Originally posted by rotiart
Its been stated to be nuke level. And can shatter mountains. It put out gladiator with ease.
Completely irrelevant.
The battle is h2h. Still haven't read the rules/guidelines to this thread? 🙄
Originally posted by rotiart
Are you putting iron mans durability ABOVE gladiators then?
Does a bear sh-- in the woods?
Originally posted by rotiart
Its been stated to be nuke level. And can shatter mountains. It put out gladiator with ease.Are you putting iron mans durability ABOVE gladiators then?
Blackbolts a pimp. Ironmans a hobo.
Pimps eat hobos for breakfast.
#1 Gladiator can't absorb energy IM can so it's not about durability...
#2 Tony Stark has had more tang then all the NASA astronauts put together.
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Originally posted by the Darkone
BB will own IM, IM got served by Temugin and he was still wearing his armor, and his armor was cracking under the blows of Temugin and he is only human as where Black Bolt is Inhuman and will put IM in a coma.
Temugin didn't put any cracks in Iron Man's armor at all, the only actual damage he did to it was supposedly a few dents. And I doubt that some random sailor out in the middle of nowhere could bang a few dants out of the Iron Man.
Also, Temugin may be only human but his chi powers make him impossibly powerful. Powerful enough to give Iron Man a serious beating without any kind of weapon/powers at all, and that is saying a lot.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
🙄That sounds an awful lot like a poppycock. Your pulling that out of your ass.
Any actual facts from MARVEL that says that what your saying is actually how BB's vocal power happens, and also something from MARVEL that says that IM is unable to absorb that type of energy?
If in fact it was actually happening like that or are you just making that claim up to pretend that you know what your talking about and for people to think you have alot of knowledge while supporting your case against IM and for BB...Which I might add is H2H only...
FTR I think it's the later...
Please prove me wrong on both accounts (BB's vocal power/IM's unable to absorb it)
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no my untrusting friend, i didnt pull that out of my ass i was merely explaining Black Bolt's powers beyond the simple " he can harness free-floating electrons" and ppl not actually knowing what exactly the f **** that means😄 ok lets start from scratch.....and yes i am keeping in mind that it is fairly difficult to reconcile real world science and its comic book counter part 😎 but ill do the best i can... 😉
1. the entire universe is made up of atoms. atoms that bond 2gether to make cells--cells that bond 2gether to make molecules--molecules that bond 2gether to make elements--elements that bond 2gether to make compunds..so on and so forth..
2. ok now lets get down to some basic electrical theroy to shed a little light on what free electrons actually are...but first there are two simple rules concerning electron shells that make it possible to predict the electron distribution of any element:
a. The maximum number of electrons that can fit in the outermost shell of any atom is eight.
b. The maximum number of electrons that can fit in the next-to-outermost shell of any atom is 18. (source: My organic chemistry text book) 😎
when the outer shell of an atom contains eight electrons, the atom becomes very stable, or very resistant to changes in its structure. When certain outside energies interact with the outer shell (heat, light, electrical energy) they become excited and move on to a higher level..(i.e. explosion) If enough energy is applied to the atom, some of these elctrons in the outer shell will leave the atom. These electrons are called free electrons..or AKA "free floating electrons" This process by the way is called ionization(check wiki)
now where does black bolt fit in to all this? this is what he does basically, in a nut shell. he is able to f **** with the stabilty of the outer shell, ripping off electrons at will, and cuasing the atoms to annhilate, and since there are literally billions--no make that trillions of atoms in any given location he has quite a many to destabilze (by unknown means of course)
now we all know that the forky thing on his forhead is what collects all these free electrons which he then uses to increase his strength, fly,emit concussive waves from his hands, and of course, charge his "master blow". Marvel.com concurs that he draws them from the environment and for his voice Wiki says that
"The speech center of Black Bolt's brain contains an organic mechanism able to generate an as yet unknown type of particle which interacts with ambient electrons to create certain phenomena determined by mental control." and "This effect is not just a shockwave, but a wave of transformative energy, destroying everything that it touches.." or in other words
Originally posted by manjaro
once his voice goes out it rips the electrons from atomic particles cuasing them to violently explode..and once the first batch explodes it cuases a chain reaction to obliterate all the others in the direction of his voice..
