Originally posted by Daredevil1What the hell are you talking about? Gorgon was a character created by Mark Millar for Enemy of the State/Agent of Shield. The same story he was killed in. Gorgon and Karnak have never fought.
Wolverine has his own skills and abilities. ABC logic huh. Gorgon was thrashed and owned by Karnac. And BlackPanther owned Karnac. So I guess Gorgon is a dead man against BlackPanther by your logic.Oh with Math blah blah blah. 🙂
Originally posted by Daredevil1Sigh...
Gorgon from the Inhuman's I thought you were talking about.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Yeah Wolverine won with a FLUKE. He reflected Gorgons rock glare back at him with his claws after Gorgon had him badly beaten. For the purposes of this fight Gorgon does not get the rock stare, nor would he need it to beat Cap.
Ahh from Enemy of State I remember that guy. Didn't know his name was Gorgon as well. Didn't Wolverine beat him in the end?
Originally posted by riceroost
Neither do I, but if I'm debating something I go back and re-read the issues. And with you I have every reason to be an ass. You spout off so much uninformed BS it's pathetic.
Naw man you just got an attitude problem, you're the one that said that Spiderman cant hurt Wolverine, when Wolverine himself said Spiderman could. Dont see you re-reading jack there.
Gorgon, still, rips Cap a new one in the most painful way possible
Daredevil1. I respect your knowledge of Cap (very impressive) but I suggest your look for and read the arc which shows Gorgon's intelligence. Not only does he have a crap load of powers (apparently healing factor/invulnerability) but he's also a genuis. Talking at 3 weeks, proving God exists and all that. Plus he's been a top combatant since before he could shave. He outclasses Cap in every possible area 'cept for experience, in which case it won't help since Logan sure as hell didn't benefit from it. Take it from a Cap fan, Steve is going down
Gorgon, still, rips Cap a new one in the most painful way possibleDaredevil1. I respect your knowledge of Cap (very impressive) but I suggest your look for and read the arc which shows Gorgon's intelligence. Not only does he have a crap load of powers (apparently healing factor/invulnerability) but he's also a genuis. Talking at 3 weeks, proving God exists and all that. Plus he's been a top combatant since before he could shave. He outclasses Cap in every possible area 'cept for experience, in which case it won't help since Logan sure as hell didn't benefit from it. Take it from a Cap fan, Steve is going down
Yeah I remember this guy from Enemy of State now. Yeah I give him the edge. I think Cap is the better hand to hand combatant, but Gorgon brings more tools to the table. Oh and thanks for the compliment.
Originally posted by marvelprincehis healing factor was never shown, he was simply a walking corpse, therefore the blows he took did no damage, and being able to talk at 3weeks has zero to do with winning a fight, i mean Steven Hawking would make me look like an idiot but id still kick his ass.
Gorgon, still, rips Cap a new one in the most painful way possibleDaredevil1. I respect your knowledge of Cap (very impressive) but I suggest your look for and read the arc which shows Gorgon's intelligence. Not only does he have a crap load of powers (apparently healing factor/invulnerability) but he's also a genuis. Talking at 3 weeks, proving God exists and all that. Plus he's been a top combatant since before he could shave. He outclasses Cap in every possible area 'cept for experience, in which case it won't help since Logan sure as hell didn't benefit from it. Take it from a Cap fan, Steve is going down
And why didnt gorgon read Wolverines mind in their last fight??? Because if gorgon is a telepath shouldnt it only be fair to give cap mental blocks like Wolverine got??
And lastly gorgon is a one arc villain whos main stance is when he beat up elektra(which cap has done), and he did that by reading her thoughts so he could predict her moves.
With mental blocks Cap takes it to him, because gorgon has no showings of being able to stand against him.
Originally posted by King KAM
his healing factor was never shown, he was simply a walking corpse, therefore the blows he took did no damage, and being able to talk at 3weeks has zero to do with winning a fight, i mean Steven Hawking would make me look like an idiot but id still kick his ass.
Thats why I said healing factor/invulnerability, cause whatever they did to him had no effect. His genius wasn't supposed to show how he would win, it was to refute a claim that Cap is smarter
Originally posted by King KAM
And why didnt gorgon read Wolverines mind in their last fight??? Because if gorgon is a telepath shouldnt it only be fair to give cap mental blocks like Wolverine got??
