Originally posted by capt it up
in a none PIS fight capt wins 6-7.what the hell are you on
in a non PIS fight capt is totaly screwed. PIS means no fighting out side your abilities.
gorgon has superhuman speed,strength,agility,reflex,healing factor,durability and telepathic.
capts peakhuman how can you even figure he can hang with gorgon is beyond me
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I said in a non-PIS fight Cap would win AGAINST wolverine, not Gorgon
Gorgon beats all street levelers 😉
Originally posted by Grimm22
😐I said in a non-PIS fight Cap would win AGAINST wolverine, not Gorgon
Gorgon beats all street levelers 😉
Cap against Wolverine is debatable but fortunately thats not the discussion here.
Long as everyone agrees Gorgon rips Cap a new one in the most painful way imaginable all should be fine
Originally posted by Alfheimhow can they be a level above wolverine in fighting? the highest leve on most marvel scales is 7 and wolverine is and always has been a 7 on that scale.
Well its like this. I used to have the Marvel RPG game and it stated that Wolive was one level below Cap in fighting and agility, also he was one level below DD in agility. I think that was pretty accurate and I think I have seen similar stats in other sources.
Originally posted by Alfheimoy, the problem with this is that I can argue and easily argue at that, that wolverine didn't want to 'touch" spidey with those claws of his... the whole time wolverine was telling spidey to scram... during the middle of the fight wolverine literally lets spiderman wail away on him... his guard up, claws in the way, then he lets spiderman hit him "here it comes"....😐 and arms go to his sides.
When Wolverine had that graveyard fight what happened was realistic, Wolverine did not touch him once, the only time he got to touch him was when Spiderman let him. Cap and DD can connect with Spiderman lots of times which proves that they are faster and better fighters than Wolverine,
now that would only be speculation except for... when wolverine DID hit spidey it was clawless... and in every other h2h encounter they've had, wolverine's hit spiderman without much trouble at all. You can't pretend like the times that wolverine bitchslapped spidey accross a rooftop, kicked him in the balls, slammed his head into a tree, and stabbed him don't exist just because doing so suits your argument.. hell he hasn't even had to rely on tricking spidey's spider sense out like dd does. so no your examle DOESN"T prove that they're faster or better.. because it's heavily flawed.... not to forgot that spiderman claimed he gave wolverine "EVERYTHING HE HAD" when has he ever made that claim against dd or cap? oh that's right.. never.
Originally posted by Alfheimagain... flawed argument.. it's not all of the sudden and how would an upgrade effect fighting ability? 🤨
but all of a sudden he is putting DD in a nelson in 3 panels and doing Cap with a slice on the leg. If he has been upgraded fine, but only because he has got upgraded.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Please tell me he was upgraded.
nope.
Originally posted by Alfheim
If he has been upgraded fine, but apart from that this is how a fight between Cap or DD should be....Wolvie trys to slice them, but they dodge and dodge until they get tired...and then he finally gets them....not getting put in a full nelson in 3 panels what a load of ****.
again i ask why?
wolverine's experience is above their class both combined.
wolverine's training is superior to either one of them.
wolverine was almost at cap's level before he joined up with weapon x.
wolverine's hyperactive senses are capible of dragging bullets down to slo-mo in his mind's eye.
all of this combined with his ability to go 100% longer than either of these two means a general curbstomp in h2h combat... and if we're going to argue about how the character's SHOULD be portrayed then I have a MASSIVE bone to pick with people that write wolverine in comics... but it's not up to you and I to decide how things are.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I know he can be fast and be a good fighter but his agility used to be 4 and the fight between him and spidey was realistic. Im only giving allowance for upgrades.
if you're deciding on what wolverine's capible of and what he's not doesn't that make your whole cap vs. spidey argument a while back hypocritical? 😬
Originally posted by Alfheimhe gets on a lot of people's nerves... but being disgruntled with a character shouldn't mean that you discard the things he or she has done.
He's getting on my nerves hes getting upgraded and punking people he should not....and now he's regnerating from a skeleton please somebody down grade him!
