Originally posted by riceroost
??? Shaggy Man is made out of Plastalloy: a synthetic substance that resembled human tissue, meant for artificial body parts, that is spliced with Salamandar DNA. He is not made of hair. And even if he was who gives a flying *uck? Getting turned to a rock is getting turned to a rock. When Gorgon turns you to rock it's your whole body including hair.
He also pwned the JLA 😐
JLA >x100000000000000000000 Gorgon
Gorgon takes the first 3 or 4 straight...
Then Cap uses military mind to adapt battleplan, anaylzing mistakes and might take a few thereafter...
But I give the edge to Gorgon with his mastery of Katana, and superhuman strenght, agility, and stamina.. plus hard to get a good foothold in a 7.5-9.5 earthquake, if even deemed necessary. Sorry, Cap.. I want to believe, but not this time.
Originally posted by riceroostso all you have said so far is that gorgon can take damage. because with the psi blocks on thats all he did is take damage....and yes cap can deal more damage wolverine in instances, one majorly being that Cap can decapitate him with one flick of the shield.
Cap would get killed within 5 seconds, maybe less.
Uh, Wolverine couldn't do it though. The Gorgon killed Wolverine once, pinned him with a sword through the throat while he had help from Elektra, and then beat the tar out of him before Wolverine won through sheer luck. Thre fact that Medusa power isn't available means the only way to beat the guy is now gone.
I strongly disagree with that. Where does it say that Gorgon's physical abilities are at Spider-Man level? Spider-Man's blows have never had that kind of effect on Wolverine. Not even close. And the guy twirls a sword nanchalantly blocking automatic weapons fire, while not looking. That kind of speed is beyond Spider-Man too, and he wasn't even trying. The guy also annihilated Wolverine and Elektra at the same time. Spider-Man can't keep up with DD (closest thing I have to Elektra) or Wolverine solo, yet this guy takes both of them at the same time easily. His physical skill set seems well beyond Spider-Man.
Even though the guy wrecked Wolverine 3 times, Elektra 2 times and both of them at the same time??? Yeah friggin right. Cap can't take Wolverine and you think Cap would win 8 out of 10 against a guy who took both of them like it was a walk in the park??? What a fanboy.
Who the heck cares if Cap doesn't stab people??? Yeah Cap uses blunt force impact a lot, but if Wolverine slamming into Gorgon at over a 100 mph and then body slamming him off the side of a building doesn't hurt the guy, what would Cap be able to do? And NOTHING is the correct answer.
How is cap going to last long enough for Gorgon to use the medusa effect? Cap wont last much longer than Elektra, and Gorgon didn't bother using the EYES on her either time he whuupped on her. Not to mention the Eyes wont be allowed in this fight, therefor your whole senario is wrong. Gorgon wouldn't even bother using the death gaze. Cap isn't worth the effort.
First Point: Your entire post is wrong because Gorgon wont be using the Eye power.
Second Point: Your level of Fanboy BS is astounding. Your entire post was laughable.
Third Point: I dont even believe Wolverine would get more than 3 wins out of 10, and I like Wolverine. For you to say Wolverine would get 9 is horrendous, even by my standards. For Cap to get even 1 win out of 10 is a gift from God.
Wrong, he telepathically ripped the location of Nick Fury out of Elektra's brain. If Gorgon can do that to Elektra (Who's mental defenses are pretty darn good, especially considering she could telepathically talk to Wolverine) he could read Cap like a book and pawn him out 1000 times worse than anything Mr. X did to Wolverine.
With a psi-block Gorgon took out Elektra in one swing while Wolverine's claws were in his lungs. Wolverine also had a psi blocker on in the last fight, yet Gorgon still beat the crap out of him. Gorgon just soaked up all the damage Wolverine could deal out. Reality check: Wolverine deals more damage than Cap, if he can't hurt Gorgon, Cap couldn't even make him flinch.
He annihilated Wolverine and Elektra at the same time and he couldn't read their thoughts. Didn't seem to be too much of a problem for him there.
