gorgon vs cap america

Originally posted by Alfheim
That also proves that Wolverine is not as fast and not a good fighter as Cap and DD.

Not really. In the Wolverine fight Spider-Man started out normal and Wolverine seemed to have an edge but then Spider-Man got pissed and stopped holding back so him started pummelling Wolvie's head through the gravestones but Wolverine kept standing back up so Spider-Man got mad pissed and grabbed Logan's neck with the intent to break it but ended up calming down when Wolvie put the claws in his face. Against a holding back Spider-Man Logan fared just as well as Cap in CW (looking like he had an edge) but when Spidey got worked up all Wolverine could do heal from his blows. Impressive showing for both characters if you ask me.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Not really. In the Wolverine fight Spider-Man started out normal and Wolverine seemed to have an edge but then Spider-Man got pissed and stopped holding back so him started pummelling Wolvie's head through the gravestones but Wolverine kept standing back up so Spider-Man got mad pissed and grabbed Logan's neck with the intent to break it but ended up calming down when Wolvie put the claws in his face. Against a holding back Spider-Man Logan fared just as well as Cap in CW (looking like he had an edge) but when Spidey got worked up all Wolverine could do heal from his blows. Impressive showing for both characters if you ask me.

Damn....I knew you would ruin it. 🙁

damn, i thought that this tread was dead and buried, glad to see someone saw it, anyway, wolverines got something that caps doesnt have, something that allowed him to continue fighting gorgo, is healing factor, gorgon just kept busting wolverine all up and he kept getting up, in origins logan fought cap and he was holding his ground, and that was holding back, so tell me how is cap gonna resist all the damage this guy can do???

Originally posted by marvelprince
Wrong. Spider-Man was punching his head through tombstones and decided the only way to put Wolverine down was to break his neck (which can be done, think beads on chain).

no.... it can't be done....
I realize it doesn't make sense.. but logans admantium skeleton is bonded at a molecular level, it's what keeps his neck from breaking from hulk uppercuts, it's what keeps his arms from ripping out of their sockets when ba'al tried to pull him apart.. and to be frank, SABRETOOTH HAS ALREADY TRIED THAT ROUTE... it didn't work...

Originally posted by marvelprince
But since Spider-Man is not a killer he didn't do it which is when Wolverine put the claws in his face. Not exactly what I would call Wolverine slapping Spider-Man around when Peter CLEARLY had the advantage.

he acknowledged he only had one way to put logan down and that "one way" would have failed if ateempted then he would be stabbed in the brain... now honestly.. wolverine was the one holding back here.. he had three oppurtunities to kill parker and took advantage of NONE OF THEM.... and lets not forget when all was said and done wolverine was still quick as a whip while spiderman would barely stand up.
some advantage.. 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
That also proves that Wolverine is not as fast and not a good fighter as Cap and DD.

no it doesn't... it just proves that wolverine saw no reason to go all out on spidey since he didn't have to...

dd and cap have to worry about being hit by spidey wolverie doesn't...

the fact that wolverine's already bested both of those aformentioned heroes in h2h proves that he's a better fighter... faster is left up to feats and between the three of them it's a tough call.

Originally posted by jinzin
no it doesn't... it just proves that wolverine saw no reason to go all out on spidey since he didn't have to...

dd and cap have to worry about being hit by spidey wolverie doesn't...

the fact that wolverine's already bested both of those aformentioned heroes in h2h proves that he's a better fighter... faster is left up to feats and between the three of them it's a tough call.

Im sorry im just not having it wolverine is not a better fighter than Cap he is overated. You hardly ever see Wolverine do stuff as complicated as what Cap and DD do in terms of fighting.

since when? 🤨

people don't think he's a good fighter when he's listed as one of the best in the MU...

people don't think he's on the level when he's punked shang chi in 45 panels and almost killed a guy that huymiliated ironfist....

people don't think he can lift the weight he's shown to lift..

take the hits he's shown to take

or heal the wounds he's shown to heal....

hell he's been known to have an unbreakable skeleton forever now and people are still trying to argue that it can be severed....

overated compared to what I ask? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
since when? 🤨

people don't think he's a good fighter when he's listed as one of the best in the MU...

Dont mean hes better than Cap. Tell me how does Wolverine normaly fight....hack and slash...then all of a sudden he is able to do that leg thing on cap...bull****

Originally posted by jinzin

people don't think he's on the level when he's punked shang chi in 45
panels

First of all how did he beat him hack and slash? Secondly Shang chi has no weapons and no healing factor and no armour. I thought 45 panels is alot?

Originally posted by jinzin

and almost killed a guy that huymiliated ironfist....