now im sure that jack kirby and stan lee werent exactly holding PHD's in physics when they were figuring all this out , and we for that matter cant figure it out either,but i can only assume that this unknown means is probably by using the electric charge in his body to excite these electrons in this destructive manner......or at th very least his own body heat. which would make sense seeing as how he is fully superior to inhumans let alone normal humans. im willing to bet that his body temp. is probably above our 98.6, and maybe he has a way of warming his muscles the same way we do when we do strenous activties, but for him at a faster(that i admit is as good as any guess)
So whats the moral of the story and the purpose for my 10 page essay? 😆 😆 the energy relased is transformative, therefore since Iron man's armor is a stack of atoms...you know...like everything else in the fabric of space and time 🙄 he wont be absorbing a damn thing, not now, not anytime soon... the atoms making up his suit, his sweat, and every fiber of his being will be ripped apart by this aforementioned "transformative energy" also dont let that 60 tons bullshit fool either, he can make himslef as strong as he freaking wants, the more he harnesses..he just sits at the level bcuz its whats optimal to him....of course you justy know that some muckity muck writer is gonna pen IM owning BB, and absorbing his energies just to make me look bad. and everyone is gonna go over this with a fine tooth comb to pick it apart, but its cool....BB by a mile 😮💨
Originally posted by manjaro
no my untrusting friend, i didnt pull that out of my ass i was merely explaining Black Bolt's powers beyond the simple " he can harness free-floating electrons" and ppl not actually knowing what exactly the f **** that means😄 ok lets start from scratch.....and [B]yes i am keeping in mind that it is fairly difficult to reconcile real world science and its comic book counter part 😎 but ill do the best i can... 😉1. the entire universe is made up of atoms. atoms that bond 2gether to make cells--cells that bond 2gether to make molecules--molecules that bond 2gether to make elements--elements that bond 2gether to make compunds..so on and so forth..
2. ok now lets get down to some basic electrical theroy to shed a little light on what free electrons actually are...but first there are two simple rules concerning electron shells that make it possible to predict the electron distribution of any element:
a. The maximum number of electrons that can fit in the outermost shell of any atom is eight.
b. The maximum number of electrons that can fit in the next-to-outermost shell of any atom is 18. (source: My organic chemistry text book) 😎
when the outer shell of an atom contains eight electrons, the atom becomes very stable, or very resistant to changes in its structure. When certain outside energies interact with the outer shell (heat, light, electrical energy) they become excited and move on to a higher level..(i.e. explosion) If enough energy is applied to the atom, some of these elctrons in the outer shell will leave the atom. These electrons are called free electrons..or AKA "free floating electrons" This process by the way is called ionization(check wiki)
now where does black bolt fit in to all this? this is what he does basically, in a nut shell. he is able to f **** with the stabilty of the outer shell, ripping off electrons at will, and cuasing the atoms to annhilate, and since there are literally billions--no make that trillions of atoms in any given location he has quite a many to destabilze (by unknown means of course)
now we all know that the forky thing on his forhead is what collects all these free electrons which he then uses to increase his strength, fly,emit concussive waves from his hands, and of course, charge his "master blow". Marvel.com concurs that he draws them from the environment and for his voice Wiki says that
"The speech center of Black Bolt's brain contains an organic mechanism able to generate an as yet unknown type of particle which interacts with ambient electrons to create certain phenomena determined by mental control." and "This effect is not just a shockwave, but a wave of transformative energy, destroying everything that it touches.." or in other words
now im sure that jack kirby and stan lee werent exactly holding PHD's in physics when they were figuring all this out , and we for that matter cant figure it out either,but i can only assume that this unknown means is probably by using the electric charge in his body to excite these electrons in this destructive manner......or at th very least his own body heat. which would make sense seeing as how he is fully superior to inhumans let alone normal humans. im willing to bet that his body temp. is probably above our 98.6, and maybe he has a way of warming his muscles the same way we do when we do strenous activties, but for him at a faster(that i admit is as good as any guess)
So whats the moral of the story and the purpose for my 10 page essay? 😆 😆 the energy relased is transformative, therefore since Iron man's armor is a stack of atoms...you know...like everything else in the fabric of space and time 🙄 he wont be absorbing a damn thing, not now, not anytime soon... the atoms making up his suit, his sweat, and every fiber of his being will be ripped apart by this aforementioned "transformative energy" also dont let that 60 tons bullshit fool either, he can make himslef as strong as he freaking wants, the more he harnesses..he just sits at the level bcuz its whats optimal to him....of course you justy know that some muckity muck writer is gonna pen IM owning BB, and absorbing his energies just to make me look bad. and everyone is gonna go over this with a fine tooth comb to pick it apart, but its cool....BB by a mile 😮💨 [/B]
clapping
That was entertaining... And it was probably a B for effort... But the bottom line is that all of what you said in reference to BB's vocal powers and whether or not IM can absorb it and reuse it to further power his suit is purely speculation on your part and nothing more...
