Mace Wundu versus Darth Maul and Darth Vader · Star Wars Versus Forum

Vader also rips apart Wrosher trees (blaster fire did nothing to them), Controls his lightsaber from far distances even when a Jedi tries to interfere from close range, throws many objects at Luke and a lot more.

Mace couldn't contend with force attacks like these, especially with Maul there for a melee distraction.

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Vader himself is as good or better than Mace.

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2. Actually its the dark rage within Kun, not how angry Kun is at the time. The dark rage within him always stays the same, whether he's amused, happy, irritated etc. - it stays constant.

3. There are probably more ways of defending against the amulet blasts, telekinesis for instance. Also I never did get what people meant when they say that Luke can just create a loop with the force. How exactly dos it work?

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Darth Sexiest Master Of Darth Sexy

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Darth Vader alone would be a match for Windu(mind you he wouldn't beat him), so adding Maul would be too much. Then again, Maul's style requires space so the cohesiveness between the two is going to be shaky considering Vader uses powerful slashes.

Actually my apprentice, Mace Windu could beat Darth Vader, without Vapaad he would have at least a good 50-50 chance, with it, Vader wouldn't stand much of a chance. Also, Juyo dosen't require alot of space to use, your confusing it with Ataru, which does.

The art of Juyo can be utilised specially within close quarters range. (As seen with the fight of Darth Maul VS Qui-Gon Jinn.)
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Quinlan_Vos [:::::{============)

Actually my apprentice, Mace Windu could beat Darth Vader, without Vapaad he would have at least a good 50-50 chance, with it, Vader wouldn't stand much of a chance. Also, Juyo dosen't require alot of space to use, your confusing it with Ataru, which does.

Darth Vader might not be as fast as his former self, but he's still very good. He has mastered the Dark Side and many other lightsaber abilities including the use of Makashi/Djem So while using the Force with another hand. Mace's Force Crush might be deadly, but Vader can probably block it by throwing something.

Mace withou Vapaad WILLL LOSE to Vader. Only by using Vapaad can Mace actually defeat him, and this will be a close duel.

Vader, as I have mentioned hundreds of times before, grows up to 80% of Sidious. 80% of Sidious is Count Dooku. Mace Windu I would say is anywhere from 80-92% of Sidious.

Therefore, Mace MIGHT be better than Darth Vader however the Dark Lord will put up a good deal of a fight.

Maul and Vader would easily defeat mace windu.

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jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

I doubt Windu could keep up with a force user like Vader. Vader's typical strategy is engage in lightsaber combat, if they're tough, own them with the force. I don't see why this would play out differently.

Darth Sexiest Master Of Darth Sexy

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Darth Vader might not be as fast as his former self, but he's still very good. He has mastered the Dark Side and many other lightsaber abilities including the use of Makashi/Djem So while using the Force with another hand. Mace's Force Crush might be deadly, but Vader can probably block it by throwing something.
Mace withou Vapaad WILLL LOSE to Vader. Only by using Vapaad can Mace actually defeat him, and this will be a close duel.
Vader, as I have mentioned hundreds of times before, grows up to 80% of Sidious. 80% of Sidious is Count Dooku. Mace Windu I would say is anywhere from 80-92% of Sidious.
Therefore, Mace MIGHT be better than Darth Vader however the Dark Lord will put up a good deal of a fight.
Maul and Vader would easily defeat mace windu.

Wow, Quinlan that was well said. thumbsup
I think you said it even better than I did.
But wasen't Vader already alot more powerful than Count Dooku?

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jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Mace's force crush could be countered by Vader pushing outwards with the force ( http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=82&page=14 ), and Vader is much better at force attacks. Vader would hold his own in saber combat, break away, and then outclass Mace with the force.

Borbarad Advocatus Diaboli

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Vader himself is as good or better than Mace.

Oh yeah ? He is ?
May I remind you that Vader is limited to 80 % of Sidious power...the same Sidious that had his ass handed to Mace Windu in a lightsaber fight ? So how is Vader "as good or better" than Mace given that this is Vader in his suit ?

And Maul ? Maul was destroyed by Sidious in a lightsaber duel. Sidious was moving his blade so and precise around Maul that Maul would have been cut if he had moved a single muscle. Still...the same Sidious that had his ass handed to Mace Windu in a lightsaber duel.

I'd say Mace obliterates Maul and then takes Vader down...

Council#13 The Omega Male

Originally posted by Forcemaster
The place where Luke confronts Vader is called The Cave of Despair. Vader and Maul would swamp Windu. No pun intended.

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Anyway, it depends on which era Windu and which era Vader it is. If it's ROTS, then Windu is going to lose. A ROTS Windu vs. Vader fight would be debatable, and add a TPM Maul to ROTS Vader, and Windu will lose after putting up quite a fight. But if this is damaged Vader, then he has to protect his chest where is life support system is, or he had to when fighting Roan Shryne (sp?). Windu's Vaapad would probably make it extremely difficult for Vader to block them all, as he is seriously hindered. Maul would keep Windu distracted, but he would win. So...

Windu vs. OT Vader and TPM Maul = Windu
Windu vs. ROTS Vader and TPM Maul = the duo

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh yeah ? He is ?
May I remind you that Vader is limited to 80 % of Sidious power...the same Sidious that had his ass handed to Mace Windu in a lightsaber fight ? So how is Vader "as good or better" than Mace given that this is Vader in his suit ?
And Maul ? Maul was destroyed by Sidious in a lightsaber duel. Sidious was moving his blade so and precise around Maul that Maul would have been cut if he had moved a single muscle. Still...the same Sidious that had his ass handed to Mace Windu in a lightsaber duel.
I'd say Mace [b]obliterates Maul and then takes Vader down... [/B]

Ass handed is a bit of an overstatement isen't it? They were totally equal until Mace sensed his shatterpoint....

Yeah, the same Sidious, except that Sidious by ROTS hasn't held a saber for 13 years straight....

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh yeah ? He is ?
May I remind you that Vader is limited to 80 % of Sidious power...the same Sidious that had his ass handed to Mace Windu in a lightsaber fight ? So how is Vader "as good or better" than Mace given that this is Vader in his suit ?
And Maul ? Maul was destroyed by Sidious in a lightsaber duel. Sidious was moving his blade so and precise around Maul that Maul would have been cut if he had moved a single muscle. Still...the same Sidious that had his ass handed to Mace Windu in a lightsaber duel.
I'd say Mace [b]obliterates Maul and then takes Vader down... [/B]

Maybe we're forgetting Nai, but power is a bit seperate from a saber battle, and Mace didn't twitch and put Sidious down, they were very, very much on par.
Maul considered himself at least an even match for Mace and was able to take down Qui-Gon, by all accounts on par with Mace at that time. Granted, he got better...but so did Vader and Sidious throughout the years.

and last I checked, Palpatine got stronger. Is it 'eighty percent' of ROTS Sidious or the stronger Ot version? Which, again, has no regards to swordsmanship, especially from a guy like Vader who managed to destroy Roan Shryne, one of the Order's best bladesmen...and Anoon Bondarra was another extremely skilled bladesman in the Jedi Order. Maul's ability left him with suicide as his only option.

Vader also managed to counter...five Jedi at once? Experienced masters and knights? Including one who was a Jedi AND Morgukai trained, considered to be 'unstoppabe' in battle?

And Vader is, at least, on par with Mace.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

To quote a wise man I once knew:

Originally posted by jollyjim311
I doubt Windu could keep up with a force user like Vader. Vader's typical strategy is engage in lightsaber combat, if they're tough, own them with the force. I don't see why [a fight with Windu] would play out differently.