Is this an all out battle? Interesting. ROTJ Sidious is most likely at his peak(or maybe not, maybe in DE), and ESB Yoda is almost dead. I would think ESB Yoda is pretty much defenseles for anything except force powers. But it would be interesting. Him and Obiwan would probably be too much of a match for ROTJ Sidious.
Not prepared? You've gotta be kidding me. Sids basically tells him whats about to happen. "Now you will experience the full power of the dark side". He then slowly brings his hands up and fires the lightning - sending Yoda flying across the room. The second time yes, Yoda did manage to block some of it. But then it became to powerful for even him to handle and he was thrown backwards.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Not prepared? You've gotta be kidding me. Sids basically tells him whats about to happen. "Now you will experience the full power of the dark side". He then slowly brings his hands up and fires the lightning - sending Yoda flying across the room. The second time yes, Yoda did manage to block some of it. But then it became to powerful for even him to handle and he was thrown backwards.
Again, what makes you think that he was prepared considering the fact that he shot it back at him, then absorbed it? It's the same for him force pushing Sidious. And no, it didn't become too powerful for him. Notice how he was absorbing and the distance got so close that they both were shot back, and since he weighs 40 lbs he got the worst end. Watch the fight again.
Either way we havent seen Yoda completely absorb Sids lightning - not like he did to Dookus. The first time might have caught him off guard (although I find that hard to beleive for the reasons stated I before) and the second time he was blown backwards. Now seeing that Yoda is physically weaker in ESB there is nothing to suggest he would be able to block it.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Either way we havent seen Yoda completely absorb Sids lightning - not like he did to Dookus. The first time might have caught him off guard (although I find that hard to beleive for the reasons stated I before) and the second time he was blown backwards. Now seeing that Yoda is physically weaker in ESB there is nothing to suggest he would be able to block it.
Uh, he didn't absorb Dooku's lightning because Dooku's lightning was nowhere near as powerful as Sidious'. And he supposedly shot Sidious' lightning back at him so I don't see what your point is. Yoda is weaker in esb physically, that doesn't mean his force superiority isn't there anymore, not to mention he has an older and wiser Obiwan. I don't think Sidious can handle the two.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Uh, he didn't absorb Dooku's lightning because Dooku's lightning was nowhere near as powerful as Sidious'.
That doesnt make sense. He didnt absorb it because its not as strong? I think I get your point though. Yoda absorbed Dooku's lightning because he was strong enough to do so. He wasnt able and we havent seen him be able to do the same to Sids lightning. Why? Because Sids is far stronger in the force than Dooku and his lightning will eventually overwhelm our 'little green friend'.
And he supposedly shot Sidious' lightning back at him so I don't see what your point is.
When? If it wasnt in the movie or deleted scenes then it is not canon. Point moot.
Yoda is weaker in esb physically, that doesn't mean his force superiority isn't there anymore, not to mention he has an older and wiser Obiwan. I don't think Sidious can handle the two.
True, Yoda probably still has the same force powers - if not more. But Sids will have got stronger as well. Again point moot. Because they have there lightsabers I dont know who will win. Kenobi sucks with a saber and Yoda has not been seen with a saber since ROTS. I dont know what happened to Sidious' saber though.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
That doesnt make sense. He didnt absorb it because its not as strong? I think I get your point though. Yoda absorbed Dooku's lightning because he was strong enough to do so. He wasnt able and we havent seen him be able to do the same to Sids lightning. Why? Because Sids is far stronger in the force than Dooku and his lightning will eventually overwhelm our 'little green friend'.
Dooku's lightning=/Sidious' lightning, there's no arguing that. Yoda DID the same to Sidious' lightning(either in the script or novelization), and he absorbed it so I don't know what your point is exactly.
True, Yoda probably still has the same force powers - if not more. But Sids will have got stronger as well. Again point moot. Because they have there lightsabers I dont know who will win. Kenobi sucks with a saber and Yoda has not been seen with a saber since ROTS. I dont know what happened to Sidious' saber though. [/QUOTE]
Sidious did get stronger or at least more knowledgable as did Yoda. How is that a moot point exactly? Do you know what a moot point is? Now Kenobi sucks with a saber? Considering this is the best version of Obiwan, he sucks now? The two would overwhelm Sidious more times than not.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Dooku's lightning=/Sidious' lightning, there's no arguing that. Yoda DID the same to Sidious' lightning(either in the script or novelization), and he absorbed it so I don't know what your point is exactly.
