Being a fan.

Does this sentence make sense to any of you? Because I feel it could do with some discussion:

"I like them, I like their albums, but I'm not a fan.".

Are you only a fan when you own posters, shirts and tattoos?

Can you like a band AND their music, yet somehow not be a fan of them or their music? The answer is no, as there are obviously degrees to which someone can be a fan, passively or otherwise, but I'm curious to see if anyone shares that idea.

-AC

I think it was more Bierbommetje not putting his thoughts into words properly more than a difinitive statement. Dont you think starting a whole new thread to try and prove your point and basically to make another member look stupid is kinda petty.

I believe you can like a band and not be a fan of that band. I don't think owning posters, shirts etc. is required in order to consider yourself a fan. It's just that you at least have above average interest in the band, to the point where you are actually enthusiastic about a band, passionate. A fan is someone who follows the band at least passively.

That about covers my definition.

Good thread idea btw 😉

Originally posted by tabby999
stop preying on who kids problems with articulating his thoughts from time to time. We know you don't agree with him, doesn't mean you have to make a thread pointing out his grammatical mistake, thats just petty.

The funny thing is, he's happy to discuss it and happy to hold such a view, so why am I getting stick? Surely he should get stick for having such a dumb view, or maybe not, because it's me he's using it against. Otherwise everyone would be all over him. Though he even said "By all means make the thread.".

What you could do, though, is answer the question. I'm truly sorry you got blasted out of the Radiohead thread, but I made this with the permission of said member, and you don't have to be here.

-AC

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
It's just that you at least have above average interest in the band, to the point where you are actually enthusiastic about a band, passionate. A fan is someone who follows the band at least passively.

That about covers my definition.

You said: "I like the band, I like their albums.". Then say what you said above, which applies to you.

So, by the definition you gave, you are a fan. You are a fan anyway. You're not indifferent to them, you don't dislike them, you specifically claim to like the band and their albums.

How can you claim you're not a fan? (You can't, but for comedy purposes, go on.).

-AC

i changed my post, not too significantly, but because i realised it was Bierbommetje who actually said that. Sorry people.

And while the comment itself isn't brilliant, i can sort of understand where hes going with it. I have Around The Fur and White Pony by Deftones, i like couple of songs, but as a whole i wouldn't call myself a fan at all, i find most of their music dull.

I'm just not actually enthousiastic or passionate about them, I don't have above average interest in them. I just have casual (average if you will) interest in them. Like many other bands. I just like them, nothing more. I don't follow them, look up news, visit the band's forum etc.

Originally posted by tabby999
i changed my post, not too significantly, but because i realised it was Bierbommetje who actually said that. Sorry people.

And while the comment itself isn't brilliant, i can sort of understand where hes going with it. I have Around The Fur and White Pony by Deftones, i like couple songs, but as a whole i wouldn't call myself a fan at all, i find most of their music dull.

You find most of their music dull, though.

He likes them, their band, their music, their albums. He's a fan isn't he? Yes. You can let the vendetta go.

-AC

Originally posted by tabby999
I think it was more Bierbommetje not putting his thoughts into words properly more than a difinitive statement. Dont you think starting a whole new thread to try and prove your point and basically to make another member look stupid is kinda petty.

Don't you think not agreeing on it being such an obviously retarded belief, simply because that would mean agreeing with me, is more petty?

Furthermore, regardless of who this thread was inspired by, I asked a question to all. You're the one making it about him.

-aC

Ok, sidequestion

If a definition says this (for "enthusiasm"😉:

Great excitement for or interest in a subject or cause.

Do you think that means:

A: Great excitement for (stop) or interest in a subject or cause (basicely saying that being enthusiastic is the same as being interested).

Or

B: Great excitement for or great interest in a subject or cause, saying being enthusiastic is having GREAT interest (makes more sense to me, but who am I).

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You find most of their music dull, though.

He likes them, their band, their music, their albums. He's a fan isn't he? Yes. You can let the vendetta go.

-AC

He, by definition is a fan, yes. I never said he wasn't. You asked me for an answer to your question, i gave you mine and my example and all of a sudden its a vandetta. I never said i agreed with a "completly retarded belief just so i dont have to agree with you" infact you and i have been on the same side of an argument a few times. Your the one making it personal now, not me.

Tabby999, what's your definition of fan?

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Ok, sidequestion

If a definition says this (for "enthusiasm"😉:

Great excitement for or interest in a subject or cause.

Do you think that means:

A: Great excitement for (stop) or interest in a subject or cause (basicely saying that being enthusiastic is the same as being interested).

Or

B: [B]Great excitement for or great interest in a subject or cause, saying being enthusiastic is having GREAT interest (makes more sense to me, but who am I). [/B]

Call me crazy, but I'll go with the one where you didn't just put words in to aid your point.

You know, the real one.

-AC

Originally posted by tabby999
He, by definition is a fan, yes. I never said he wasn't. You asked me for an answer to your question, i gave you mine and my example and all of a sudden its a vandetta. I never said i agreed with a "completly retarded belief just so i dont have to agree with you" infact you and i have been on the same side of an argument a few times. Your the one making it personal now, not me.

There we go then. So if you know that what he is saying is actually really stupid, and it is, then why have a go at me for making the thread? Why not debate him for saying it, or answer my question right away?

He doesn't have a problem with this thread existing at all, he's said so. Everyone has a problem except me and him.

-AC

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Tabby999, what's your definition of fan?

Someone who likes a bands music.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There we go then. So if you know that what he is saying is actually really stupid, and it is, then why have a go at me for making the thread? Why not debate him for saying it, or answer my question right away?

He doesn't have a problem with this thread existing at all, he's said so. Everyone has a problem except me and him.

-AC

I dont see the point in bringing it out of the Radiohead thread really, you were both doing fine in there (although i suppose this does stop the "off topic" issue in there)

He was a great leader and man.

Does this mean he was a great leader and a man?

No, it means he was a great leader AND a great man.

Originally posted by tabby999
Someone who likes a bands music.

Would you say liking a band's music makes you an ardent devotee, an enthusiast and such?

thanks for clearing that up

Originally posted by tabby999
thanks for clearing that up

?

What are you referring to?

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
He was a great leader and man.

Does this mean he was a great leader and a man?

No, it means he was a great leader AND a great man.

According to...you? Yes. That's not what we're discussing, is it?

You like their music, their albums and them as a band. You are therefore a fan. End of story.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Would you say liking a band's music makes you an ardent devotee, an enthusiast and such?

You're operating under the assumption that if you're not a raving devotee, you're not a fan. Let's look at what you said first:

"A fan is someone who follows the band at least passively.".

What's below passive? Indifference. You clearly said you really like their music, so you clearly are a fan.

How are you being so unintelligent?

-AC

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
He was a great leader and man.

Does this mean he was a great leader and a man?

No, it means he was a great leader AND a great man.

I was referring to that. Whats the dealio?

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Would you say liking a band's music makes you an ardent devotee, an enthusiast and such?

But it depends, like i said, i have two Deftones cds and i wouldn't say i was a fan of them, but using "ardent devotee" or "enthusiast" avoid using the word "fan" is splitting hairs. Its like saying "I'm not a human i'm a Homosapien" (sp?)