Originally posted by PVS
you shouldnt believe that they would have done a better job just as you shouldnt believe that they would have done a worse job. it would be a fool's assumption either way.
that's exactly my point. while it’s quite important to be mindful of any politician’s views and ideas, there’s just no way to predict the future.
ok, then we agree. but your original point was that people like myself are twisting this into a bipartisan issue against the president, when really we are just pointing out that the president is and will be twisting this into a bipartisan issue.
and in this case i can confidently say that i can predict the future, and would wager all my money on it.
Originally posted by PVS
ok, then we agree. but your original point was that people like myself are twisting this into a bipartisan issue against the president, when really we are just pointing out that the president is and will be twisting this into a bipartisan issue.
well, my original point was that I thought too many people were just completely looking past the “fact of the matter” and getting right into the political propaganda aspect of the whole situation. but whatever my original point was, I guess we both agree to…well, agree.
Originally posted by PVS
and in this case i can confidently say that i can predict the future, and would wager all my money on it.
let's hear it!
eat
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
No, you're missing my point completely. It's the way the attempted attack is exploited to foster an atmosphere of fear. This, in turn, is used as a pretext for real restrictions on personal freedom, and also as a reason to continue the disgustingly ironic 'war on terror' by using more terror.
but you miss the flip side...how else do you describe the incident to the public
a) you shut down the airport and tell no-one anything...creating confusion and anger...
b) you shut down the airport and tell them that the threat isn't as severe as it actually is then the actions of shutting down the airport seem totally out of proportion and designed to cause fear
c) you tell people the true nature of the threat and you are also accused of inciting fear
simply put...the government cant win
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Bush-on-British-.mov
yeah, i know the linked site is ironic, but its the only place i could find for a straight download without registration requiremnents and all that shit.
my favorite line:
"i wanna thank uh....the government of tony blair"
Originally posted by PVS
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Bush-on-British-.movyeah, i know the linked site is ironic, but its the only place i could find for a straight download without registration requiremnents and all that shit.
my favorite line:
"i wanna thank uh....the government of tony blair"
hahaha...the scrolling headlines are brilliant...
florida wildlife officials say a man riding a personal watercraft was knocked unconcious by a sturgeon when it jumped out the water and hit him
😆 😂 😆
Well, whatever anybody else says, I'm glad that George W. Bush is our president.
To be perfectly clear, I give him 0 % credit for the arrests in London, since it was British intelligence and British law enforcement (whether they had help from the U.S. or not) that foiled the plot.
However, its been his administration that has said "Enough is enough. We will no longer tolerate the blowing up of our embassy's, the sinking of our ships, the spreading of violence through terrorism. And if you help or support terrorism, we're gonna hand you your ass aswell."
I don't give a crap about the U.N. or the rest of the worlds feelings.
Things like the Canadians who would blow up builidings and kill members of parliament, the London bombings of last year, and now this airport plot just go to show that the Islamic radicals don't take sabbaticals.
They want to harm and destroy all of the western civilized democracy's of the world..... only some of us are more aware of it than others.
And the U.N.? Screw 'em, they aren't helping us.
I know what you're thinking:
"One shouldn't be able to be arrogant enough to scoff at world opinion."
Man, that is exactly how the Holocaust happened. The countries that COULD have acted didn't, because "world opinion" was not in favor of taking action against Nazi Germany. You are treading on thin ice with that argument. By the by, in its short history, the UN has done very little to attain or maintain peace in any international conflict. And they are made up of nations with agendas that tend towards the anti-semitic.
Israel has no friend in the UN.
France is obviously in cahoots with a bunch of the worst offenders in the Arab nations - it does billions of dollars each year in business dealings with them.
The Arab League runs the show at the UN, not the US. It has been that way for decades.
No one but America had the nerve to take a stand against the terrorist nations after 9/11 (we managed to talk a few countries into aiding us, but they never would have done it without our participation and leadership), and I would argue we still don't stand up to them enough. Saudi Arabia should not be considered our ally. Neither should most of the Middle Eastern countries, or France, Russia, Mexico, etc. But that's beside the point of this discussion.
The UN is made up of a bunch of guys who are best at wringing their hands when they're not sitting on them. They have been somewhat helpful in providing aid to African nations, but that's about it. And they don't even really do a good job of that, because the warlords tend to take all of the food and supplies that are intended for the people and keep them for themselves or sell them for profit.
And the UN continues to allow this, year after year. What did they do to help in the Sudan? Liberia? Mongolia? Serbia? Iraq? The UN is ineffectual at best; and as evidence has become more and more readily available, it looks that they are incredibly corrupt as well.
Todays news is just the latest in a long line events that show us one thing: the terrorists are in it to win it.
Are we?
Originally posted by PVS
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Bush-on-British-.movyeah, i know the linked site is ironic, but its the only place i could find for a straight download without registration requiremnents and all that shit.
my favorite line:
"i wanna thank uh....the government of tony blair"
My favourite is how he wanders around confused in the end and once his car arrives he finishes off with a nice "Heil Hitler"...
anyway, is crooks and liars like the first site you check every day when you go on the Internet?
Originally posted by Bardock42
My favourite is how he wanders around confused in the end and once his car arrives he finishes off with a nice "Heil Hitler"...anyway, is crooks and liars like the first site you check every day when you go on the Internet?
they have the decency to offer up spam-free and registration-free video clips. so yes, when looking for video clips i check there first. i do check them out daily along with all the ridiculous shit i bookmarked, kmc being one
:edit: thank you sithsaber
truthiness shall always prevail.