IM owns BB
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Originally posted by Tony Stark
clappingThat was entertaining... And it was probably a B for effort... But the bottom line is that all of what you said in reference to BB's vocal powers and whether or not IM can absorb it and reuse it to further power his suit is purely speculation on your part and nothing more...
IM owns BB
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With that in mind (the post you quoted)
i dont see how iron man could suck in that type of energy without i duno, his hands explodeing.
but this is irreleveant i know, cuz this is an h2h fight
im still confused as to how iron man would own BB
thje more i think about it, the less it makes sense
but thats your opinion
and thats definately okay
But the bottom line is that all of what you said in reference to BB's vocal powers and whether or not IM can absorb it and reuse it to further power his suit is purely speculation on your part and nothing more...
His 'speculation' was based on scientifc fasts.
YOU have shown nothingto say IM can absorb such a POWERFUL vocal assault. He can't.
BB owns IM ✅
Originally posted by Tony Stark
clappingThat was entertaining... And it was probably a B for effort... But the bottom line is that all of what you said in reference to BB's vocal powers and whether or not IM can absorb it and reuse it to further power his suit is purely speculation on your part and nothing more...
IM owns BB
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entertaining..yes.. Speculation hardly...sure i tried to mix it with real science but thats the only feasible way it would make sense to me... especially since kirby wasnt like ok Black bolts powers are explained as.....(a,b,c,d,e,f........etc)
oookaayyy soooo let me get this straight you claiming that IM can absorb the energy despite not having seen him do it..thats not speculation? yep. flawless logic on your part..i based mine on ppl like darksied when he fires his omega beams they disintegrate shit and thats all thier is to it. sure superman deflected it with his heat vision.....WW deflected it with her magic bracelets. but it cannot be absorbed..
but For black bolt once this energy is unleased,and this is what im trying to make you understand, every single electron thats caught up in the shockwave of his voice WILL be obliterated. this isnt voodoo science over here..the reason we actually hear "sounds" when we speak is becuz our vocal chords approach the sound barrier and carries our voice on the shockwave so ppl can "hear" us from various distances.
so what do we have....well ok since you asked.. 😉 in the air we got O2 atoms(second most abundant on earth)..each atom has 8 electrons...then we have nitrogen 7 electrons. and whatever sand and dirt are made of and CO2 and everything else floating around in the atmosphere..(sigh) simply put any thing BB yells at its atoms are gonna lose electrons.....electrons annhilate...atoms explode...and the more atoms explode the more electrons annhilate until a super massive amount of energy his built up and it doesnt matter what atoms those electrons are attached to, they will be ripped apart(like a suit of armor for instance😄)..it is basically like a variation on nuclear fusion without the heat, plasma and radiation.... so again i say, unless IM armor is made up of substances not found in the universe, i dont see any plausible way he can absorb a damn thing..but hey there's obviously no convincing you soo what am i gonna do 😬
BB by a Mile 😮💨
Originally posted by manjaro
entertaining..yes.. Speculation hardly...sure i tried to mix it with real science but thats the only feasible way it would make sense to me... especially since kirby wasnt like ok Black bolts powers are explained as.....(a,b,c,d,e,f........etc)oookaayyy soooo let me get this straight you claiming that IM can absorb the energy despite not having seen him do it..thats not speculation? yep. flawless logic on your part..i based mine on ppl like darksied when he fires his omega beams they disintegrate shit and thats all thier is to it. sure superman deflected it with his heat vision.....WW deflected it with her magic bracelets. but it cannot be absorbed..
