Originally posted by ValidusYeah, entire universes banded their greatest together. Many skyfather+ beings were there.
Some of these replies are a joke. The Anti-Monitor was laughing off tons and tons of Pre-Crisis DC heroes, including multiple skyfather mages from different realities people are listing guys like Magneto and Thor as if they will turn the tides? Get real guys.
Originally posted by Juntai
And actually, recreating the multiverse is what Spectre did in combat against the Anti Monitor, and it didn't erase him at all.
The Ultimate Nullifier erases the Multi-verse and everything in it, then it recreates it as you wish.
Originally posted by Juntai
And Imperiex IS the end of the previous multiverse.
UN is the End and the Beginning.
calling on the power of the eternal vishantis dr strange has defeated death twice and resisted the multiversal guardian living tribunal. but hey wer forgetting sumthing here. wasnt the antimonitor destroyed once by darkside's omega affect?! u should look at both high and low level feats before saying sumthin has multiversal power.
seriously AM is greater than anybody on there team. heck they could add the Celestials to the equation and AM would still smack them down. seriously AM kills Imperiex absorbs the energy and blasts ME into component atoms and eats them. AM was the evil in COIE for petes sake. He won't be taken down without at least LT getting involved. and since when does Reed have easy access to the Ultimate Nullifier? I'd really like to know. its seems whenever prep and Reed are involved in the same sentence UN happens to always come up.
The Ultimate Nullifier may not even work on Anti-Monitor...it is only assumed that it would work. Darkseid never destroyed Anti-Monitor with the Omega Effect....it tooked the combined efforts of the most powerful beings of the universes that were still left to defeat AM. The UN is below the IG...and in another thread, we're debating on whether or not the IG could even defeat the AM
Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously AM is greater than anybody on there team. heck they could add the Celestials to the equation and AM would still smack them down. seriously AM kills Imperiex absorbs the energy and blasts ME into component atoms and eats them. AM was the evil in COIE for petes sake.
I think not.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
He won't be taken down without at least LT getting involved.
That would be overkill.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
and since when does Reed have easy access to the Ultimate Nullifier? I'd really like to know. its seems whenever prep and Reed are involved in the same sentence UN happens to always come up.
Access?
Since when do AM and Imperiex have access to Marvel Earth?
We say Reed would use the Nullifier because he has on panel.
In fact, Reed has had access to it more than most, excluding Galactus of course.
Because of the Watcher, who doesn't interfere but implanted it's location in the Human torches mind, to be remembered and found if need be.
This is back in 1966, at that time the Watcher guided the Human Torch to it location.
The Watcher protected the Human Torch in his journey through Time & Space.
It was to find the Ultimate Nullifier.
Reed was the first to almost use the Nullifier, way back in FF #50 - 1966
Ok
Now this is 2001, during the Abraxas arc.
The location of the UN is accessible via Johnny Storm (Human Torch),
Only this time he needed a special space suit to survive the rigors of space, because Abraxas had comatose Uatu.
Reed Richards quickly figures it out.
Now let's witness the Power of the Ultimate Nullifier in Reed Richard's hands.
In the Abraxas arc, the Multi-verse was literally collapsing.
Because Abraxas had the Galactus of many Universes.
Witness Reality all around him crumbling while he calmly passes by.
Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
What was MISALIGNED? The MULTI-VERSE!
How was this done?
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & remake the Multiverse
UN remakes the Multiverse in an instant
And to make it clear that the UN is VERY capable of doing just that.
Right, but Spectre shattered all reality and rebuilt it too, and it didn't erase Anti-Monitor. You've got no proof this idea would work either.
Especially when Johny and Reed could easily be controled, defeated or killed by either of these guys, or an Imperiex Probe, or the Shadows of the Anti-Monitor. The entire planet would be covered with beings that could smash the heros. Shit, and they can shoot out beams to destroy the planet outright.
They could seriously conquer it with little effort.
Reed coming out with Ultimate Nullifier is reaching pretty bad, imo.
Originally posted by Juntai
Right, but Spectre shattered all reality and rebuilt it too, and it didn't erase Anti-Monitor. You've got no proof this idea would work either.
That's your opinion, as mine is another.
How can I have proof?
That's strange for you to say.
My proof is the Feat.
It's quite simple...
If AM or Imperiex can not destroy & recreate the Multi-verse in an instant, then they are below the UN.
Originally posted by Juntai
Especially when Johny and Reed could easily be controled, defeated or killed by either of these guys,
Really?
How was AM defeated again?
Originally posted by Juntai
or an Imperiex Probe,
Reed will drop a Big Bang explosion on his head.
Reed can harness the Big Bang of a Universe
Originally posted by Juntai
or the Shadows of the Anti-Monitor.
Or Mr Fantastic's Super Canon, that blew away LT and the Cosmics.
It took Reed 20 years to build this Super Canon
It's designed to harness a being's own power against them.
Reed's Super Canon created a feedback of cosmic proportions that blew back everyone into other dimensions.
How you like dem apples.
Originally posted by Juntai
The entire planet would be covered with beings that could smash the heros. Shit, and they can shoot out beams to destroy the planet outright.
And Molecule Man will simply re-order Reality to what it should be.
And if let's loose "Evil Molecule Man"....ouch.
This is still just the gentle side.
"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"
Originally posted by Juntai
They could seriously conquer it with little effort.
I think not.
Originally posted by Juntai
Reed coming out with Ultimate Nullifier is reaching pretty bad, imo.
From the evidence above, I don't think so.
Imperiex Prime destroyed the last DC Multiverse, and his probes was going around the DCU destroying galaxies (this is just with 1 or 2 probes doing the job). That puts him above a Big Bang explosion. Brainiac 13 while joined with Imperiex Prime drained all of Apokolips of its power. Took a full powered Apokolips and Earth to send Brainiac 13/Imperiex Prime back to the Big Bang. Kismet 2nd most powerful Lord of Order and the DCU's protector went up against him and lost! She knew she was going to lose but had to try.
Reed and Doom would have to have plunty of time for planning and having someone use the IG against these 2 to stand a chance.
Originally posted by kevdude
Imperiex Prime destroyed the last DC Multiverse,
So did Reed Richards,
in the blink of an eye he destroyed it and remade it, the Multi-verse.
Originally posted by kevdude
and his probes was going around the DCU destroying galaxies (this is just with 1 or 2 probes doing the job). That puts him above a Big Bang explosion.
Big Bangs destroy Universes.
Universes contain BILLIONS of Galaxies.
How do you compare those probes to Big Bangs?
Originally posted by kevdude
Brainiac 13 while joined with Imperiex Prime drained all of Apokolips of its power. Took a full powered Apokolips and Earth to send Brainiac 13/Imperiex Prime back to the Big Bang.
That's all it took?
The entire Multi-verse couldn't harm Abraxas, and the Ultimate Nullifier erased him in an instant.
Originally posted by kevdude
Kismet 2nd most powerful Lord of Order and the DCU's protector went up against him and lost! She knew she was going to lose but had to try.
I wish I could say the same about our "Omni-versal Guardian" (Roma), but she was too afraid to battle Abraxas....He Killed her anyway with a kiss.
Yes, this is the same Abraxas that gets erased with the UN.
Originally posted by kevdude
Reed and Doom would have to have plunty of time for planning and having someone use the IG against these 2 to stand a chance.
Well, it only took the Fantastic Four ONE day to find the Ultimate Nullifier.
One day prep it is.
