh that's right you can't.. cause I haven't stated wolverine wins.. much less no problem.... I'm simply stating facts...
Sasquatch is an Elder God yet you still believe he can take him no problem.
to be honest I don't know who would win, I'd like to see some actual fights between the two instead of repeated sneak attacks, but right now the evidence isn't boding well in sas's favor. and don't throw that god crap at me, he may have plenty of potential but how often does he realize that potential? I mean christ, when people like freakout are taking damage from sas and keep coming... 😕
Originally posted by King_MungiI've read it, sorry it's been a while I thought it was in a cave.. that dude drew some craptastic trees imo. in any case it was still a sneak attack no matter what way you look at it.
My god read the comic, Wolverine wasn't in a cave and was completly in the open and knew Sasquatch was around and stated in the comic he was having a hard time pin-pointing Sasquatch. He was looking for him.
Originally posted by tkitnahmmm wellllllll....IT PROBABLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I'VE READ THE REST OF THE COMIC, DUH!...Yeah, Wolverine looks like he's full of piss and vinegar to me too. 😉
How can you look at that scan and say Wolverine was on his feet and ready to fight?
the point of the matter is that the fight could have changed momentum as easily as it is to say snikt.... it happened to hulk, it'd happen to wonderman... I mean damn, the guy's been owned by a 3rd class assassin like splice but you think wolvie's gonna be at his wits end with this guy?
I believe the main point of that Wonder Man encounter is that Wolverine wasn't able to fight back as long as Simon was still pounding him (which can be clearly seen in lower left-hand panel. He's not in the right mind to fight back at all).
He was only still standing because someone stopped WM from continuing his beating.
Originally posted by Accel
I believe the main point of that Wonder Man encounter is that Wolverine wasn't able to fight back as long as Simon was still pounding him (which can be clearly seen in lower left-hand panel. He's not in the right mind to fight back at all).He was only still standing because someone stopped WM from continuing his beating.
la-di-da! wolverine wasn't able to fight back from somebody who attacked him from behind....
again.. as for the last couple of panels... yes wolverine is staggered, bloodied, beaten.... however... it's as much speculation that wm would have downed him by the next hit, as it is to say that wolverine could RAISE HIS ARM AND SNIKT... really would it be THAT difficult to do? I mean he's done it against hulk, but not wonderman?
he had the stamina to remain standing after that but he doesn't have the strength to raise an arm?
sorry I just don't see it.
in any case the feat in question is another sneak attack posing as a fight plain and simple.. but does that mean that wonder man would have all those unanswered hits in a real fight? considering that splice outfought him to the point that he felt any move he made was going to play into splices hands... probably not.
Originally posted by jinzin
no he wasn't... even if that WAS shaman's intention; and I can hardly see how that could even be....IT WASN"T WOLVERINE'S.... again I fil to see how you can argue this when it was clearly shown that given the oppurtunity to FIGHT BACK... wolverine didn't... 😕pfffft please... that's hardly what I do, half the threads I defend wolvie in I don't even claim a winner... I simply defend the guy for his feats, or argue against misrepresented one's... like in this tread, I haven't stated that wolverine wins so I don't see where you got that crap... what i'm doing is arguing facts.. nothing more.
again: QUOTE ME ON THIS... oh that's right you can't.. cause I haven't stated wolverine wins.. much less no problem.... I'm simply stating facts...
to be honest I don't know who would win, I'd like to see some actual fights between the two instead of repeated sneak attacks, but right now the evidence isn't boding well in sas's favor. and don't throw that god crap at me, he may have plenty of potential but how often does he realize that potential? I mean christ, when people like freakout are taking damage from sas and keep coming... 😕
I've read it, sorry it's been a while I thought it was in a cave.. that dude drew some craptastic trees imo. in any case it was still a sneak attack no matter what way you look at it.
Actually yes it was Wolverine's he even states in the comic he is ready to fight multiple times. So no. Ok? I never said he didn't.
And yet I'm not the only one who claims the exact same thing. Facts is Sasquatch at his best which we go by this board can become an Elder God very quickly as it took seconds when Snowbird attacked him in volume.1
Actually I can, you state Wolverine can basically slash him like nothing. However, he has shown to catch people far faster than Wolverine.
Every single time he transforms into Sasquatch as stated Tanaraq takes control by the longer he remains transformed and if he experiences pain or rage. Actually the evidence is not bodding well for Wolverine, notice your the only one debating Wolverine "chances"
Facts as stated, Wolverine isn't taking an Elder God. As you stated he can simply slash Sasquatch and get the advantage...hardly accurate.
Wasn't a true sneak attack as he was expecting Sasquatch and knew there would be a fight and knew Sasquatch was coming he was even looking for him.