but For black bolt once this energy is unleased,and this is what im trying to make you understand, every single electron thats caught up in the shockwave of his voice WILL be obliterated. this isnt voodoo science over here..the reason we actually hear "sounds" when we speak is becuz our vocal chords approach the sound barrier and carries our voice on the shockwave so ppl can "hear" us from various distances.
so what do we have....well ok since you asked.. 😉 in the air we got O2 atoms(second most abundant on earth)..each atom has 8 electrons...then we have nitrogen 7 electrons. and whatever sand and dirt are made of and CO2 and everything else floating around in the atmosphere..(sigh) simply put any thing BB yells at its atoms are gonna lose electrons.....electrons annhilate...atoms explode...and the more atoms explode the more electrons annhilate until a super massive amount of energy his built up and it doesnt matter what atoms those electrons are attached to, they will be ripped apart(like a suit of armor for instance😄)..it is basically like a variation on nuclear fusion without the heat, plasma and radiation.... so again i say, unless IM armor is made up of substances not found in the universe, i dont see any plausible way he can absorb a damn thing..but hey there's obviously no convincing you soo what am i gonna do 😬
BB by a Mile 😮💨
Ignoreing the thread intent for a moment, this is exactly what i have been thinking although clearly your knoweldge of physics or whatever, eclipses mine. i just dont see how IM could absorb BB's scream without some sort of mythical, wild out-of-character device. infact your logic is kinda how it is explained in the comics. as a sort of nuclear blast minus the actual nuclear heatness and all the visible stuff. itd be like a vaccume cleaner sucking up, i duno, a ghost or something
If this was more than just a hand to hand battle Black Bolt will not be winning by a mile.
I see Black Bolt will having a tough time dealing with Iron Man's speed. Iron Man's reaction speed is in the nanosecs, he moves many times faster than the speed of sound. (It may be lame but he could just speedblitz him effortlessly)
Other out-comes....
Distract Black Bolt with dozens of holograms, strike at weak spots such as Black Bolt's antenna.
Iron Man could just cloak, move in and whap in the back of the head maybe.
Iron Man could snipe him with his pulse bolts from miles away with pinpoint accuarly.
I don't think Iron Man could absorb Black Bolt's scream either, but at the same time I don't think he would ever have to since Tony would be keeping on his toes to avoid it.
From reading the posts above, I just wanted to say a few things...
1. Iron Man can absorb energy. There have been scans posted in other threads where he either stated he could do so (eg, when he decked Thor, he said he could absorb a "multi-million kilowatt" lightning bolt, and did absorb Thor's lightning); or actually did so (when he absorbed some, Some of the Surfer's power).
2. The thing is, if Black Bolt's scream is being compared to a nuke, even a 1 kiloton blast generates power in the "multi-million" megawatt range: 1000x what is stated above. I simply don't know if IM can absorb this much power.
3. To rip electrons from generally stable atoms takes a lot of energy. Where does Black Bolt get this initial energy from?
4. "Free-floating electrons" do not stay free-floating for long, as neither do the ions created near them. BB has to act fast before the atoms recombine.
5. When electrons are "ripped" from atoms, neither the atoms/ions or the electrons 'annihilate'. You do Not even get a nuclear reaction, you get a chemical reaction, which is about a million times less energetic. This means, to create a chemical explosion on par with a nuke, Black Bolt would have to rip electrons from thousands of tons of atmospheric atoms in one second (which harkens back to point #3: Where does he get this initial power from?).
Basically, Iron Man is such a malleable character because he uses all kinds of tech, that it is entirely conceivable he could beat Black Bolt, though generally I see BB as the more powerful being.