Originally posted by riceroost
??? Shaggy Man is made out of Plastalloy: a synthetic substance that resembled human tissue, meant for artificial body parts, that is spliced with Salamandar DNA. He is not made of hair. And even if he was who gives a flying *uck? Getting turned to a rock is getting turned to a rock. When Gorgon turns you to rock it's your whole body including hair.
Cap going balls out is not anywhere near as dangerous as Wolverine going balls out. Cap going balls out still has no way to win. Cap's shield is not that sharp, and not anywhere near as sharp as Wolverine's claws. If it was he would lop his own hand off when he catches it by the edge, which he does all the friggin time. If it was sharp it wouldn't be able to rebound. It would get stuck in EVERYTHING. And if Wolverine and Elektra can't decapitate Gorgon than Cap hasn't got a chance in hell of doing it. Those 2 actually decapitate people A LOT. Cap does not.
That's just stupidity and ego on Cap's part. Fighting superhumans is far more dangerous than fighting Nazi soldiers.
No he wouldn't. He's already taken down UPGRADED Elektra and Wolverine at the same time like it was nothing. And both of them REALLY wanted him dead. If he can pawn Elektra and Wolverine when they are going to War, what the hell can Cap do?
i already explained what he could do. for another thing, gorgon won't be able to HIT cap like he could physically strike wolvie OR especially elektra who can't absorb near the damage logan can. wolvie can take a lot of damage, but NOT as much damage as cap's shield . . .
and i'm afraid his shield IS ridiculously sharp. as i've said it cut the head off ultron and has sliced through a host of other materials. in many cases it HAS become imbedded in materials rather than bouncing off. as far as why he can catch the edge? well, it is still a comic . . .
would cap take all the fights? no. would he take a majority? not sure. gorgon hasn't been seen enough to make a full decision. cap's recent schooling of spidey shows he is easily fast enough and skilled enough to battle superhumans with crazy speed. where is the evidence gorgon is faster than spidey who even with precog couldn't stop cap from laying into him?
i liked the above post saying cap would lose the first couple then work it out. cap tends not to rush in like wolverine or elektra, he's more cerebral.
and about the war comment -- he was refrring to a state of mind and you've simply reiterated what i said. in war (and in war he fought a number of superhumans) cap fought to kill. he almost NEVER does in comics. logan and elektra otoh ALWAYS fight to kill. a cap prepared to KILL an opponent is something we almost never see.
Originally posted by Grimm22Jesus H Christ. You need to return to your Special Education class.
He also pwned the JLA 😐JLA >x100000000000000000000 Gorgon
No one in the JLA turned him into stone did they???
Originally posted by King KAMUh, no. Wolverine's damage capacity obliterates anything Cap can do any day of the week. And Cap is not going to decap better than Wolverine because Wolverine actually decaps people with a BLADED object, which beats a blunt object when it comes to decapitating stuff. I swear the only thing I've ever seen from you that makes any sense is your AC/DC banner, because truly, no one rocks harder.
and yes cap can deal more damage wolverine in instances, one majorly being that Cap can decapitate him with one flick of the shield.
Originally posted by leonidasCap is not going to be nearly fast enough to move his shield to deflect even a few of the Gorgon's strikes, since Gorgon has super-speed. And if the Shield does become annoying (which it wont) Gorgon will simply grab the Shield, take it from Cap, and fling it 100 yards away, since he's y'know super-strong.
i already explained what he could do. for another thing, gorgon won't be able to HIT cap like he could physically strike wolvie OR especially elektra who can't absorb near the damage logan can. wolvie can take a lot of damage, but NOT as much damage as cap's shield
Originally posted by leonidasI repeat: If Cap's shield had any kind of edge it would cut his fingers off when he catches it by the rim, WHICH HE DOES ALL THE TIME!!! This is pretty obvious and I dont know how you are going to argue the point. Sharp edge moving 100 mph, caught by human hands= no fingers. The shield would also get stuck in everything. It would only bounce off of adamantium surfaces. If Cap can cut off Ultron's head Wolverine could do it too. And since Wolverine could not cut off Gorgon's head Cap wont be able to either.