Can you please explain to me when Yoda was able to absorb his lightning. The first time he got pwned by it.The second time he was able to hold it off for a short amount of time but eventually got overwhelmed.
Sidious did get stronger or at least more knowledgable as did Yoda. How is that a moot point exactly? Do you know what a moot point is?
Its a point moot because in ROTS Yoda wasnt able to hold off the lightning. Now they both got stronger in the force since then. For the sake of the argument lets say their force powers doubled. Nothing different is going to happen. Yoda will still be able to hold it off for a short time but he will still get overwhelmed. Do you see my point?
Now Kenobi sucks with a saber? Considering this is the best version of Obiwan, he sucks now? The two would overwhelm Sidious more times than not.
With a saber, yes, Kenobi sucks. I would say Kenobi is the weak link here. Yoda was the best duellist but he is now sick and weak. This means that Sidious is now the top dog in this fight. In a lightsaber duel I would say that Sidious takes this. A force battle Sids would eventually get overcome.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Can you please explain to me when Yoda was able to absorb his lightning. The first time he got pwned by it.The second time he was able to hold it off for a short amount of time but eventually got overwhelmed.
I guess we were watching different then right? Let me ask you something, if Yoda was overwhelmed the first time as you say, how did he magically shoot it back at Sidious and/or absorbed it? And no Yoda didn't get overwhelmed, it was Sidious with the scared shitless look on his face at the end. They both were pushed off as a result of all that energy, only Yoda weights 5 times less than Sidious. The end..
Its a point moot because in ROTS Yoda wasnt able to hold off the lightning. Now they both got stronger in the force since then. For the sake of the argument lets say their force powers doubled. Nothing different is going to happen. Yoda will still be able to hold it off for a short time but he will still get overwhelmed. Do you see my point?
Except that Yoda did hold the lightning off. So your lightning argument doesn't work because your word is contrary to what was actually happening.
With a saber, yes, Kenobi sucks. I would say Kenobi is the weak link here. Yoda was the best duellist but he is now sick and weak. This means that Sidious is now the top dog in this fight. In a lightsaber duel I would say that Sidious takes this. A force battle Sids would eventually get overcome.
Kenobi doesn't suck with a saber, notice how he was only defeated by Dooku and it was an ALL OUT battle. Sidious is also old and weak and hasn't touched his saber in God knows how long.
What is up with everyone saying Yoda absorbed Dooku's and Palpatine's lighting? He reflected them back not absorbed. Yoda was capable of blasting Dooku's lighting with one hand. With Palpatine it took both hands and a strong focus and it resulted in Yoda and Palpatine being blasted back. Yoda is like 40 lbs and because of that got thrown further.
Obi-Wan doesn't suck with a lightsaber. He was capable of clashing blades with Vader point for point, the same Vader who defeated 3-6 Jedi at once.
As for Yoda and Palpatine. Yoda didn't seem sick in Empire Strikes Back. He seemed excited at first when he was going through Luke's stuff. And I doubt Yoda would have lost his ability to fight during those 20+ years. I mean how often did Yoda ever fight before The Phantom Meance and Attack of the Clones?
Obi-Wan would be stronger in the Force but so is Palpatine. I have to lean towards Yoda and Obi-Wan.
Actually Yoda does absorb Dooku's lightning. He was trying to absorb Sidious's in the Senate chamber but he couldn't. So rather he then tried to deflect it, which he kinda did, but the resulting force from Sidious lightning and Yoda's deflection of the lightning sorta created a mini "force-explosion" and sent them both flying. But he DID absorb Dooku's lightning in AOTC, and pretty easily.
As for the fight I think that Sidious takes it, ESB Yoda is basically on the verge of death, and weak (not in the force mind you) and Obi-Wan was never powerful enough to fight Sidious. "To fight this lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not." as Yoda told him in ROTS. So while Obi has undoubtedly improved (in force abilities) so has Palpatine, so I doubt he'd stand a chance against Sidious as of ANH. Yoda on the other hand was Sidious' equal in ROTS, but now he's old and frail, and prolly not as fast or agile.
This would come down to a battle of the force in the end, as Sabers would be pretty well useless, seeing as Palpatine disarmed a stronger, faster,younger Yoda in ROTS, and since Obi-Wan isnt as powerful as Yoda (by a long shot) then he would prolly be able to do the same to Kenobi. Plus everyone here is old and frail and prolly all suck at saber dueling compared to their ROTS selves anyways.
At any rate, I say Palpatine overpowers the old Yoda and just plain beats Obi-Wan.