Wolverine and Elektra both had mental blocks and it didn't do a damn thing. Wolverine only won cause he managed to reflect the stone stare with his claws. Fortunately for Gorgon he doesn't have the stare in this match
Originally posted by King KAM
And lastly gorgon is a one arc villain whos main stance is when he beat up elektra(which cap has done), and he did that by reading her thoughts so he could predict her moves.
And then he beat a heavily armed and prepped Elektra and Wolverine. Cap can't lay claim to that
Originally posted by King KAM
With mental blocks Cap takes it to him, because gorgon has no showings of being able to stand against him.
Your kidding right? He walked through Elektra and Wolverine w/ mental blocks without batting an eyelash. Captain America goes down hard
Originally posted by marvelprincegorgon didnt heavily beat a wolverine with mental blocks, wolverine landed blows that would have killed any normal being before gorgon even layed a hand on him, MEANING if that were just a battle of skill Wolverine was the better swordsman. Cap being more finesse than Wolverine i beleive cap can land blow which will render gorgon innfective in battle before gorgon can ever catch him.
Thats why I said healing factor/invulnerability, cause whatever they did to him had no effect. His genius wasn't supposed to show how he would win, it was to refute a claim that Cap is smarterWolverine and Elektra both had mental blocks and it didn't do a damn thing. Wolverine only won cause he managed to reflect the stone stare with his claws. Fortunately for Gorgon he doesn't have the stare in this match
And then he beat a heavily armed and prepped Elektra and Wolverine. Cap can't lay claim to that
Your kidding right? He walked through Elektra and Wolverine w/ mental blocks without batting an eyelash. Captain America goes down hard
but then im just making comparissons using the limited information I have..
Originally posted by King KAM
gorgon didnt heavily beat a wolverine with mental blocks, wolverine landed blows that would have killed any normal being before gorgon even layed a hand on him, MEANING if that were just a battle of skill Wolverine was the better swordsman. Cap being more finesse than Wolverine i beleive cap can land blow which will render gorgon innfective in battle before gorgon can ever catch him.but then im just making comparissons using the limited information I have..
Logan landed blow after blow with no effect. Its not like Gorgon was hanging on by a thread or anything. He took all of Logan's blows with little damage to himself. And blows he landed on Wolverine were obviously more effective than the ones Wolverine landed.
Originally posted by marvelprincewolverine was puncturing when he should have been cleaving. Cap will cleave.
Logan landed blow after blow with no effect. Its not like Gorgon was hanging on by a thread or anything. He took all of Logan's blows with little damage to himself. And blows he landed on Wolverine were obviously more effective than the ones Wolverine landed.
So Cap is a killer now?
Cap will kill or even lop off parts if he has too for a last resort.
In Cap volume 1 he killed Baron Blood by chopping off his head and another time Cap used a machine gun to kill that Ultimatum Agent. At one point Cap chopped off the Red Scull's arm when Scull was about to reach the cosmic cube.
In volume 3 Cap kills the Red Scull who had in possesion a cosmic cube.
In volume 5 Cap killed a terrorist with one punch, of course Cap only does this as a last resort, as Cap even is distressed and or emotionally hurt a bit since he doesn't like to do it now that he's a superhero and not just a soilder in war. Its definatly a burden to him if thats what you mean.
Originally posted by Daredevil1i thought that was Cap v4 #03 where he kills al tariq with one punch....but i could be wrong, i get my versions confused at times
Cap will kill or even lop off parts if he has too for a last resort.In Cap volume 1 he killed Baron Blood by chopping off his head and another time Cap used a machine gun to kill that Ultimatum Agent. At one point Cap chopped off the Red Scull's arm when Scull was about to reach the cosmic cube.
In volume 3 Cap kills the Red Scull who had in possesion a cosmic cube.