and i'm afraid his shield IS ridiculously sharp. as i've said it cut the head off ultron and has sliced through a host of other materials. in many cases it HAS become imbedded in materials rather than bouncing off. as far as why he can catch the edge? well, it is still a comic
Originally posted by leonidasYeah and Wolverine has slapped around Spidey pretty badly too, yet he (who is faster/stronger/etc. than Cap) got WRECKED by Gorgon. Cap wont do squat to a guy that Wolverine can't beat. Cap doesn't have any useful options that Wolverine does no talready posses.
would cap take all the fights? no. would he take a majority? not sure. gorgon hasn't been seen enough to make a full decision. cap's recent schooling of spidey shows he is easily fast enough and skilled enough to battle superhumans with crazy speed. where is the evidence gorgon is faster than spidey who even with precog couldn't stop cap from laying into him?
Originally posted by leonidasI would say that's wrong, and if not it's debatable anyway. Wolverine was cerebral enough to take out Cap without his claws in Origins. And he was trying not to hurt Cap the whole time.
i liked the above post saying cap would lose the first couple then work it out. cap tends not to rush in like wolverine or elektra, he's more cerebral.
Originally posted by leonidasWho cares? A cap prepared to kill is still not going to be anywhere near as dangerous as Wolverine prepared to kill. And Gorgon obliterated Wolverine and Elektra when they both wanted him dead and they were suped up. Cap will show us nothing Wolverine couldn't do to Gorgon better. Case-closed.
and about the war comment -- he was refrring to a state of mind and you've simply reiterated what i said. in war (and in war he fought a number of superhumans) cap fought to kill. he almost NEVER does in comics. logan and elektra otoh ALWAYS fight to kill. a cap prepared to KILL an opponent is something we almost never see.
Originally posted by leonidasCap has a chance, yet Wolverine and Elektra working together and with power-ups had no chance. I fail to see the logic there.
i was moreorless arguing against the people saying cap has NO chance. he certainly does.
Originally posted by riceroost
Yeah and Wolverine has slapped around Spidey pretty badly too
When has wolverine slapped up Spidey? Scans please. If you looke in the Wolverine respect thread its show him being owned by Spidey on a two occassions....like so..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5163223
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5783398
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5783454
I repeat: If Cap's shield had any kind of edge it would cut his fingers off when he catches it by the rim, WHICH HE DOES ALL THE TIME!!! This is pretty obvious and I dont know how you are going to argue the point. Sharp edge moving 100 mph, caught by human hands= no fingers. The shield would also get stuck in everything. It would only bounce off of adamantium surfaces. If Cap can cut off Ultron's head Wolverine could do it too. And since Wolverine could not cut off Gorgon's head Cap wont be able to either.
Exept that Cap's a expert with the shield as the Poster Texcap once explained it well with this quote.
Most often the argument I've seen tends to be that
it's 'hard to believe' that it can have a sharp edge
because people aren't cleaved in twain when he throws
it at a human, or what not, but to me it becomes very
easy to believe that it simply has to be the manner he
uses this tool whether it becomes an instrument of
destruction or not. Yea, a guy that has the skill to
bank the shield off of 17 different objects in the
room to change it's trajectory to the point that it
hits the villain from behind without his knowing that
it's beent thrown juuuuuuuuust might have the ability
to tweak the shield to the point that it doesn't slice
off appendages with each and every throw.
The distinction remains with the soldier, not with the
weapon.
Meaning Cap knows how to throw it and how to catch it considering we know it has sliced through Red Scull's arm, decapitated Baron Blood and other soilders, to easily go through thick steel engines or equipment and many..many Robots. And we also know it bounces off objects and beings with Cap catching it. Leaves us with just the option that Cap knows how to use it.