Hack and slash?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Dont mean hes better than Cap. Tell me how does Wolverine normaly fight....hack and slash...then all of a sudden he is able to do that leg thing on cap...bull****

truth be told that wolverine is used to not having to resort to using his skill.. but the fact is his skill now is better than ever since he aquired ALL of his real memories since house of m.

and it's not an "all of the sudden" thing, wolverine has always shown to have superior fighting ability, speed, and agility when his claws are comprimised.

Originally posted by Alfheim
First of all how did he beat him hack and slash? Secondly Shang chi has no weapons and no healing factor and no armour. I thought 45 panels is alot?

woops I meant 4 to 5 panels.. my bad.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hack and slash?

Originally posted by jinzin
no it's not bullshit..

truth be told that wolverine is used to not having to resort to using his skill.. but the fact is his skill now is better than ever since he aquired ALL of his real memories since house of m.

<Logan possesses memories of being a Samurai in Japan, a mercenary operative for the Central Intelligence Agency, and a "wild man" in the Canadian wilderness. Due to extensive memory implants given to Logan through the Weapon X program, any or all of these memories are suspect.>

Well lets put it this way when Cap fought the Hulk he used pressure points sure it didn't work enough, but when Wolverine fought the hulk did he use pressure points...hack and slash

Originally posted by jinzin

and it's not an "all of the sudden" thing, wolverine has always shown to have superior fighting ability, speed, and agility when his claws are comprimised.
.

Nonsense. For starter both Cap and DD are more acrobatic than Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin

no he used martial arts tactics... blocking shang's strikes and doing an arial assualt with jump kicks...
.

Well yeah I know he can do that but so can Spiderman....and

Originally posted by jinzin

flipping and doging.

Yeah Spiderman can do that too, but Wolverine does not usually flip alot.

Originally posted by Alfheim
<Logan possesses memories of being a Samurai in Japan, a mercenary operative for the Central Intelligence Agency, and a "wild man" in the Canadian wilderness. Due to extensive memory implants given to Logan through the Weapon X program, any or all of these memories are suspect.>

Well lets put it this way when Cap fought the Hulk he used pressure points sure it didn't work enough, but when Wolverine fought the hulk did he use pressure points...hack and slash

cap doesn't have the proper means of hurting hulk, wolverine does.. and we're not talking about pressure points....

why would wolverine use pressure points when his claws are 100% more effective? 😕

that doesn't prove anything other than cap having a reason for needing pressure points while wolverine doesn't...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Nonsense. For starter both Cap and DD are more acrobatic than Wolverine

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah I know he can do that but so can Spiderman....and

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah Spiderman can do that too, but Wolverine does not usually flip alot.

Originally posted by jinzin
cap doesn't have the proper means of hurting hulk, wolverine does.. and we're not talking about pressure points....

why would wolverine use pressure points when his claws are 100% more effective? 😕

So when the green hulk was beating the crap out of him why didnt he use pressure points? Whats going to hurt more claws to flesh or claws to pressure points? In general you know it I know it Wolverine does not show that much skill in fighting but im not saying he is rubbish just not as good as Cap and DD.

Originally posted by jinzin

nope they are just more prone to using their agility.. when kitty pride dissapeared wolverine used his agility to fool onlookers into thinking he was beast.... wolverine has backflipped from one speeding car onto another and front flipped back into the seat of the first car with minimal effort... that's more a case of CIS than anything else.

Originally posted by jinzin

however I didn't mean that he had superior agility to either character.. but he does show superior agility compared to his more abundant showings.. the reason for that being that in the abundance of his showings his claws are not comprimised...

Originally posted by jinzin

😕 so now we're debating about spiderman?

You missed the point. Can you get scans of these fights? Actually forget it dont think it will prove anything.

Originally posted by jinzin

I know.. but again.. his unwillingness to do so doesn't mean that he can't.

Being able to flip shows how agile you are it makes you more difiuclt to hit, if he were really good at it he would do it more often.

P.S. That reminds me the only reason why Wolverine was able to get to cap in the CA issue was because Cap was trying to talk to him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So when the green hulk was beating the crap out of him why didnt he use pressure points? Whats going to hurt more claws to flesh or claws to pressure points?

depends.. hulk's healing factor is crazy fast... the only time cap scored pressure points was against a calm hulk who wasn't paying cap any attention... the hulk that fights logan is always an angry one.... so pressure points are going to be all but useless.. that said we don't know that wolverine ISN'T going for pressure points (there's plenty of evidence to suggest he is, as he strikes a lot at the base of hulk's skull) but wolverine's claw strikes to hulks face would be more effective than any pressure points... considering their almost not effective at all at times.. well.....

Originally posted by Alfheim
In general you know it I know it Wolverine does not show that much skill in fighting but im not saying he is rubbish just not as good as Cap and DD.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Being able to flip shows how agile you are it makes you more difiuclt to hit, if he were really good at it he would do it more often.

Originally posted by Alfheim
P.S. That reminds me the only reason why Wolverine was able to get to cap in the CA issue was because Cap was trying to talk to him.

