Re: God Loves You So Much....
Originally posted by Lord UrizenTo be in god's favor (for once disgust) If there are billion people on the earth and lots of them are truly bad people, then he can't let them be in heaven because that would be rewarding them for doing evil, and he can't ressurect them just so they can wreak more havoc on his planet. It's like he's playing a gigantic game of sims except he can't control one particular person. He has to influence them all which is nigh impossible. What do you expect. Do you think that you could do any better. To finish my angry rant, I'll say that god loves us all like a parent. Even though he loves us, he must punish us if we do bad. (btw. I'm satanist and even I've got to admit god isn't that bad)
[b]He provides you a place of Eternal Torment of you disobey him 🙄Thoughts ? [/B]
Except that's not how God works, but I believe any explanation--no matter how complete--will prove to be completely futile in face of your very existence.
Originally posted by PVS
thoughts: there is no god, or at least none which idiots who believe in hell can comprehend.
wow......u guys.......have really different views then me. im a muslim btw. well, u should check out my reply to something else in another forum cause i dont feel like rewording it. its posted on my xanga. www.xanga.com/forumpassage also, there is another site with proof in pictures about islam, but its just a minor proof, as there are many other scientifical proofs and all. http://signofallah.tripod.com/index.html
read this: This is one of the best explanations of why God allows pain and suffering that I have seen. It's an explanation other people will understand.
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed.
Barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."
Why do you say that?" asked the customer "Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things."
The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument.
The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbers shop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair & an un trimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt. The customer turned back and entered the barbershop again and he said to the barber:
"You know what? Barbers do not exist."
"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"
"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards like that man outside."
"Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."
"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point!
God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."
Originally posted by FeceMan
Yeah, screw that Jesus guy and the other fella, too. We don't need none a' them "BIBLE" words for learnin'.
i refuse to take the word of a book which has been translated over different languages and cultures by the rich and powerful. look at how our contemporary media, with so many sources to site, manages to take everything out of context and not get their facts straight. take away any research abilities and stretch that out over thousands of years. im sorry, but i think its foolish to blindly trust such a book. that has nothing to do with my thoughts on one who has faith, mind you. faith in god and blind trust in a book do not equate imho.
and on the topic of hell, i think its a ridiculous concept. an omnipotant father begats his beloved children and showers them with gifts and blessings, but if they dont follow a very strict yet cryptic set of rules to a tee, they will be cast into a lake of fire and suffer forever and ever. 😍 you'd think a loving parent might punish their child as a form of discipline and then....well....stop punishing them. however what is described in this apparant book of fact is a god of hate, spite, sadism, and vengeance. sorry to say, but i think anyone who would offer their unconditional love to that is a fool.
but it doesnt matter, because NOW people have managed to selectively ignore the bible to convince themselves that they will go to heaven and everyone else who doesnt conform to them will burn in hell. people like george bush and pat robertson think they can fit a camel through the eye of a needle, and the majority of the religious right seem to agree. the mentality seems to be to strip the self-damning elements of the bible and stick with whatever keeps one high and rightous. hell is nothing to fear anymore, but something to wish on others with glee and anticipation.
Originally posted by PVS
Long, ranty post.
Originally spoken by the White Witch
You think that a simple threat will deny me my right, little king? Aslan knows that if I do not have blood as the law demands, all of Narnia will be overturned, and perish, in fire and water.
Originally posted by PVS
i refuse to take the word of a book which has been translated over different languages and cultures by the rich and powerful. look at how our contemporary media, with so many sources to site, manages to take everything out of context and not get their facts straight. take away any research abilities and stretch that out over thousands of years. im sorry, but i think its foolish to blindly trust such a book. that has nothing to do with my thoughts on one who has faith, mind you. faith in god and blind trust in a book do not equate imho.and on the topic of hell, i think its a ridiculous concept. an omnipotant father begats his beloved children and showers them with gifts and blessings, but if they dont follow a very strict yet cryptic set of rules to a tee, they will be cast into a lake of fire and suffer forever and ever. 😍 you'd think a loving parent might punish their child as a form of discipline and then....well....stop punishing them. however what is described in this apparant book of fact is a god of hate, spite, sadism, and vengeance. sorry to say, but i think anyone who would offer their unconditional love to that is a fool.
but it doesnt matter, because NOW people have managed to selectively ignore the bible to convince themselves that they will go to heaven and everyone else who doesnt conform to them will burn in hell. people like george bush and pat robertson think they can fit a camel through the eye of a needle, and the majority of the religious right seem to agree. the mentality seems to be to strip the self-damning elements of the bible and stick with whatever keeps one high and rightous. hell is nothing to fear anymore, but something to wish on others with glee and anticipation.
You are so right on the mark.
Originally posted by Belegûr
Well, I just don't see the point anymore of one person speaking to another about their religious beliefs or disbeliefs - because the other will always believe what they want to believe, etc.Religious discussion seems to me pointless.
I have found that belief can be discussed, but it is very difficult, just look at the world today. I just didn't understand why you said;
My Lord people..... Now I do, thanks.