Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
He doesn't get the difference between killing a joke for comedy purposes, and continuing to use it after that has happened.Hence why myself, you, and everyone else ever constantly get the urge to inflict physical humiliation upon him.
Nah, that's just the Vic. You-men.
-AC
The defintion of the word fan is "ardent admirer".
My dictionary (the same that never proved me wrong btw) says:
Fan = Ardent admirer (period)
Let's take another word such as "hate".
My dictionary reads:
Hate: To dislike (something) intensely (period)
A hater therefore is someone who dislikes something intensely. The definition of hater then reads.
Hater: someone who dislikes something intensely
Would you say that disliking something intensely is a degree of hatred? If so, what are the other degrees? Just disliking something?
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
The defintion of the word fan is "ardent admirer".My dictionary (the same that never proved me wrong btw) says:
Fan = Ardent admirer (period)
Yes, that is A definition of "Fan". It's not THE definition, just A definition. I've said this to you a million times.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Let's take another word such as "hate".My dictionary reads:
Hate: To dislike (something) intensely (period)
A hater therefore is someone who dislikes something intensely. The definition of hater then reads.
Hater: someone who dislikes something intensely
Would you say that disliking something intensely is a degree of hatred? If so, what are the other degrees? Just disliking something?
Just like there are different degrees of fandom (From passive liking to ardent admiration) there are degrees of the opposite. There are bands I simply dislike a bit, there are bands I genuinely hate. Some I hate more than others.
This is all so irrelevant, even to the rest of the irrelevent parts. Purely because, when everything is brought down to simplicity, you are a fan of Nirvana.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, that is A definition of "Fan". It's not THE definition, just A definition. I've said this to you a million times.
Exactly. This is the point Ive been trying to make. People use different defintions. Our defintions differ.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Just like there are different degrees of fandom (From passive liking to ardent admiration) there are degrees of the opposite. There are bands I simply dislike a bit, there are bands I genuinely hate. Some I hate more than others.
Would you say disliking a band a bit is actually hating them to a very small degree?
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Exactly. This is the point Ive been trying to make. People use different defintions. Our defintions differ.
No, no, no. That's not MY definition, that's fact.
Yes, you are right, that definition is correct, we agree. However, you believe that is the only definition of "Fan", and it factually isn't, as many people have proven throughout this thread.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Would you say disliking a band a bit is actually hating them to a very small degree?
No, dislike and hate are two ends of the same spectrum, but they're not the same thing. The same with like and love.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, you are right, that definition is correct, we agree. However, you believe that is the only definition of "Fan", and it factually isn't, as many people have proven throughout this thread.
I'm not denying there are more definitions to the word fan. I actually said that in my last post. It's just that that's the only definition I use. You use more, I use one. That's the difference between us.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, dislike and hate are two ends of the same spectrum, but they're not the same thing. The same with like and love.
I agree with the first sentence. The second one doesn't really make sense to me.
You say that liking something is being a fan. So the following sentence:
"The same with like and love" essentially means:
The same with being a fan and loving something. You're basicely saying that being a fan and loving something aren't the same thing. I disagree. If you love a band, you're a fan in my book.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I'm not denying there are more definitions to the word fan. I actually said that in my last post. It's just that that's the only definition I use. You use more, I use one. That's the difference between us.
So it's a case of sheer ignorance then? Case closed.
"I know it means more, but I'll just use the one and be an overly literal, anal pigeon holer.". Nice.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
The same with being a fan and loving something. You're basicely saying that being a fan and loving something aren't the same thing. I disagree. If you love a band, you're a fan in my book.
You are a fan if you love the band, their music, or both. You're also a fan if you like it. They're just different degrees of fandom.
But as we discovered above, it's ignorance.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So it's a case of sheer ignorance then? Case closed."I know it means more, but I'll just use the one and be an overly literal, anal pigeon holer.". Nice.
Ill ask you again: Why would a dictionary just put one definition behind the word fan, if there are actually more and it's appararently common knowledge that there are? There are many words in the dictionary which have more then one definition behind them, so why isn't that the case with the word "fan"?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You are a fan if you love the band, their music, or both. You're also a fan if you like it. They're just different degrees of fandom.
Let me backtrack a bit to the word "hate":
You said hate is a degree of dislike, correct? So that's saying that a hater and someone who simply dislikes a band aren't the same thing, correct? But couldnt you say that disliking a band is actually hating them at a very small degree?
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Ill ask you again: Why would a dictionary just put one definition behind the word fan, if there are actually more and it's appararently common knowledge that there are? There are many words in the dictionary which have more then one definition behind them, so why isn't that the case with the word "fan"?
I'll answer that with another question: Why does it matter if we both know that it's not the only definition?
We know that it's A definition, not THE. So this whole argument has been you being pointless.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Let me backtrack a bit to the word "hate":You said hate is a degree of dislike, correct? So that's saying that a hater and someone who simply dislikes a band aren't the same thing, correct? But couldnt you say that disliking a band is actually hating them at a very small degree?
