Telepathy vs Psionic Manipulation

Which attack works the fastest?

Shutting down someones brain via Telepathy or Summoning a Bolt of lightning via Psionic Manipulation.

I have found make that 3 people(All Storm fans) on these boards that say telepathy does not work at the speed of thought.

Discuss.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Which attack works the fastest?

Shutting down someones brain via Telepathy or Summoning a Bolt of lightning via Psionic Manipulation.

I have found two people on these boards that say telepathy does not work work at the speed of thought.

Discuss.

It depends on what is being Psoniclly manipulated, in this case, a bolt of lighting, (although not slow in the very least) would be much slower then then shutting off someones brain, even if it just took a millisecond longer. Look at it like this.

A. Time to shut off someones brain=Speed of thought

B. Time to summon a bolt of lighting=Speed of thought+time for the bolt of lighting to reach the target

So it this case, even though both will be thinking at the same speed, Person B's brain will be shut off first, if their lighting bolt is still summoned, Person A still has a chance to dodge it, the bolt could miss or just vanish since it was summoned, because the summoner is a vegetable at this point.

But in a different scenario, lets say, Person B has to the power to psoniclly manipulate, lets say reality, Person B stands a much better chance.

A. Time to shut off someones brain=Speed of thought

B. Time to manipulate another person into jello=Speed of thought

So I would say in case 2, it just comes down to who wants it more, is person B highly immune to telepathic assaults, enough to slow person A down just a tad? Or is person "A" a God? Capable of toying with the minds of cosmics beings?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
It depends on what is being Psoniclly manipulated, in this case, a bolt of lighting, (although not slow in the very least) would be much slower then then shutting off someones brain, even if it just took a millisecond longer. Look at it like this.

A. Time to shut off someones brain=Speed of thought

B. Time to summon a bolt of lighting=Speed of thought+[b]time for the bolt of lighting to reach the target

So it this case, even though both will be thinking at the same speed, Person B's brain will be shut off first, if their lighting bolt is still summoned, Person A still has a chance to dodge it, the bolt could miss or just vanish since it was summoned, because the summoner is a vegetable at this point.

But in a different scenario, lets say, Person B has to the power to psoniclly manipulate, lets say reality, Person B stands a much better chance.

A. Time to shut off someones brain=Speed of thought

B. Time to manipulate another person into jello=Speed of thought

So I would say in case 2, it just comes down to who wants it more, is person B highly immune to telepathic assaults, enough to slow person A down just a tad? Or is person "A" a God? Capable of toying with the minds of cosmics beings? [/B]

Thanks for the input. However those 3 people are saying that telepathy has never shown to act at the speed of thought in the comics. They say it takes longer to shut off someones brain.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Thanks for the input. However those 3 people are saying that telepathy has never shown to act at the speed of thought in the comics. They say it takes longer to shut off someones brain.

They are partly right.
Tp in comics is normally a process.
Tp usage in comics normally includes a boast about the power of the mind, some grimacing and finally success.
About 2-5 minutes long.
It is faster to simply shoot a bolt of lightning out to ko the tper.

Originally posted by UniOmni
They are partly right.
Tp in comics is normally a process.
Tp usage in comics normally includes a boast about the power of the mind, some grimacing and finally success.
About 2-5 minutes long.
It is faster to simply shoot a bolt of lightning out to ko the tper.

2-5 minutes? What about shutting off messing with someones brain...
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Originally posted by UniOmni
They are partly right.
Tp in comics is normally a process.
Tp usage in comics normally includes a boast about the power of the mind, some grimacing and finally success.
About 2-5 minutes long.
It is faster to simply shoot a bolt of lightning out to ko the tper.

Even still, that doesnt work on these forums. Telepaths have shown in comcis to shut off peoples minds and powers at will, like you said there is a bunch of talking that last for 2-5 pages, but here we have to remove all that. If a telepath thinks something, it happens, just like that. So if a telepath wants to mndwipe someone, its going to happen the instant they think it, without the rambling on for 2-5 pages.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Thanks for the input. However those 3 people are saying that telepathy has never shown to act at the speed of thought in the comics. They say it takes longer to shut off someones brain.

too many times to call we've seen a telepath especially powerfull ones like phoenix mindwiping. Invariably the mindwipee gasps

"what are you doing ta' me?!?"

"get outta my mind"

"NNngg"

"Aaaaiiee!"

then all is quiet.

Case Study on the other SIDE .

Psionic Manipulator Dr Cecilia Reyes TK shields
"seems to have a mind of its own."

As seen in Operation Zero Tolerance resucitating a Prime Sentinel [unawares] at Mercy General Hospital,

the shield/protective aura rose before the psionic manipulator's concious thought proccess registered a threat,

Originally posted by Apolloknight
It depends on what is being Psoniclly manipulated, in this case, a bolt of lighting, (although not slow in the very least) would be much slower then then shutting off someones brain, even if it just took a millisecond longer. Look at it like this.

