Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
According to...you? Yes. That's not what we're discussing, is it?
I was actually pointing out a language rule. Don't know if I used it correctly there, but I hope you are aware of the rule.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're operating under the assumption that if you're not a raving devotee, you're not a fan.
I'm actually using the definition from Dictionary.com.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's look at what you said first:"A fan is someone who follows the band at least passively.".
What's below passive? Indifference. You clearly said you really like their music, so you clearly are a fan.
How are you being so unintelligent?
-AC
I meant following the band, as in checking news, visiting forums etc.
As for some thoughts not directly related to the quote:
Where do you draw the line of who's a fan and who isn't? What about people that only like a band a little bit. Are they fans? What about people who just don't mind a band. They have chosen a side of the fence. They don't dislike the band, they aren't indifferent, they just don't mind the band. Fans by a very small degree, but therefore fans all the same? I guess you're a fan of Korn then?
How much of a band's music do you have to like in order to be a fan? Even my favorite bands have songs I'm not all that fond of. So what percentage of a band's music do you have to like (and to what degree) in order to be a fan?
Originally posted by tabby999
I was referring to that. Whats the dealio?
It was in reference to this:
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Ok, sidequestionIf a definition says this (for "enthusiasm"😉:
Great excitement for or interest in a subject or cause.
Do you think that means:
A: Great excitement for (stop) or interest in a subject or cause (basicely saying that being enthusiastic is the same as being interested).
Or
B: Great excitement for or great interest in a subject or cause, saying being enthusiastic is having GREAT interest (makes more sense to me, but who am I).
What would you say is your answer?
Do you think having casual interest in something means you are enthusiastic for something? Do you think a prisoner who is interested in watching TV cause there's nothing better to do is enthusiastic for TV? Is he therefore a fan of television? Even though the moment he's got something better to do he won't care for television anymore?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Does this sentence make sense to any of you? Because I feel it could do with some discussion:"I like them, I like their albums, but I'm not a fan.".
Are you only a fan when you own posters, shirts and tattoos?
Can you like a band AND their music, yet somehow not be a fan of them or their music? The answer is no, as there are obviously degrees to which someone can be a fan, passively or otherwise, but I'm curious to see if anyone shares that idea.
-AC
Hmm......Idiotic Debating Tactics
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
So, what do you guys think of the topic at hand?
Varfan prague yay? Oh yeah, I think it's really cool, man. Really...you know...cool. Yeah.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But...I mean...but...please don't...please?
Sorry. Done, done, done, done, done...Oh, boy! You're gonna get it now! Hehehehe...
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Varfan prague yay? Oh yeah, I think it's really cool, man. Really...you know...cool. Yeah.Sorry. Done, done, done, done, done...Oh, boy! You're gonna get it now! Hehehehe...
But I don't want to get it now....
Also I think you can like a band and their music without being a fan...
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Originally posted by tabby999
Someone who likes a bands music.
A lot of Arsenal fans might disagree with that...
Oh, shit! I don't want to watch. He's going to go to ass on your town...
I think...AC is a lovely, yet misunderstood young man who drinks far too much coffee and/or shoots way too much crystal meth.
For me, a fan is a passionate devotee to a band/singer often to the detriment of their subjectivity regarding the music produced. To illustrate: I think the Red Hot Chili Peppers make great tunes, but I'm not a Chili Peppers fan. At the same time, I would feel comfortable saying "I'm a fan of their music", so it's a bit...weird.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Oh, shit! I don't want to watch. He's going to go to ass on your town...I think...AC is a lovely, yet misunderstood young man who drinks far too much coffee and/or shoots way too much crystal meth.
For me, a fan is a passionate devotee to a band/singer often to the detriment of their subjectivity regarding the music produced. To illustrate: I think the Red Hot Chili Peppers make great tunes, but I'm not a Chili Peppers fan. At the same time, I would feel comfortable saying "I'm a fan of their music", so it's a bit...weird.