Originally posted by Alfheim
When has wolverine slapped up Spidey? Scans please. If you looke in the Wolverine respect thread its show him being owned by Spidey on a two occassions....like so..
Wolverine slapped Spider-Man around in their 2-part team-up in Marvel Comics Presents and stabbed him in the gut in Marvel Knights Spider-Man.
Your Welcome.
Originally posted by Daredevil1You know, I might be inclined to believe this yet I have never heard anyone in a comic remark that the shield has a sharp edge ever. I never heard USAgent say it, or anyone else that has handled the shield. USAgent was pretty bad with the shield initially, yet he never hurt himself catching it and he wasn't the master at it's use that Cap was. Blame this on me not reading a whole lot of Cap comics, but I have never read that anywhere. In all the official descriptions of the shield I also dont remember seeing a sharpened edge mentioned anywhere.
Exept that Cap's a expert with the shield as the Poster Texcap once explained it well with this quote.Most often the argument I've seen tends to be that
it's 'hard to believe' that it can have a sharp edge
because people aren't cleaved in twain when he throws
it at a human, or what not, but to me it becomes very
easy to believe that it simply has to be the manner he
uses this tool whether it becomes an instrument of
destruction or not. Yea, a guy that has the skill to
bank the shield off of 17 different objects in the
room to change it's trajectory to the point that it
hits the villain from behind without his knowing that
it's beent thrown juuuuuuuuust might have the ability
to tweak the shield to the point that it doesn't slice
off appendages with each and every throw.The distinction remains with the soldier, not with the
weapon.Meaning Cap knows how to throw it and how to catch it considering we know it has sliced through Red Scull's arm, decapitated Baron Blood and other soilders, to easily go through thick steel engines or equipment and many..many Robots. And we also know it bounces off objects and beings with Cap catching it. Leaves us with just the option that Cap knows how to use it.
All of this is pointless anyway as having a blade will not help Cap here. Elektra and Wolverine both had blades. Elektra had 2 swords and Wolverine had 6 claws and all they did was piss Gorgon off. Cap's one shield wont do anything that those 2 couldn't do.
gorgon has never shown to be faster than Captain America, in his one fight with Wolverine wolverine got off plent of hits before gorgon hit him, so why cant cap hit him first???, because the one clear fight we have to judge him on, he was hit before he landed hits. Meaning if capt hits him first he will use the sheild to decapitate him, and win.
Originally posted by riceroost
Nice try. The scan of Wolverine passed out in the graveyardfight is obviously a fake. Wolverine also won the graveyard fight. All of Spider-Man's attempts to hurt him proved completely futile, so you shouldn't be using that fight as an example. Wolverine ended that fight sitting on Spider-Man with his claws 2 seconds from sliding into Petey's brain case.
Wrong. Spider-Man was punching his head through tombstones and decided the only way to put Wolverine down was to break his neck (which can be done, think beads on chain). But since Spider-Man is not a killer he didn't do it which is when Wolverine put the claws in his face. Not exactly what I would call Wolverine slapping Spider-Man around when Peter CLEARLY had the advantage.
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine slapped Spider-Man around in their 2-part team-up in Marvel Comics Presents and stabbed him in the gut in Marvel Knights Spider-Man.
Wasn't that the same teamup where Spider-Man webbed up Logan's hands to his face and left him?
And the same Marvel Knights arc where Spider-Man punched Logan through supposedly unbreakable windows?
Besides those discrepancies I agree with what you say. The shield's edges are not sharp but when flung hard enough it can cut. Its one of it many properties that I believe was outlined in and old Avengers or Cap issues.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Wrong. Spider-Man was punching his head through tombstones and decided the only way to put Wolverine down was to break his neck (which can be done, think beads on chain). But since Spider-Man is not a killer he didn't do it which is when Wolverine put the claws in his face. Not exactly what I would call Wolverine slapping Spider-Man around when Peter CLEARLY had the advantage.
That also proves that Wolverine is not as fast and not a good fighter as Cap and DD.