Anti-Monitor and Imperiex Prime vs Marvel Earth · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Spectre destroyed and recreated the multiverse in an instant, and it didn't destory the Anti-Monitor.. Your multiversal recreation feat doesn't prove anything in light of that in my mind.

Isn't those scans from Last Planet standing? I'm not sure that's canon at all.

But hey, how can Reed do any of this.. if he's dead?
Anti Monitor just opens a portal to his laboratory, just he did to many of DCU's biggest threats all at once, and starts there.

How can he bring out a big invention . . when a guy simply points at the Galaxy... and it's gone? The object is simply to defeat Earth here. Not a problem for a multiverse destroyer.

It's game over without PIS that events like that rely on.

Superherovandal CEO of BS Comics Inc.

but like Juntai said even Spectre who is undoubtedly more powerful than the UN couldn't even just erase him he's a multiversal being. he's absorbed countless universes. i doubt that Reed could do that. AM is probably more powerful than Abraxas cause it took for Spectre to destroy and recreate the multiverse, then Pre-Crisis Darkseids omega effect, and many other heroes to kill him. In that process many universe's died and u guys are saying one planet can defeat him.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre destroyed and recreated the multiverse in an instant, and it didn't destory the Anti-Monitor.. Your multiversal recreation feat doesn't prove anything in light of that in my mind.

I believe you, but what issue is that from, I'm going to read it myself, to see what your talking about.

Originally posted by Juntai
Isn't those scans from Last Planet standing? I'm not sure that's canon at all.

I never heard or read that.

Originally posted by Juntai
But hey, how can Reed do any of this.. if he's dead?
Anti Monitor just opens a portal to his laboratory, just he did to many of DCU's biggest threats all at once, and starts there.

Post-Molecule Man can destroy the Multi-verse...and we have him.

Insane Genis-Vell can rewrite the Universe...and we have him.

Wanda can collapse the Multi-verse,
Her tamperings breached causality and sent out the Chaos Wave that was folding ALL Realities in the Multi-verse and beyond....and we have her.

In Marvel Super Heroes:

Mad Jim Jaspers unleashed the Jaspers Warp, a wave of unreality that affects everything in continuity.
Merlyn (former Omni-versal Guardian) told Captain Britain, that Earth 616 Jaspers was an Omni-versal Threat....we have him

(The lesser powerful Earth 238 version of Jaspers was able to warp his entire Universe beyond recognition)

Finally we come back to Reed Richards.

Who can harness the Big Bang of a Universe and drop it on their heads. (literally)

Who has a Super Canon that can Knock Living Tribunal and the Abstracts away.
And if it's not canon, as you say.

With the Ultimate Nullifier he can ERASE and remake the Multi-verse on a whim.

Originally posted by Juntai
How can he bring out a big invention . . when a guy simply points at the Galaxy... and it's gone? The object is simply to defeat Earth here. Not a problem for a multiverse destroyer.

Quite a problem when their up against 4 Multi-versal destroyers, and one of them can re-write the Omni-verse. (Jim Jaspers)

Originally posted by Juntai
It's game over without PIS that events like that rely on.

Without PIS, it's a hell of a battle.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Superherovandal
but like Juntai said even Spectre who is undoubtedly more powerful than the UN

"Like Juntai said"?

I respect Jun, but who made him the guru of hypothetical vs threads?

Jun nor I, have any idea whether or not Spectre is above or below, the UN.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
couldn't even just erase him he's a multiversal being.

If he's just Multiversal he has NO chance against the UN...

Originally posted by Superherovandal
he's absorbed countless universes. i doubt that Reed could do that.

Reed didn't destroy countless Universes...Reed ERASED ALL Universes within the Multi-verse, and then Remade them ALL in an instant.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
AM is probably more powerful than Abraxas cause it took for Spectre to destroy and recreate the multiverse, then Pre-Crisis Darkseids omega effect, and many other heroes to kill him.

If Spectre remade the Multi-verse and it didn't stop AM, what good would heroes and Darkseid do?

That's where PIS slips in.

What your not understanding is that NO ONE can harm Abraxas in the entire Multi-verse.

Only the UN.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
In that process many universe's died and u guys are saying one planet can defeat him.

That's DC Earth's misfortune.

This is Marvel Earth your dealing with now.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Mr Master
I believe you, but what issue is that from, I'm going to read it myself, to see what your talking about.
I never heard or read that.
Post-Molecule Man can destroy the Multi-verse...and we have him.
Insane Genis-Vell can rewrite the Universe...and we have him.
Wanda can collapse the Multi-verse,
Her tamperings breached causality and sent out the Chaos Wave that was folding ALL Realities in the Multi-verse and beyond....and we have her.
In Marvel Super Heroes:
Mad Jim Jaspers unleashed the Jaspers Warp, a wave of unreality that affects everything in continuity.
Merlyn (former Omni-versal Guardian) told Captain Britain, that Earth 616 Jaspers was an Omni-versal Threat....we have him
(The lesser powerful Earth 238 version of Jaspers was able to warp his entire Universe beyond recognition)
Finally we come back to Reed Richards.
Who can harness the Big Bang of a Universe and drop it on their heads. (literally)
Who has a Super Canon that can Knock Living Tribunal and the Abstracts away.
And if it's not canon, as you say.
With the Ultimate Nullifier he can ERASE and remake the Multi-verse on a whim.
Quite a problem when their up against 4 Multi-versal destroyers, and one of them can re-write the Omni-verse. (Jim Jaspers)
Without PIS, it's a hell of a battle.