Funniliy enough I was also thinking about the RHCP, they make good music, they are a good band, but I am just not a fan. A fan is jsut something more than someone that just enjoys the music.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I meant following the band, as in checking news, visiting forums etc.
That's not passive, though. That's actually going out of your way to do something because you like the band.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Where do you draw the line of who's a fan and who isn't? What about people that only like a band a little bit. Are they fans? What about people who just don't mind a band. They have chosen a side of the fence. They don't dislike the band, they aren't indifferent, they just don't mind the band. Fans by a very small degree, but therefore fans all the same? I guess you're a fan of Korn then?
If you like a band to the degree that you like Nirvana, that makes you a fan. You have said on numerous occassions that you like them, you like their music, you like their albums. Therefore you are a fan.
Secondly, yes. I am a fan of their Follow the Leader album.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
How much of a band's music do you have to like in order to be a fan? Even my favorite bands have songs I'm not all that fond of. So what percentage of a band's music do you have to like (and to what degree) in order to be a fan?
This is all you, though. You're the one sitting there getting massively and pointlessly in depth about this. Let's not look at degrees to which make general people fans, let's look at you.
You like the band, you like them, you like their albums (plural, also). This makes you an undeniable fan of Nirvana.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
What would you say is your answer?Do you think having casual interest in something means you are enthusiastic for something? Do you think a prisoner who is interested in watching TV cause there's nothing better to do is enthusiastic for TV? Is he therefore a fan of television? Even though the moment he's got something better to do he won't care for television anymore?
Look how desperate you are. We're discussing music, and you asked him already. He said he believes a fan is someone who likes the band's music.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
To illustrate: I think the Red Hot Chili Peppers make great tunes, but I'm not a Chili Peppers fan. At the same time, I would feel comfortable saying "I'm a fan of their music", so it's a bit...weird.
What do you view as a Chili Peppers fan? Someone who buys their shirts, merch and everything else? Just because you're not one of those doesn't mean you're not a fan of the band at any more than a passive level.
I've seen you in the Chili Peppers thread, and you are very enthusiastic about that band and their albums.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Funniliy enough I was also thinking about the RHCP, they make good music, they are a good band, but I am just not a fan. A fan is jsut something more than someone that just enjoys the music.
It's not. You're attaching the word "Fan" with the mental image of someone who buys merchandise, music and everything else. You don't have to do all that to be a fan, all you have to do is like their music.
There are different degrees of what makes a fan.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Wow, looks like us retards are multiplying. Agreed on the Chili Peppers also.
If you want proof that he's at the very least, a passive fan of the Chili Peppers, go check the thread. He said he'd be comfortable calling himself a fan.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually, I am attaching the word fan to this definition: "An ardent devotee; an enthusiast." ...and well...someone that jsut likes something is neither of that, so not a "fan" in my book.
So Bier really liking Nirvana's albums, as well as the band, doesn't make him a fan? That's incredibly stupid isn't it? Think about what you're saying, put aside the rabid need to philosophise everything ever, and think about that.
Krunk'd is enthusiastic about R.H.C.P, he's not some merch buying fanatic, he is a fan of their music.
As for Bier, he owns, as I remember, four of their albums. I'd consider him a fan of them.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So Bier really liking Nirvana's albums, as well as the band, doesn't make him a fan? That's incredibly stupid isn't it? Think about what you're saying, put aside the rabid need to philosophise everything ever, and think about that.Krunk'd is enthusiastic about R.H.C.P, he's not some merch buying fanatic, he is a fan of their music.
As for Bier, he owns, as I remember, four of their albums. I'd consider him a fan of them.
-AC
No, if Bier really likes Nirvana and Nirvana Albums he's a fan....if he just enjoys the music but with no particular need or whis to listen to it he isn't. Actually buying 4 Albums of any band would probably be considered fandom though, I agree with that.