Telepathy vs Psionic Manipulation

Originally posted by don't shiv
Random & Systemic Uncertainty

Not really I just realized that we forgot one little thing about Storms powers.

She thinks and manipulates weather patterns inorder to generate lightning.

So it's actually Speed of thought + Speed of Weather Patterns + Speed of Light.

BTW Since the speed of weather patterns differ from place to place and Storm manipulates weather patterns it should be assumed that the Weather patterns move at their optimum speed.

So as said before the process of activating the manipulation is at the speed of thought, but the production of the bolt is at the speed of weather patterns + the speed of light.

Lightning doesn't travel at the speed of light.

The Energies of Lightning Exist in the Visible Light spectrum.

Ergo

Light-ning = Light Speed

Lightning, per se, is an electrical discharge, with particles of matter (electrons) moving at about 0.5 cee. This aspect of lightning is not visible. What one sees is the light being generated from the air being superheated (to about 50,000oF) superfast by this electrical energy--that part moves at lightspeed, but not the 1-10 gigawatts of electricity itself.

btw, just as a point of interest: some lightning bolts, sometimes called "superbolts," generate about 100 gW of power: enough to light up the whole Eastern seaboard of the USA. Pretty impressive, I think.

Shocking.

😂

Originally posted by Juntai
You left out RESISTANCE in your factors of comparing shutting mind down to summoning lightning. Mentally dominating and shutting someone down requires you to beat their will. You don't have to mentally out-macho anyone when you're summoning lightning.

In Uncanny #292, Jean and Colossus confront MeMe, who’s absorbed several victims into his body. He suddenly stops speaking and his victims fall from him. Colossus says what happened and Jean says, “I happened.” He was stalling for time so that his victims would become a part of him permanently. She says that she didn’t have the time to be subtle, so she turned his mine off. It was instantaneous.

In Unlimited #27 Thunderbird was losing control of his powers. Suddenly they stopped because Jean turned them off.

In both of these instances there was no fanfare, no announcement before Jean acted. She made a decision, and that became the action.

Here’s my question: How do these arguments stand in relation to the type of action and distance? For example, if a TP establishes a mind link with opponents, aren’t the thoughts that are transmitted done so as soon as they are formed? There appears to be simultaneous. What about when Cerebra is used? Even though a TP may formulate a thought in NYC, when Cerebra is used, distance doesn’t seem to matter.

What about telepathic reports like the ones that Jean/Scott and Xavier/Lilandra have (especially the latter)? If Lilandra is millions of miles away, is there a time lag in Xavier’s thoughts?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Lightning doesn't travel at the speed of light.

Originally posted by Mindship
Lightning, per se, is an electrical discharge, with particles of matter (electrons) moving at about 0.5 cee. This aspect of lightning is not visible. What one sees is the light being generated from the air being superheated (to about 50,000oF) superfast by this electrical energy--that part moves at lightspeed, but not the 1-10 gigawatts of electricity itself.

btw, just as a point of interest: some lightning bolts, sometimes called "superbolts," generate about 100 gW of power: enough to light up the whole Eastern seaboard of the USA. Pretty impressive, I think.

I just did some googling and I found out you guys are right....it doesn't move at the speed of light....now that's pretty shocking....in fact it's much slower then the speed of light...

http://lecglobal.com/Lightning%20101/lightning_glossary.htm
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00189.htm
http://wsx.lanl.gov/Publications/lightning_bolt.html
http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/qa/listing.php?id=533

Lightning travels in a zig-zag fashion where the speeds of the downward stroke is different to the upward stroke.
The much faster return stroke goes up the channel opened by the downward stroke at almost 1/3 of the speed of light.

Plus remember that the electrons actually have a flow and are travelling through a dense medium. So the flow of electrons in a bolt of lightning does not travel near the speed of light.

I guess you learn something everyday..

Now what about weather patterns how fast do they move?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
In Uncanny #292, Jean and Colossus confront MeMe, who’s absorbed several victims into his body. He suddenly stops speaking and his victims fall from him. Colossus says what happened and Jean says, “I happened.” He was stalling for time so that his victims would become a part of him permanently. She says that she didn’t have the time to be subtle, so she turned his mine off. It was instantaneous.

In Unlimited #27 Thunderbird was losing control of his powers. Suddenly they stopped because Jean turned them off.

In both of these instances there was no fanfare, no announcement before Jean acted. She made a decision, and that became the action.

Here’s my question: How do these arguments stand in relation to the type of action and distance? For example, if a TP establishes a mind link with opponents, aren’t the thoughts that are transmitted done so as soon as they are formed? There appears to be simultaneous. What about when Cerebra is used? Even though a TP may formulate a thought in NYC, when Cerebra is used, distance doesn’t seem to matter.

What about telepathic reports like the ones that Jean/Scott and Xavier/Lilandra have (especially the latter)? If Lilandra is millions of miles away, is there a time lag in Xavier’s thoughts?

Very true there's more evidence of this phenomenon on the previous page.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not really I just realized that we forgot one little thing about Storms powers.

She thinks and manipulates weather patterns inorder to generate lightning.

So it's actually Speed of thought + Speed of Weather Patterns + Speed of Light.

BTW Since the speed of weather patterns differ from place to place and Storm manipulates weather patterns it should be assumed that the Weather patterns move at their optimum speed.

So as said before the process of activating the manipulation is at the speed of thought, but the production of the bolt is at the speed of weather patterns + the speed of light.

Can't Storm generate lighting from within herself? I think I've seen her do it before, without calling it down from the sky beforehand.

**FI**

Originally posted by FireIncarnate
Can't Storm generate lighting from within herself? I think I've seen her do it before, without calling it down from the sky beforehand.

**FI**

She can,
The question is would that count as prep because that's stored electrical energy in her body? And how does that work? Is it stored electrical energy or is it chemical energy being converted into electrical energy which would make the process even slower.

It's still thought + projection + speed of electron current right? It would be the same as any other projectile attack.

what do PIS and CIS mean

Originally posted by don't shiv
what do PIS and CIS mean

on it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She can,
The question is would that count as prep because that's stored electrical energy in her body? And how does that work? Is it stored electrical energy or is it chemical energy being converted into electrical energy which would make the process even slower.

It's still thought + projection + speed of electron current right? It would be the same as any other projectile attack.

I think it would be stored, because she has instantly emmited lightning from her hands before. If it isn't then she would have to electrify her molecules to emit the lightning, and you are therefore correct in saying it would take longer.

**FI**

Dr Essex is the authority on this subject.

Originally posted by Mindship
Lightning, per se, is an electrical discharge, with particles of matter (electrons) moving at about 0.5 cee. This aspect of lightning is not visible. What one sees is the light being generated from the air being superheated (to about 50,000oF) superfast by this electrical energy--that part moves at lightspeed, but not the 1-10 gigawatts of electricity itself.

btw, just as a point of interest: some lightning bolts, sometimes called "superbolts," generate about 100 gW of power: enough to light up the whole Eastern seaboard of the USA. Pretty impressive, I think.