Originally posted by Alfheim
First of all dont accuse me of lying, you dont even know me, accuse me of being wrong but not of lying, got it?
Originally posted by Alfheim
What version are you talking about, im talking about the TSR game that came out in the late 80s and early 90s! For about half a decade Wolverine was one level below in fighting and agility to Cap. I can even direct you to the source. The only other version of the RPG is SAGA and I don,t have that version I have looked at a SAGA website and it doesnt even put fighting into category.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Were? Are you talking about the SAGA game which I do not have
Originally posted by Alfheim
As far as I can remember there were some cards that came out in 1993 that listed Caps agility as 5 and Beats as 5 and Wolverine as 4 (im not sure if I had a wolverine card but it think alot of people will consider Wolverine to be less agile to Beast)....maybe they have changed but as far as I know there are people on here that can confirm that Cap's agility
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well you had better show me.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Even if it does show it what has Wolverine done to deserve to have highier agility
Originally posted by Alfheim
and fighting.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Even with his upgrade it does not state that he has enhanced reflexes,
Originally posted by Alfheim
and it also says his memories of fighting in Japan and over plces are dubious because of memory implants.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Er excuse me how many times did Logan cut Spiderman?
Originally posted by Alfheim
So Wolverine was letting Spiderman dodge?
Originally posted by Alfheim
All the best fighters can tag Spidey even if they cant beat him.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wolverine does not touch him once all of a sudden he is a better fighter and faster than Cap and DD.
Originally posted by Alfheim
GIVE ME SCANS PEOPLES!!!!!! I aint taking you're word for jack,
Here are the issue number spiderman marvel knights 13 and 14 and maybe 15
Also spiderman vs wolverine nuff said. When they fight on a roof top
Originally posted by Alfheim
I also remember Spiderman dodging the whole of the X-men in Secret Wars. Wolverine didnt touch him once again.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Right so Spiderman cant do that.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap cant do that......all of a sudden he does that to DD in 3 panels
Originally posted by Alfheim
The only way Wolverine gets to punk DD, Cap or Spiderman is with upgrades and even then his strength has only been put peak human.
Also wolverine strength is in the superhuman ranges
Originally posted by jinzin
hey buddy (staying out of this one out of respect for both parties..).. loving the new sig though.... great stuff.
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i figured something like that. s'cool. pretty sure i know where you stand on the issue anyway. 😉 i'm sure cap would lose most (you likely think all) of the fights, but it's the degree of the beatings i was taking umbrage with. besides, i luv the underdog and i'm a small cap slappy so don't like seeing him dissed so horrendously. 😬 truth be told though, it's not really an issue i feel all that strongly about . . .
as for the sig -- never would have known about it if you hadn't brought it to my attention. i dl'd it. i thought it was good, not great. problem was i couldn't stop comparing to pressfield's gates of fire. a direct comparison of the 2 does NOT do 300 any favors. 😬 still though, a worthwhile read.
Originally posted by leonidas
😆i figured something like that. s'cool. pretty sure i know where you stand on the issue anyway. 😉 i'm sure cap would lose most (you likely think all) of the fights, but it's the degree of the beatings i was taking umbrage with. besides, i luv the underdog and i'm a small cap slappy so don't like seeing him dissed so horrendously. 😬 truth be told though, it's not really an issue i feel all that strongly about . . .
as for the sig -- never would have known about it if you hadn't brought it to my attention. i dl'd it. i thought it was good, not great. problem was i couldn't stop comparing to pressfield's gates of fire. a direct comparison of the 2 does NOT do 300 any favors. 😬 still though, a worthwhile read.
lol.. actually i think cap could pull some wins here from gorgon AND against wolverine.. the greatest help to gorgon was wolverine's CIS in that he didn't choose to or remember to slice gorgon intstead of just stabbing him... a few shield tosses will fix that right up...
anywho... ahh well.. damn.. now I feel like a bad friend, I tried ebay got outbid every time.. then I went to the comic shops and found a couple, but I've been saving them for when I've collectied them all.. but if you've already read it welll..... oh well.. sorry bro.