Originally posted by jinzin

no.. that's a fabrication on your part.. cap even may have been talking at first but when the fight gor rolling cap said he didn't dare hold back against wolverine.. he gave logan his best shot.. it just wasn't enough.

Ok I'll anwser the rest later but this makes me mad.....go and look at the scans and see what happened!!!!! 😠 😠 😠 😠

How DARE you accuse me of fabrication! He was trying to talk to logan and he got headbutted by him!

Gorgon ftw if this is the one from The Inhumans.

Originally posted by jinzin
no.... it can't be done....
I realize it doesn't make sense.. but logans admantium skeleton is bonded at a molecular level, it's what keeps his neck from breaking from hulk uppercuts, it's what keeps his arms from ripping out of their sockets when ba'al tried to pull him apart.. and to be frank, SABRETOOTH HAS ALREADY TRIED THAT ROUTE... it didn't work...

what advantage? 🤨

he acknowledged he only had one way to put logan down and that "one way" would have failed if ateempted then he would be stabbed in the brain... now honestly.. wolverine was the one holding back here.. he had three oppurtunities to kill parker and took advantage of NONE OF THEM.... and lets not forget when all was said and done wolverine was still quick as a whip while spiderman would barely stand up.
some advantage.. 🙄

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wolverine was unable to really do anything, I could say Spiderman had many opportunites to web logan, but then that would destroy the point of going by what's said.

I see, are you talking about the fight in the graveyard? The impression I got was Wolverine was basically getting owned, so you're saying that is the case, please confirm because it seems some one has been blowing things out of, proportion.....again. 😠

Originally posted by jinzin
no.... it can't be done....
I realize it doesn't make sense.. but logans admantium skeleton is bonded at a molecular level, it's what keeps his neck from breaking from hulk uppercuts, it's what keeps his arms from ripping out of their sockets when ba'al tried to pull him apart.. and to be frank, SABRETOOTH HAS ALREADY TRIED THAT ROUTE... it didn't work...

Your right, it doesn't make sense. It did happen in Ultimates and the only main diff is the in the Ultimate universe adamantium is only semi-indestructible. Both if your argument is hey its not the mainstream MU so it doesn't count then there's no hope for you. That thing with Hulk uppercuts is BS though, its the writers fault for not taking it into consideration. If they really cared about stuff like that they wouldn't have Hulk lift mountains or tankers cause thats also impossible. And Nightcrawler's father seemed to have a pretty good idea of how to get around the adamantium skeleton. Anyhoo there really needs to be some clarification about this.

Originally posted by jinzin
what advantage? 🤨

he acknowledged he only had one way to put logan down and that "one way" would have failed if ateempted then he would be stabbed in the brain... now honestly.. wolverine was the one holding back here.. he had three oppurtunities to kill parker and took advantage of NONE OF THEM.... and lets not forget when all was said and done wolverine was still quick as a whip while spiderman would barely stand up.
some advantage.. 🙄

You mean the one way that Wolverine even acknowleged would have worked? And how was Wolverine holding back? I never got the impression that Wolverine was regretful about anything, if anything he was glad to finally fight Spider-Man. What advantage? The guy laying on his back with his head through a broken tombstone and a guy who can break his neck to kill him and you can't see who has the advantage? 🙄

Anyway not to turn this into Spider-Man vs Wolverine thread so I'll just state again that Cap can't handle the amount of damage that Wolverine can nor can dish out the same kind of damage. Gorgon rips him a new one

no.. that's a fabrication on your part.. cap even may have been talking at first but when the fight gor rolling cap said he didn't dare hold back against wolverine.. he gave logan his best shot.. it just wasn't enough.

No he gave his best shot in just one punch and then continued to hold back and talk to Logan, while he had him in a hold. Imagine if Cap has continuesly had done that one punch 100 times over and with his shield. Cap still was holding back.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No he gave his best shot in just one punch and then continued to hold back and talk to Logan, while he had him in a hold. Imagine if Cap has continuesly had done that one punch 100 times over and with his shield. Cap still was holding back.

As much as it hurts me to agree with jinzin, lol, I have to say I was also under the impression that Cap was not holding back. From when he first struck Logan and mentioned how Wolverine had it coming you could tell he was pumped and ready to go. If anything Logan comes off as the one who doesn't really want to fight. Steve does get a pretty impressive showing here though, especially with him being able to disable the claws.

And to an earlier post where it was mentioned how did Wolverine know where to slash Steve to imbolize him, well the anser is that its all part of Wolverine's covert ops training. He's been shown in the past (granted not often) to a master at things like that. Disarming bombs, knowledge of anatomy and physiology are things Wolverine has done. His agility though not played on is also impressive. The reason we don't see it is it cause as jinzin said he doesn't have to show it. Why would he waste time dodging bullets, or some punches if it only takes him a little while to get back up on his feet.