ah fresh argument to add here (didn't read this last page to sorry if it's been said)
but what's the lowest level of a fan...
like what's the least amount of thing's you have to like about a band and their music...one song...two?
the way the band dress etc...? (thats not why i like bands...but whatever lol)
Originally posted by Flying High
ah fresh argument to add here (didn't read this last page to sorry if it's been said)but what's the lowest level of a fan...
like what's the least amount of thing's you have to like about a band and their music...one song...two?
the way the band dress etc...? (thats not why i like bands...but whatever lol)
It's been addressed, not fresh in any sense. See previous pages.
-AC
i personally dont own a single shirt or poster for any band or artist i like no matter to what degree i like their music because i find it a bit "young" for me...when i was a teenager i would buy stuff like that but now i find it pretty irrelevant
i dont even get to many gigs of my favourite bands because i live in possibly the worst city for live music in the whole of the UK
but i certainly dont think this makes me less of a fan than someone who gets all the extra merchandise
Originally posted by jaden101
i personally dont own a single shirt or poster for any band or artist i like no matter to what degree i like their music because i find it a bit "young" for me...when i was a teenager i would buy stuff like that but now i find it pretty irrelevanti dont even get to many gigs of my favourite bands because i live in possibly the worst city for live music in the whole of the UK
but i certainly dont think this makes me less of a fan than someone who gets all the extra merchandise
Precisely. I own band shirts, but that's because I happen to like the shirts, not because I believe it makes me a bigger fan. Nor is someone a lesser fan for not owning any.
I don't think anybody but Bier can realistically agree with him, and the irony is, he can't agree with himself.
-AC
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
It's just that you at least have above average interest in the band, to the point where you are actually enthusiastic about a band, passionate. A fan is someone who follows the band at at least a minimal level.
If someone meets the above criteria, if only just, they are the minimal kind of ardent follower or fan.
There are different degrees, from raging fanatics to just people who are casual fans, who express above average interest in a band, but nothing more.
Ive already said that you don’t need anything more but a level of enthusiasm towards the music (no posters, shirts etc are required) to be considered a fan.
This is all just in my opinion and absolutely nothing more. If I am alone in that, so be it.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
If someone meets the above criteria, if only just, they are the minimal kind of ardent follower or fan.
Now you're trying to define degrees of a degree? Desperation indeed. I've reduced your nonsensical argument to cinders.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
There are different degrees, from raging fanatics to just people who are casual fans, who express above average interest in a band, but nothing more.
That's you.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Ive already said that you don’t need anything more but a level of enthusiasm towards the [B]music (no posters, shirts etc are required) to be considered a fan.[/b]
"I like them, I like their albums" counts as such.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
This is all just in my opinion and absolutely nothing more. If I am alone in that, so be it.
Splended. To quote Hannibal Lecter: "Ta ta".
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Now you're trying to define degrees of a degree? Desperation indeed. I've reduced your nonsensical argument to cinders.
I don't see "ardant follower" as a degree. An ardent follower is another word for fan. And theres different degrees of fandom, as you know. So there's different degrees of being an ardent follower, seeing as it's the same.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's you.
That's me... to you. I don't have above average interest in Nirvana, just average interest.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"I like them, I like their albums" counts as such.
If my level of liking was above average, then yes.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I don't see "ardant follower" as a degree. An ardent follower is another word for fan. And theres different degrees of fandom, as you know. So there's different degrees of being an ardent follower, seeing as it's the same.
Haha, look at this crap.
There are different degrees of fandom, from the minor to the major, correct? Correct. Ardent following an extreme degree of fandom, that's fact. If passive is slight interest, and ardent following is major interest...and they're both degrees of interest (fandom), then what does that say to you? The two are connected.
Ardent following is just the other end of the fandom scale, and the only reason you are denying this is because you realise how shameful you look.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
That's me... to you. I don't have above average interest in Nirvana, just average interest.
So you're an average fan, a passive fan. Precisely.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
If my level of liking was above average, then yes.
I'm not accusing you of being a fanclub member, I'm calling you a fan, be it passively or not. Because you are.
Everything you have said about the band suggests that you are a fan. You've tried to break it down into splitting hairs, I've stooped to your level and proved you wrong. You change your mind ten times over, I prove you a hypocrite.
What next? To think, your first post began with "I don't want to get into the debate.". Of course you did.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There are different degrees of fandom, from the minor to the major, correct? Correct. Ardent following an extreme degree of fandom, that's fact. If passive is slight interest, and ardent following is major interest...and they're both degrees of interest (fandom), then what does that say to you? The two are connected.Ardent following is just the other end of the fandom scale, and the only reason you are denying this is because you realise how shameful you look.
Fan: an ardent admirer
What makes you say they didnt mean this as to be the definitive definition? A lot of the words in the dictionary that's from have multiple definitions behind the word. If fandom isn't just limited to being an ardent admirer, surely they would have put more definitions behind the word?
So what makes you say they meant is as a degree, instead of a definition?
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
What makes you say they didnt mean this as to be the definitive definition? A lot of the words in the dictionary that's from have multiple definitions behind the word. If fandom isn't just limited to being an ardent admirer, surely they would have put more definitions behind the word?