Originally posted by Mindship
From reading the posts above, I just wanted to say a few things...1. Iron Man can absorb energy. There have been scans posted in other threads where he either stated he could do so (eg, when he decked Thor, he said he could absorb a "multi-million kilowatt" lightning bolt, and did absorb Thor's lightning); or actually did so (when he absorbed some, Some of the Surfer's power).
2. The thing is, if Black Bolt's scream is being compared to a nuke, even a 1 kiloton blast generates power in the "multi-million" megawatt range: 1000x what is stated above. I simply don't know if IM can absorb this much power.
3. To rip electrons from generally stable atoms takes a lot of energy. Where does Black Bolt get this initial energy from?
4. "Free-floating electrons" do not stay free-floating for long, as neither do the ions created near them. BB has to act fast before the atoms recombine.
5. When electrons are "ripped" from atoms, neither the atoms/ions or the electrons 'annihilate'. You do Not even get a nuclear reaction, you get a chemical reaction, which is about a million times less energetic. This means, to create a chemical explosion on par with a nuke, Black Bolt would have to rip electrons from thousands of tons of atmospheric atoms in one second (which harkens back to point #3: Where does he get this initial power from?).
Basically, Iron Man is such a malleable character because he uses all kinds of tech, that it is entirely conceivable he could beat Black Bolt, though generally I see BB as the more powerful being.
that is actually more brillaint than i ever could have worded it.. you see thats my point exactly since marvel saved themselves by saying that its from an undetermined source, by an unknown means we can only make educated guesses. i know that you dont get a nuclear reaction...thats why i said earlier that Ions are 1/2 the ingeridents for plasma...#5 hits the nail right on the head there indeed are thouands of tons of atmospheric atoms, but that doesnt mean that he can excite all of them(he can sure try tho 😄 ) thats why every writer including kirby and lee and everyone since has shown him only whispering, and play on the whole if he shouts everyone is gonna die.
oh to the other poster and im willing to wager than BB reaction time is just as profound as IM is, why cuz inhumans speed, stamina, reaction time and reflexes are superior to humans...and BB is superior to all inhumans.so at the very least I put him on equal footing. remember it was the same reflexes that allowed him to punk ikaris in mid air
Originally posted by manjaro
entertaining..yes.. Speculation hardly...sure i tried to mix it with real science but thats the only feasible way it would make sense to me... especially since kirby wasnt like ok Black bolts powers are explained as.....(a,b,c,d,e,f........etc)oookaayyy soooo let me get this straight you claiming that IM can absorb the energy despite not having seen him do it..thats not speculation? yep. flawless logic on your part..i based mine on ppl like darksied when he fires his omega beams they disintegrate shit and thats all thier is to it. sure superman deflected it with his heat vision.....WW deflected it with her magic bracelets. but it cannot be absorbed..
but For black bolt once this energy is unleased,and this is what im trying to make you understand, every single electron thats caught up in the shockwave of his voice WILL be obliterated. this isnt voodoo science over here..the reason we actually hear "sounds" when we speak is becuz our vocal chords approach the sound barrier and carries our voice on the shockwave so ppl can "hear" us from various distances.
so what do we have....well ok since you asked.. 😉 in the air we got O2 atoms(second most abundant on earth)..each atom has 8 electrons...then we have nitrogen 7 electrons. and whatever sand and dirt are made of and CO2 and everything else floating around in the atmosphere..(sigh) simply put any thing BB yells at its atoms are gonna lose electrons.....electrons annhilate...atoms explode...and the more atoms explode the more electrons annhilate until a super massive amount of energy his built up and it doesnt matter what atoms those electrons are attached to, they will be ripped apart(like a suit of armor for instance😄)..it is basically like a variation on nuclear fusion without the heat, plasma and radiation.... so again i say, unless IM armor is made up of substances not found in the universe, i dont see any plausible way he can absorb a damn thing..but hey there's obviously no convincing you soo what am i gonna do 😬
BB by a Mile 😮💨
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oookaayyy soooo let me get this straight you claiming that IM can absorb the energy despite not having seen him do it..thats not speculation? yep. flawless logic on your part..i based mine on ppl like darksied when he fires his omega beams they disintegrate shit and thats all thier is to it. sure superman deflected it with his heat vision.....WW deflected it with her magic bracelets. but it cannot be absorbed..