In volume 5 Cap killed a terrorist with one punch, of course Cap only does this as a last resort, as Cap even is distressed and or emotionally hurt a bit since he doesn't like to do it now that he's a superhero and not just a soilder in war. Its definatly a burden to him if thats what you mean.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Naw man you just got an attitude problem,
Originally posted by AlfheimJesus christ, are you still on about that BS?!? Go to the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine forum if you want to whine about it some more fanboy. It's adamantium. Spidey cant break it. Use your brain. Wolverine was screwing with his head. This is Cap vs. Gorgon. STFU.
you're the one that said that Spiderman cant hurt Wolverine, when Wolverine himself said Spiderman could.
Originally posted by AlfheimI am debating Gorgon, why would I re-read Spidey vs. Wolvy # 1 for a Gorgon debate. You are a clown shoe.
Dont see you re-reading jack there.
Originally posted by marvelprinceCo-signed.
Gorgon, still, rips Cap a new one in the most painful way possible
Originally posted by King KAMGorgon has to have some sort of high level healing factor or invulnerability. He took an explosion aimed right at him from Shield, 10 through and through stabs from elektra and Wolvy, a 100 mph football tackle from a guy with an adamantium skeleton who can knock out guys with level 5 durability, a german suplex off the side of a building and through a roof, 10 more through and through stabbings, etc.
his healing factor was never shown, he was simply a walking corpse, therefore the blows he took did no damage
If Gorgon was just a walking corpse he wouldn't have been able to move by the end of the fight. He got stabbed so many times by Elektra and Wolverine that most of the muscles in his upper body would have been rendered useless. He shouldn't have been able to move his arms at all, yet he did no problem. His bones would have had to be pulverized by the 100 mph adamantium missile and the fall off the side of the building. The only way he could have continued that fight was if he had some sort of self repairing power.
Originally posted by King KAMIt gives a general idea of how mentally talented the guy is. If this was black Panther's intelligence we were talking about you would all say, oh his intelligence definately helps him be a better fighter. Gorgon was a super genius at everything he did. Language, music, mathematics, fighting, etc.
and being able to talk at 3weeks has zero to do with winning a fight, i mean Steven Hawking would make me look like an idiot but id still kick his ass.
Originally posted by King KAMWhy would Cap be allowed mental blocks? That's an unfair advantage for Cap. What difference could it possibly in a million years make in this fightanyway? Wolverine and Elektra got whored with psi-blocks. Cap is dead.
And why didnt gorgon read Wolverines mind in their last fight??? Because if gorgon is a telepath shouldnt it only be fair to give cap mental blocks like Wolverine got??
Originally posted by King KAMAnd he would read Cap's mind and kick him to death just like he did to Elektra.
And lastly gorgon is a one arc villain whos main stance is when he beat up elektra(which cap has done), and he did that by reading her thoughts so he could predict her moves.
And beating on Elekta was not Gorgon's big moment. Gorgon's main moment is when he annihilated elektra and Wolverine at the same time even though they blew up his house, stabbed him 20 times, and had power-ups while doing it. Then he obliterated an entire battalion of similarly amped up Shield agents in the blink of an eye. Then he took a 100 mph football tackle from a man with adamantium bones and got german suplexed off the side of a building, stabbed another 20 times and still wasn't even remotely hurt.
Originally posted by King KAMSigh, you dont seem to get it.
With mental blocks Cap takes it to him, because gorgon has no showings of being able to stand against him.
Wolverine and Elektra had the following when Gorgon smeared him:
power-ups
special tech
mental blocks
shield battalion backup
massive prep
pre-fight bombing of Gorgon.
AND IT DID ABSOLUTELY DICK!! They both still got obliterated. Are you saying Cap can get done what Wolverine, Elektra, shield, and a boatload of power-ups couldn't do??? Be realistic for god's sake.
Originally posted by King KAM
gorgon didnt heavily beat a wolverine with mental blocks, wolverine landed blows that would have killed any normal being before gorgon even layed a hand on him, MEANING if that were just a battle of skill Wolverine was the better swordsman. Cap being more finesse than Wolverine i beleive cap can land blow which will render gorgon innfective in battle before gorgon can ever catch him.
Originally posted by King KAMIf Wolverine and Elektra couldn't cleave than how the hell will Cap do it?
wolverine was puncturing when he should have been cleaving. Cap will cleave.