Originally posted by PVS
they have the decency to offer up spam-free and registration-free video clips. so yes, when looking for video clips i check there first. i do check them out daily along with all the ridiculous shit i bookmarked, kmc being one:edit: thank you sithsaber for proving my point.
truthiness shall always prevail.
Yeah...well..you are old, I guess you need bookmarks to remember what sites you dig....
Originally posted by jaden101
but you miss the flip side...how else do you describe the incident to the publica) you shut down the airport and tell no-one anything...creating confusion and anger...
b) you shut down the airport and tell them that the threat isn't as severe as it actually is then the actions of shutting down the airport seem totally out of proportion and designed to cause fear
c) you tell people the true nature of the threat and you are also accused of inciting fear
simply put...the government cant win
I appreciate the difficulty in explaining the incident, but from the news conferences I have witnessed, and the media coverage, it just seems more of the same cultivation of fear. Rather than applauding the foiling of the plot, the response seems to be more focused on how terrible it would have been if the terrorists had succeeded. That way of thinking does not concord with the way I deal with difficult situations that have been overcome.
Sidenote: Lebanon is going to be a giant bloody hole in the ground by the time this news event has been bled dry...
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I appreciate the difficulty in explaining the incident, but from the news conferences I have witnessed, and the media coverage, it just seems more of the same cultivation of fear. Rather than applauding the foiling of the plot, the response seems to be more focused on how terrible it would have been if the terrorists had succeeded. That way of thinking does not concord with the way I deal with difficult situations that have been overcome.Sidenote: Lebanon is going to be a giant bloody hole in the ground by the time this news event has been bled dry...
Assuming that the situation has been "overcome", then I guess more people would be celebrating. I think the media is just reporting what they can find out at this point, and as I said before, I think they are doing a find job of it.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well, whatever anybody else says, I'm glad that George W. Bush is our president.To be perfectly clear, I give him 0 % credit for the arrests in London, since it was British intelligence and British law enforcement (whether they had help from the U.S. or not) that foiled the plot.
However, its been his administration that has said "Enough is enough. We will no longer tolerate the blowing up of our embassy's, the sinking of our ships, the spreading of violence through terrorism. And if you help or support terrorism, we're gonna hand you your ass aswell."
I don't give a crap about the U.N. or the rest of the worlds feelings.
Things like the Canadians who would blow up builidings and kill members of parliament, the London bombings of last year, and now this airport plot just go to show that the Islamic radicals don't take sabbaticals.
They want to harm and destroy all of the western civilized democracy's of the world..... only some of us are more aware of it than others.
And the U.N.? Screw 'em, they aren't helping us.
I know what you're thinking:
"One shouldn't be able to be arrogant enough to scoff at world opinion."
Man, that is exactly how the Holocaust happened. The countries that COULD have acted didn't, because "world opinion" was not in favor of taking action against Nazi Germany. You are treading on thin ice with that argument. By the by, in its short history, the UN has done very little to attain or maintain peace in any international conflict. And they are made up of nations with agendas that tend towards the anti-semitic.
Israel has no friend in the UN.
France is obviously in cahoots with a bunch of the worst offenders in the Arab nations - it does billions of dollars each year in business dealings with them.
The Arab League runs the show at the UN, not the US. It has been that way for decades.
No one but America had the nerve to take a stand against the terrorist nations after 9/11 (we managed to talk a few countries into aiding us, but they never would have done it without our participation and leadership), and I would argue we still don't stand up to them enough. Saudi Arabia should not be considered our ally. Neither should most of the Middle Eastern countries, or France, Russia, Mexico, etc. But that's beside the point of this discussion.
The UN is made up of a bunch of guys who are best at wringing their hands when they're not sitting on them. They have been somewhat helpful in providing aid to African nations, but that's about it. And they don't even really do a good job of that, because the warlords tend to take all of the food and supplies that are intended for the people and keep them for themselves or sell them for profit.
And the UN continues to allow this, year after year. What did they do to help in the Sudan? Liberia? Mongolia? Serbia? Iraq? The UN is ineffectual at best; and as evidence has become more and more readily available, it looks that they are incredibly corrupt as well.
Todays news is just the latest in a long line events that show us one thing: the terrorists are in it to win it.
Are we?
London's subways were bombed, the British police and intelligence had all the bombers in custody within weeks.
The World Trade Centre is destroyed, the people are still out there, and the American government went after the wrong country, for the wrong reasons at the time.
I'll stand out on a limb and say that the Bush admin simply saying: "Enough is enough", really shouldn't cut it. They should actually start making it happen, shouldn't they?
To add a closing point, you asked if we are in it to win it. We? I'm kind of tired of this "We". I'm not fighting a war, "my" government are. I might be the victim of one, an unjust one, one being poorly handled, and so might many more.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
London's subways were bombed, the British police and intelligence had all the bombers in custody within weeks.The World Trade Centre is destroyed, the people are still out there, and the American government went after the wrong country, for the wrong reasons at the time.
I'll stand out on a limb and say that the Bush admin simply saying: "Enough is enough", really shouldn't cut it. They should actually start making it happen, shouldn't they?
To add a closing point, you asked if we are in it to win it. We? I'm kind of tired of this "We". I'm not fighting a war, "my" government are. I might be the victim of one, an unjust one, one being poorly handled, and so might many more.
-AC
I'm tired of the 'we' thing too. I do agree with some of what Sithsaber has stated, and I'm a pretty liberal. In fact, and this is just me, but I think democrats and republicans are both pretty right wing.