A. I never said that IM could absorb the energy...I was refuting the fact that you said he could not...Because he has never tried to do that so how would either of know for sure other than pure speculation. 😉
B. DS and his OE it wasn't absorbed by either Supes or WW because neither of them have the capabilities to do so in their power sets... And just because it didn't happen as afore mentioned doesn't mean that it can't be done... (ie... Rogue, Super-adaptnoid, IM)
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Originally posted by Innerhype
If this was more than just a hand to hand battle Black Bolt will not be winning by a mile.I see Black Bolt will having a tough time dealing with Iron Man's speed. Iron Man's reaction speed is in the nanosecs, he moves many times faster than the speed of sound. (It may be lame but he could just speedblitz him effortlessly)
Other out-comes....
Distract Black Bolt with dozens of holograms, strike at weak spots such as Black Bolt's antenna.
Iron Man could just cloak, move in and whap in the back of the head maybe.
Iron Man could snipe him with his pulse bolts from miles away with pinpoint accuarly.
I don't think Iron Man could absorb Black Bolt's scream either, but at the same time I don't think he would ever have to since Tony would be keeping on his toes to avoid it.
No
at the minimum, blackbolt's reflexes are on par with Iron Man's suit, and thats just at the MINIMUM. He dedicates his life to this kind of stuff. Black bolt will have a non-tough time dealing with Iron man's speed (has dealt with ikarus before). the only area BB could possibly be outmatched here is in Strength output, and even that is debateable and non-match determining. i seriously doubt BB's limit is a mere 60 tons
Originally posted by Tony Stark
😕oookaayyy soooo let me get this straight you claiming that IM can absorb the energy despite not having seen him do it..thats not speculation? yep. flawless logic on your part..i based mine on ppl like darksied when he fires his omega beams they disintegrate shit and thats all thier is to it. sure superman deflected it with his heat vision.....WW deflected it with her magic bracelets. but it cannot be absorbed..
A. I never said that IM could absorb the energy...I was refuting the fact that you said he could not...Because he has never tried to do that so how would either of know for sure other than pure speculation. 😉
B. DS and his OE it wasn't absorbed by either Supes or WW because neither of them have the capabilities to do so in their power sets... And just because it didn't happen as afore mentioned doesn't mean that it can't be done... (ie... Rogue, Super-adaptnoid, IM)
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A. huh? is you refute me that means your view is opposite to mine. sooooooooo in other words you were saying that he can 😕
B. i never said they absorbed i said they deflected it.....cuz his beams cannot be absorbed as they disintegrate everything in thier path..WW has magic bracelets and superman...well...he's got the ability to pull powers out of his ass so i wouldnt be able to tell you how he did it. maybe i should stop writing lengthy responses cuz the minute details always get lost in the body.....but i dont know of late i just feel so passionate about BB and when ppl start placing him aganist ppl he'll obviously rape...i just wanna shake somebody 😆
BB by mile 😮💨
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
No
at the minimum, blackbolt's reflexes are on par with Iron Man's suit, and thats just at the MINIMUM. He dedicates his life to this kind of stuff. Black bolt will have a non-tough time dealing with Iron man's speed (has dealt with ikarus before). the only area BB could possibly be outmatched here is in Strength output, and even that is debateable and non-match determining. i seriously doubt BB's limit is a mere 60 tons
Batman is a kind of person who dedicates his life to that kind of stuff as well, and that doesn't exactly makes much of a differance.
From what I could gather, Ikarus's speed isnt anywhere close to being near what Iron Man's is. Iron Man however would be a blur to the human eye moving on foot, he has been recently clocked flying at mach 8.7. Sentry even said he was damn fast and he moves at light speeds. That soildly puts even a superspeeder like Quicksilver to shame.
So Yes, I still think Black Bolt would have a tough time dealing with that.