No, listen. Being a fan comes in many degrees, from the minor (Passive liking) to the major (Ardent following), and everything in between. This is called fandom, if you like. Right?
So whatever the opposite of fandom is, let's call it anti-fandom, has degrees also. Those ranging from minor (Passive disliking) to the major (Hating). It's the same, just opposite.
Though I honestly don't see how this is relevent to you not being a fan of Nirvana's music, because you are.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll answer that with another question: Why does it matter if we both know that it's not the only definition?We know that it's A definition, not THE. So this whole argument has been you being pointless.
I was actually geniunly wondering and thought you might have known the answer. Guess not? Let me take a guess at the answer.
It's because the dictionary only uses one definition, much like I do. I guess the dictionary is rather ignorant?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, listen. Being a fan comes in many degrees, from the minor (Passive liking) to the major (Ardent following), and everything in between. This is called fandom, if you like. Right?
This is more like it. "This is called fandom, if you like". It's called fandom If I would like to call it that. I don't like calling the spectrum fandom. You do, and that's fine with me. That's the disagreement we have.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I was actually geniunly wondering and thought you might have known the answer. Guess not? Let me take a guess at the answer.It's because the dictionary only uses one definition, much like I do. I guess the dictionary is rather ignorant?
Oh for crying out loud, man. I keep repeating myself.
Look, they posted one definition and it's a correct one, but it's not the only one. What did you expect? All the hair-splitting, anal technicality that you go into? Of course no. The point is, one definition in the dictionary or not; Why does that matter? Me and you both know that it's not the only one.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
This is more like it. "This is called fandom, if you like". It's called fandom If I would like to call it that. I don't like calling the spectrum fandom. You do, and that's fine with me. That's the disagreement we have.
No, it wasn't meant literally. "If you like" is just a phrase. I wasn't saying you have a say in it. It IS factually called fandom. We've been over this.
You are a fan of Nirvana's music by both of our definitions, but that's why you only use one, because you're ignorant.
-AC
so basically this has been a pointless debate over whether liking a band makes you a fan and whether liking a band does or doesn't make you a fan
i must be utterly missing the point
if a song was to come on the radio that i thought was reasonable but had no intentions of finding out who it was by does that make me a fan of a band i dont even know?
no
had i thought that the song was good an i endevoured to find the name of the band and other songs by them which i subesquently liked...am i a fan?
yes
had i heard the song and totally spunked my load all over my house and how masterfully good it was and then went out and bought every single item possible whether it was official or not and went to every gig by the band and got a court order preventing me from "stalking" them does that make me a fan
yes...but it also makes me a (as christopher moltisanti would say) "****in mental midget"
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Look, they posted one definition and it's a correct one, but it's not the only one. What did you expect? All the hair-splitting, anal technicality that you go into? Of course no. The point is, one definition in the dictionary or not; Why does that matter? Me and you both know that it's not the only one.
This isn't my point. The dictionary uses one definition, yes? Same with me. There's more then one definition, but you really only need one. More are optional. Hence why the dictionary only cites one.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, it wasn't meant literally. "If you like" is just a phrase. I wasn't saying you have a say in it. It IS factually called fandom. We've been over this.
Yes, Ill admit I got into that specific argument needlessly.
fan·dom
All the fans of a sport, an activity, or a famous person.
I agree with this definition (bar the famous person part). Fandom is basicely a group. It consists of fans. Fans of all degrees. I wouldn't call the whole positive side of the fence fandom, though.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
This isn't my point. The dictionary uses one definition, yes? Same with me. There's more then one definition, but you really only need one. More are optional. Hence why the dictionary only cites one.
How do you figure you only need one when there are factually MANY degrees?
That's like saying there's many degrees of having the flu but you only need one diagnosis.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I agree with this definition (bar the famous person part). Fandom is basicely a group. It consists of fans. Fans of all degrees. I wouldn't call the whole positive side of the fence fandom, though.
Actually read that back.
Seriously. Sit there reading it to yourself until you understand what you just said.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How do you figure you only need one when there are factually MANY degrees?That's like saying there's many degrees of having the flu but you only need one diagnosis.
I didn't say I only needed one degree. I said definition. They're not the same.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Actually read that back.Seriously. Sit there reading it to yourself until you understand what you just said.
Fandom is a group consisting of all fans, of all degrees. It's just that what is a small fan to me isn't to you. You could say my group is smaller then yours.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I didn't say I only needed one degree. I said definition. They're not the same.
That's what I meant; one definition. How do you figure you only need one definition of what a fan is, when the only definition you use describes the extreme? We both know the extreme is just a single part.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Fandom is a group consisting of all fans, of all degrees. It's just that what is a small fan to me isn't to you. You could say my group is smaller then yours.
No, I could say you're a fan of Nirvana's music and I would be factually correct, regardless of what you say.
-AC