A. Time to shut off someones brain=Speed of thought

B. Time to summon a bolt of lighting=Speed of thought+[b]time for the bolt of lighting to reach the target

So it this case, even though both will be thinking at the same speed, Person B's brain will be shut off first, if their lighting bolt is still summoned, Person A still has a chance to dodge it, the bolt could miss or just vanish since it was summoned, because the summoner is a vegetable at this point.

But in a different scenario, lets say, Person B has to the power to psoniclly manipulate, lets say reality, Person B stands a much better chance.

A. Time to shut off someones brain=Speed of thought

B. Time to manipulate another person into jello=Speed of thought

So I would say in case 2, it just comes down to who wants it more, is person B highly immune to telepathic assaults, enough to slow person A down just a tad? Or is person "A" a God? Capable of toying with the minds of cosmics beings? [/B]

It all depends on if the person being mind wiped has a strong will.

If he/she doesn't, then Telepathy wins out, if she does, then a battle of wills ensue, thus taking time, and allowing TK to pick up the win via a lightning bolt or disembodiment.

**FI**

Originally posted by Juntai
You left out RESISTANCE in your factors of comparing shutting mind down to summoning lightning. Mentally dominating and shutting someone down requires you to beat their will. You don't have to mentally out-macho anyone when you're summoning lightning.

You beat me to it.

Originally posted by Juntai
You left out RESISTANCE in your factors of comparing shutting mind down to summoning lightning. Mentally dominating and shutting someone down requires you to beat their will. You don't have to mentally out-macho anyone when you're summoning lightning.

Good call.

Originally posted by Juntai
You left out RESISTANCE in your factors of comparing shutting mind down to summoning lightning. Mentally dominating and shutting someone down requires you to beat their will. You don't have to mentally out-macho anyone when you're summoning lightning.

Originally posted by Juntai
You left out RESISTANCE in your factors of comparing shutting mind down to summoning lightning. Mentally dominating and shutting someone down requires you to beat their will. You don't have to mentally out-macho anyone when you're summoning lightning.

I agree with you too. If the person has a naturally strong will then they have a chance of resisting telepathy. If said person also has an ability that interferes with telepathy, then their chance of defending themselves go even higher.

In short, telepathy is not an instant win, if it was the X-Men wouldn't have as many battles as they do.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You can't resist attack on subconscious functions. Motor control. Orgasms. Pain centres. Epileptic fit. "Shut down."

It depends on who your talking about.

Example: Jean using Cerebra couldn't get into Storm's pleasure center (That sounds so nasty, now that I think about.😛)

co-sign..........Telepaths would "never" lose if thought equaled actrion, unless in extreme cases where it was a high-end tp battling a weak individual or taking over some1 who was completely unaware of an impending assault........

Originally posted by HandOfFate
It depends on who your talking about.

Example: Jean using Cerebra couldn't get into Storm's pleasure center (That sounds so nasty, now that I think about.😛)

Psi-blast. Storm goes down. As she has before.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You can't resist attack on subconscious functions. Motor control. Orgasms. Pain centres. Epileptic fit. "Shut down."

Here we go again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]From across the globe and Jean was trying to access taste through a psychic probe. She wasn't issuing a psychic command.

Are we talking about the same Jean who stored the Professor entier consciousness within her own and the split it across the world using Cereba?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Emergency shut down!" Esme to Sage who actually has telepathic powers and uses them to block others from controlling her.

That comes more from the fact that Grant consider Sage more of a computer then a telepath. Read the story again, you will see he didn't write her as a telepath.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Are we talking about the same Jean who stored the Professor entier consciousness within her own and the split it across the world using Cereba?

Originally posted by HandOfFate
That comes more from the fact that Grant consider Sage more of a computer then a telepath. Read the story again, you will see he didn't write her as a telepath.

Originally posted by don't shiv
Here we go again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Probably not since she began accessing Phoenix power in that arch. Unless you think Phoenix Jean can't defeat Storm.

Look at you trying to change the conversation.😛

[QUOTE=7099212]Originally posted by HandOfFate
[B]I agree with you too. If the person has a naturally strong will then they have a chance of resisting telepathy. If said person also has an ability that interferes with telepathy, then their chance of defending themselves go even higher.

In short, telepathy is not an instant win, if it was the X-Men wouldn't have as many battles as they do.

It Depends on who your talking about.

Exactly, Reference Mutant Massacre files

Sabretooth is shrugging off Psylockes telepathy Psylocke elicts the aid of WOLVERINE & A Posse of X-men to distract Sabretooth by engaging him in physical combat, coz " his natural defenses are too high"

Then theres the scene in Cable "Fathers & Sons" where Stryfe scythes Syrin with a vicious psi blast then observes how Siryn lacks basic skills in psychic defense."

LIKE HAND OF FATE said the effectiveness of Telepathy in combat is consistent with the degree to which the antagonist is drilled in defence.

veterans like Mr Sinister, Apocalypse, Batman, Gambit, Storm, "Rogue", "The Skorrn", "Irene Merryweather" "Magneto", "Juggernaught" have various defense mechanisms against Telepaths.