Originally posted by xmeat
wonder woman pulled it off so supes and hulk should as well.
In the comics sure in a heart beat
but on KMC the characters don't have all the same plot imposed limits. Frankly if Wally was smarter than he is he would have cleared the planet of every minor criminal by now. The majority of Flashes losses are due to CIS (I refuse to believe that the Flash looses so much due to PIS).
In general I would say he can take a majority against anyone w/o magic or psy.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In the comics sure in a heart beatbut on KMC the characters don't have all the same plot imposed limits. Frankly if Wally was smarter than he is he would have cleared the planet of every minor criminal by now. The majority of Flashes losses are due to CIS (I refuse to believe that the Flash looses so much due to PIS).
In general I would say he can take a majority against anyone w/o magic or psy.
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
isn't CIS not banned in KMC though?
Originally posted by darthgoober
The thing is that Flash isn't really considered as CIS around here, it's considered PIS. So it might feasible to rule out things like the speed dump, or lethal attacks for him, but he should ALWAYS be considered to be going all out as far as speed goes, because that's really limited by the plot of the story, not him limiting himself. Now if he ever starts talking about how he COULD go faster against someone, but he'd rather give them a chance to fight back, THEN it would be a CIS situation.
I've though about that but then in any fight with the Flash PIS can be brought up as a way to dismiss and scan of him loosing. It is my personal belief that he has some extra unconcious mental block against using all of his power unless absolutely.
Good Night All
back to flash and hulk... lol.
for those of you implying hulk can and maybe will eventually land a punch, it wouldnt do much good. the flash is able to think and react faster then he can run, and those of you who know the flash, he basically has no limit to his speed. the longer he runs, the faster he gets. if he wernt able to react this fast, he'd run into everything and not know what was going on. so if hulk were to even touch flash as a punch was coming, flash would be able to react to it, and slip out the way, or counter his attack. hulk does absolutley nothing.
flash ftw 10/10
Originally posted by xmeat
wonder woman tagged flash last i remember and her speed isn't even a match for quicksilver. Also you have to remember if flash is in marvel than his than his speed is preety useless.
1)
The Flash has been tagged by several people (ranging from Zoom to Gorilla Grodd), with most of those instances (with the exception of characters like Zoom) being 100% pure unadulterated BS.
For instance, the Hulk was kicked by Batman, causing him to gasp for air and thus inhale a gas that knocked Ol' Green-skin out for the count! Is that valid?
Nope!
Why?
Because it is pure BS.
Guess what! It would be easier for Batman to bat-kick the Hulk (as impossible as that is) than it would be for someone like the Hulk to punch the Flash (that is technically impossible since any motion the Hulk made wouldn't even seem like movement to the Flash).
A good analogy would be that of a tree trying to hit a human (e.g. trying to hit you) by growing its branches towards you .....at the normal rate of growth that branches of a tree grow at. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen UNLESS you decided to stand in place, completely immobile, for a very long period of time (depending on the tree, the age of the tree, and things like orientation, that could take anywhere from several months to 15 years ....or much more if it is a mature tree that has to orient its branch growth pattern).
Same thing for the Flash and the Hulk ....even without speed-steal and such things, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the Hulk to ever come CLOSE to hitting/tagging/tripping the Flash.
It really is that simple.
2)
You mentioned that the speed of WonderWoman isn't close to that of Quicksilver.
Hmmmm.
The truth is, unless you are talking about the time-travel Quicksilver (he doesn't have super-speed, but he can have similar effects by jumping forward in time) then WonderWoman can beat (orthodox) Quicksilver ....and in a running match.
Now, QS originally couldn't run much faster than 150mph (compare that with the Hulk's speed of around 300mph), but since then he has had his top speed increased. First to around 600mph, then to Mach 1, and after the whole Isotope-E thing it even increased.
As for WonderWoman ....she has always been one of the faster members of the JLA. While she is not the Flash, or even Superman, she is still crazy fast. Her various power sets stem from the gods (her speed stems directly from the god Hermes). The WW respect thread has some scans of just how fast she can go (thus don't waste time pulling up websites that state she can only go 600mph, or that she can only go Mach 3, or she can only ......the scans easily show she is super-fast. BTW ....those are the same sites that were claiming Superman can only lift 100 tons when even Aquaman has been shown lifting a freaking city block).
SO don't make her seem like she has the speed of oozing molasses.
3)
Then you said that we have to remember that in the Marvel Universe Flash's speed would be useless. Well, we really don't need to 'remember' that since it is an absolutely moot point in regards to this debate. Why? Because this is a KMC fight occuring in a location where both character's power sets are working as they should be.
Now, in the MU Flash wouldn't have access to the Speed Force, but that is simply not a factor for consideration here.
It is like me going into a boxing match against some opponent, and then someone yelling from the crowd that if I was fighting on the Moon I couldn't be able to breath and thus would suffocate to death (or one of a couple of other ways that someone could meet a gruesome death on the Lunar surface).
Well, while it is true that on the Moon I would be dead, the fact still remains that I am in a boxing ring (not the Moon) and thus whoever shouted that comment just uttered something completely irrelevant.
Hence, if we are dealing with irrelevancies, then let's look at this one:
- If the Hulk turned back into Bruce Banner in the DCU, and walked in some Gotham backalley at night, he would get mugged and couldn't do anything about it.
Well, that is true. However its relevance in this matchup is less than nil.
Fin.
Originally posted by SoljerAre you trying to tell me that the Flash hits with the force more than twice the weight of the Earth (which weighs 6 sextillion tons)? Come on. Not even the strongest characters (Hulk, Thor, Superman, etc.) can hit with that much force.
....Do you understand the concept of infinity? Do you know how force is calculated?The Hulk has never been hit by ANYTHING like an Infinite Mass Punch. I'm sorry, but he hasn't. Much less, the possibility of the Flash tagging the Hulk with fourteen sextillion, eight hundred fourty two trillion, seven hundred sixty three billion, four hundred ninety eight million, two hundred thirty five thousand, one hundred twenty three infinite mass punches within a few minutes.
Originally posted by xmeat
yeah but supes wasn't their and gl was kicking his ass.
I was being sarcastic most individual members of the JLA could take out Static.
Originally posted by TheOriginalman
Are you trying to tell me that the Flash hits with the force more than twice the weight of the Earth (which weighs 6 sextillion tons)? Come on. Not even the strongest characters (Hulk, Thor, Superman, etc.) can hit with that much force.
Infinite Mass Punch
so theoreticaly yes
Originally posted by DevilGoblinThat would be a great showing for Hulk if he actually could last seconds against the Flash, considering that is forever for Flash. How is Hulk going to "smash" when Flash can hit Hulk 1^10000000000000000000000000000 times a second even before the Hulk could say "H….."?
Flash vs the hulk ? a man vs a god ? 😆Flash would last seconds.
The Hulk breaks the battle field in thousands pieces. Flash dies horribly. Hulk still alive because he can adapt to everything.End of fight. Case closed.
Hulk wins any fight.