It's not a clone. Issue description says it's Ock:
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #104
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Pencils and Cover by MARK BAGLEY
CLONE SAGA
A double-sized spectacular brings to a close the incredible “Clone Saga.” Everything has led to this moment, as a battered and beaten Spider-Man faces off against the ascendant master of many arms: Doctor Octopus, in the greatest battle of the web spinner’s young career. The life of Peter Parker and those he loves will never be the same—a true turning point for the Ultimate wall-crawler! Part 8 (of 8)
48 PGS./Rated A ...$3.99
And it's a double sized issue too. YAY!
Okay, well peep this:
The Scorpion wasn't Mac Gargan, but rather a clone of Peter Parker. This alone can lead one to believe that the Ock in the cover isn't really Otto Octavius.
Also, the Scorpion clone mentioned something called "the Zoo," which I'm guessing is where the multiple Parkers are kept. This Zoo could be a reference toward the multitude of animals these clones are related to, such as the Scorpion, the Spider clones (the black one with multiple arms and the chick), and, just maybe, an Octopus. I mean, both spiders and octopi have 8 legs.
Anyway, that's my take.
We know the Scorpian was a clone of Peter Parker before even reading part 1 of the clone saga. And we can't say that it isn't Doc Ock just by looking at 1 pic of his backside. However I'm with Doc Ock on this one (no pun intended) and saying it is him because he has different or damaged arms as his original were destroyed.
If Doctor Octopus is partially behind the Clone Saga (and don't kid yourselves people, it's really him. Just because his arms don't look sleek doesn't mean Doc can't create himself new arms--he IS a scientific genius after all) it actually makes perfect sense when you consider:
A. Doc Ock prior to his accident (remember his origin and the Green Goblin happened at the same time) was Oscorp's top scientist. After all, Kaine did take Mary Jane there, so we know that Oscorp has some connection.
B. He also was the very person who analyzed Peter's blood samples, one of which he obtained WAY BACK in USM #2. If he was able to analyze them to determine that Peter's DNA was altered, he certainly could have cloned that sample.
C. Notice that Scorpion isn't just merely a clone, he's also, technically, a cyborg. And who do we know who has a knack for cybernetics? Again, Doc Ock
I mean wouldn't it be very random to make an Ock/Peter clone?? I mean you can understand the Carnage/Gwen and the black symbiote suit clone because they all stem from Peter's DNA, and Peter's dad's work. The original Carnage grew from Peter's blood, and the black suit was a creation of Richard Parker's.
What has Doc Ock got to do with Peter or his dad in that they'd clone him?? Unless that's the real Octavius there, the man behind it all:
-Ock knows all about Peter
-He knows about Peter's dad and his work
-Ock is a geneticist
-He has a new set of tentacles on the cover
-The comic solicit said it's Doctor Octopus. Not a clone, or Richard, it said Doc Ock.
My two cents.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
If Doctor Octopus is partially behind the Clone Saga (and don't kid yourselves people, it's really him. Just because his arms don't look sleek doesn't mean Doc can't create himself new arms--he IS a scientific genius after all) it actually makes perfect sense when you consider:A. Doc Ock prior to his accident (remember his origin and the Green Goblin happened at the same time) was Oscorp's top scientist. After all, Kaine did take Mary Jane there, so we know that Oscorp has some connection.
B. He also was the very person who analyzed Peter's blood samples, one of which he obtained WAY BACK in USM #2. If he was able to analyze them to determine that Peter's DNA was altered, he certainly could have cloned that sample.
C. Notice that Scorpion isn't just merely a clone, he's also, technically, a cyborg. And who do we know who has a knack for cybernetics? Again, Doc OckI mean wouldn't it be very random to make an Ock/Peter clone?? I mean you can understand the Carnage/Gwen and the black symbiote suit clone because they all stem from Peter's DNA, and Peter's dad's work. The original Carnage grew from Peter's blood, and the black suit was a creation of Richard Parker's.
A. Oscorp was also the site of Parker's accident, so that could be the connection. Remember, when Ult. Kaine said "The birthplace of Spider-Man" or something along those lines?
B. Yes, but the second clone we run into obviously has ties to "the suit", and the Gwen clone actually turned INTO Carnage, so Ben Reilly (Dr. Conner's assistant) has a closer connection than Ock does.
C. Agreed that the cybernetics angle is quite the nod, but does that mean Ock is the ONLY cybernetics expert with a vendetta towards Peter Parker/Spider-Man? What about Oscorp? Trask Industries? A rogue SHIELD scientist?
I mean, really, the true geniuses behind this clone saga is more than likely Trask Industries. They're the ones who had access to "the suit", they had Richard Parker working for them, so on and so forth. Perhaps they wanted their own Ock as a soldier, so they made a clone, which was incedentaly imperfect so they gave him Ock arms.
A little loose, but it still makes just as much sense as Ock being behind it, if not more.
Hah, 25 cents!
Originally posted by Dan-El
A. Oscorp was also the site of Parker's accident, so that could be the connection. Remember, when Ult. Kaine said "The birthplace of Spider-Man" or something along those lines?
My point exactly. Who are the "fathers" of Spider-Man?? Norman and Otto.
And since Norman is no where in sight, and we've got Doc Ock coming for the climax to this business, I need not say anymore 😉
B. Yes, but the second clone we run into obviously has ties to "the suit", and the Gwen clone actually turned INTO Carnage, so Ben Reilly (Dr. Conner's assistant) has a closer connection than Ock does.
You're not getting what I'm saying, but you've just re-enforced my point. It all ties to Peter and his dad.
An Ock/Peter clone makes ZERO sense. Ock has nothing to do with Peter or his dad in that someone would clone an Ock and duplicate his tentacles.
It's just so random and makes no sense.
C. Agreed that the cybernetics angle is quite the nod, but does that mean Ock is the ONLY cybernetics expert with a vendetta towards Peter Parker/Spider-Man? What about Oscorp? Trask Industries? A rogue SHIELD scientist?
You really trying to tell me that it's going to be some Trask scientist or whatever whom we never heard of who constructed the Scorpion, or a super villain we all know and love??
It's an Oscorp scientist alright, and his name is Dr Otto Octavius 😉
I mean, really, the true geniuses behind this clone saga is more than likely Trask Industries. They're the ones who had access to "the suit", they had Richard Parker working for them, so on and so forth.
How do you know they're the only ones who had access to the suit?? Eddie Brock had a tub of it hidden in a locker for years.
Perhaps they wanted their own Ock as a soldier, so they made a clone, which was incedentaly imperfect so they gave him Ock arms.
Does that sounds as silly to you as it does to me?? 😉
An Ock soldier?? Come on.
A little loose, but it still makes just as much sense as Ock being behind it, if not more.
No, it makes little sense IMO. You've also completely ignored the other facts and hints I've listed regarding Octavius' expertise as a geneticist and his intimate knowledge of Peter, his father, and Richard's work.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. But we should know by issue #103 who's right.
Guys renember the referance in Hobgoblin when Harry found his dads bunker with Otto's arms inside along with the other goblin costumes from 616 and the movie. That COULD be where he got the arms from... or the old arms survived from the end of Hollywood and that COULD explain why they're so mangled.
Just my usual 2 cents. 🙂
Originally posted by Spideys Sister
Guys renember the referance in Hobgoblin when Harry found his dads bunker with Otto's arms inside along with the other goblin costumes from 616 and the movie. That COULD be where he got the arms from... or the old arms survived from the end of Hollywood and that COULD explain why they're so mangled.
Except Bendis said that Harry imagined all that. Just like that guy Shaw was just a figment of his imagination.