How many times are you seriously going to contradict yourself? It's getting boring.
Again, you're wrong. I'm a fan of...say, Green Day. I'm not an ardent follower, I like their albums like you like Nirvana. They're good, I listen to them now and then. That's it.
I'm still a fan of the band, and anyone will tell you the same. You don't consider yourself a Nirvana fan for some warped reason, fine, it doesn't change the fact that you are one.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
So what makes you say they meant is as a degree, instead of a definition?
Because people prove it every single day, and have done since the dawn of music, probably.
You are doing it now. Your whole argument is stemming from you, just you. I can honestly say you are the only person I've met, stupid enough to propose such an argument.
Not everyone thinks like you do, you're assuming that you and the writers of the English dictionary are on the same page, and I find that hilarious.
-AC
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
To me:Fan = Ardent admirer and vice versa
To you:
Ardent admirer = A degree of fandom
To me:
A degree of fandom = A degree of being an ardant admirer
You disagree with my view, I disagree with yours
I can agree we disagree
Read that back and realise how pathetic you are being, and for what? So you escape the dreaded label of being a fan or Nirvana?
I am living proof that you are factually wrong. Why?
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
To me:Fan = Ardent admirer and vice versa
I'm a fan of many bands that I am not an ardent admirer of, as are millions upon millions of people. So fan can't logically mean definite ardent admirer can it? It's a degree of fandom, fact. Undeniable fact. You're desperate.
The more this goes on, the more I believe it's some kind of thing you've made up to start a debate.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do you view as a Chili Peppers fan? Someone who buys their shirts, merch and everything else? Just because you're not one of those doesn't mean you're not a fan of the band at any more than a passive level.
A Chili Peppers fan would be someone who is an enthusiast about the band, not just the music. It also comes back to that question of subjectivity; a fan would probably be less descriminate about the quality of their music, whereas I found a lot of 'By The Way' to be junk. Also, I know very little about the band outside of the music that they make. A fan would know all their names, preferences, and other non-music related details surrounding the band.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've seen you in the Chili Peppers thread, and you are very enthusiastic about that band and their albums.
I love most of the music they make, so I'm enthusiastic about that, but not the band as a seperate entity.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you want proof that he's at the very least, a passive fan of the Chili Peppers, go check the thread. He said he'd be comfortable calling himself a fan.
...of their music. Therein lies the difference. Although, if adhering to a strict dictionary definition of the word, then it would hold greater pertinency and less opportunity for misrepresentation, if I described myself as simply 'liking their music'.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
A Chili Peppers fan would be someone who is an enthusiast about the band, not just the music. It also comes back to that question of subjectivity; a fan would probably be less descriminate about the quality of their music, whereas I found a lot of 'By The Way' to be junk. Also, I know very little about the band outside of the music that they make. A fan would know all their names, preferences, and other non-music related details surrounding the band.I love most of the music they make, so I'm enthusiastic about that, but not the band as a seperate entity.
...of their music. Therein lies the difference. Although, if adhering to a strict dictionary definition of the word, then it would hold greater pertinency and less opportunity for misrepresentation, if I described myself as simply 'liking their music'.
That actually illustrates my point further, so in relation to that, I'll ask a question, as it's obvious you like their music and I assume I'm correct in saying so.
That question is this: Upon admitting you like their music, infact loving most of it, would you say you're a fan of their music?
If the answer is "Yes", then that simply proves my point. He likes Nirvana's music, therefore he is a fan of their music.
He's denying this.
-AC
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
"I'm a fan of [insert any band here] and they're the best band EVER"^What's wrong with this statement?
(let's see if we share the same opinion)
if you are like me, then you'd laugh and wonder if they really think they're the best band ever. Most people like this (irrelevant of whether its a band/game console/car/ etc), "Fanboys" as it were, dont look at it with rational, they look at it as "this band is the best band ever, theres no arguments otherwise, no other band are as good or will be as good. i will ignore all other rational opinions/thoughts."
Am i heading in the right direction?
Originally posted by tabby999
if you are like me, then you'd laugh and wonder if they really think they're the best band ever. Most people like this (irrelevant of whether its a band/game console/car/ etc), "Fanboys" as it were, dont look at it with rational, they look at it as "this band is the best band ever, theres no arguments otherwise, no other band are as good or will be as good. i will ignore all other rational opinions/thoughts."Am i heading in the right direction?
This still doesn't change the fact that there's nothing factually incorrect about it, or factually correct.
It's subjective.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That actually illustrates my point further, so in relation to that, I'll ask a question, as it's obvious you like their music and I assume I'm correct in saying so.That question is this: Upon admitting you like their music, infact loving most of it, would you say you're a fan of their music?
It's like this, dude: If I was telling someone about my musical tastes, I would say "I really like the Chili Peppers", as opposed to "I'm a Chilli Peppers fan". There's definitely a perceptible difference.
By the way, I'm not even aware of the other dude's point of view. I only care about me. You. And Bardock. Sometimes VVD, too.
We are family.