It's Crisis on Infinite Earths where Spectre shatters reality and puts it back together.

You sure do rely a lot on character claims. One moment you have another character identifying another as a possible 'omniversal threat', then come back to say claim he can re-write the omniverse?

It took Gods Divine Wrath to put a halt to the Anti-Monitor.
This isn't a being who tried to destroy the multiverse and failed.
This is a guy who tried and succeeded. He left a single universe.
Then tried to replace God, raising his hand in the energy at the dawn of creation to replace the hand that birthed creation.

You can talk about multiversal destruction and creation characters all you want, I'm sure he killed off many of them as he wiped creation. Fact is- he isn't a product of the Marvel's Multiverse, rewriting its history isn't going to save them, besides maybe putting it all back together after he blows it up.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Like Juntai said"?
I respect Jun, but who made him the guru of hypothetical vs threads?
Jun nor I, have any idea whether or not Spectre is above or below, the UN.
If he's just Multiversal he has NO chance against the UN...
Reed didn't destroy countless Universes...Reed ERASED ALL Universes within the Multi-verse, and then Remade them ALL in an instant.
If Spectre remade the Multi-verse and it didn't stop AM, what good would heroes and Darkseid do?
That's where PIS slips in.
What your not understanding is that NO ONE can harm Abraxas in the entire Multi-verse.
Only the UN.
That's DC Earth's misfortune.
This is Marvel Earth your dealing with now.

Spectre's powersource is The Logoz, it is far beyond the UN.

The battle against Spectre depowered the anti-monitor to levels where he could actually be harmed by the heros and villains that went to destroy him, but he was still more powerful than most any other being in existance.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre's powersource is The Logoz, it is far beyond the UN.

Spectre and the Logoz have equal power?

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Mr Master
Spectre and the Logoz have equal power?

It's tough to explain... without going into far too much detail.
The Wrath is mankinds projections placed upon The Logoz, which is in turn bonded to a human host.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

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Skeets Senior Member

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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
It's Crisis on Infinite Earths where Spectre shatters reality and puts it back together.

Thanks, I have every one, but never opened them.

By tomorrow I'll have the low down.

Originally posted by Juntai
You sure do rely a lot on character claims. One moment you have another character identifying another as a possible 'omniversal threat', then come back to say claim he can re-write the omniverse?

I think the Omniversal Guardian's claims can be taken seriously.

Merlyn said Jaspers was a threat to the Omni-verse.

Because his wave (the Jaspers Warp), was re-writiing EVERYTHING in continuity. (the Omni-verse), I'll bust the scans tomorrow friend.

Saturnyne's temporary replacement, Mandragon, destroyed the Earth-238 continuity, in order to save the Omni-verse.

Originally posted by Juntai
It took Gods Divine Wrath to put a halt to the Anti-Monitor.

I thought you said he had no effect on AM.

Originally posted by Juntai
This isn't a being who tried to destroy the multiverse and failed.

Neither would Reed

Neither would Wanda

Neither would Evil Molecule Man

Neither would Jim

Originally posted by Juntai
This is a guy who tried and succeeded.

So did my gang.

Except for Evil Molecule Man, who was begged by Kubik not to destroy the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by Juntai
He left a single universe.

Reed left none

Originally posted by Juntai
Then tried to replace God, raising his hand in the energy at the dawn of creation to replace the hand that birthed creation.

But he didn't.

What more "God" status you want, than recreating every Universe in creation. (UN)

Originally posted by Juntai
You can talk about multiversal destruction and creation characters all you want, I'm sure he killed off many of them as he wiped creation.

Are you speculating?

Show me or direct me to the proof of him killing Multiversal destroyers, and then you got something.

Originally posted by Juntai
Fact is- he isn't a product of the Marvel's Multiverse, rewriting its history isn't going to save them,

Neither was pre-retcon Beyonder, but Doom got the better of him.
There's always a way.

Originally posted by Juntai
besides maybe putting it all back together after he blows it up.

Same as the UN.

Were still in the same boat.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
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I have to start reading Spectre.

My thing is Marvel as you can tell.

By the way I'm not sure the Logoz and Spectre are exactly the same.

Seems to me the Logoz is somewhat of a next step in evolution for the Spectre.

I'm speculating ofcourse based on your scans.

Now do you have any showings of the Logoz's power?
Or issues it has appeared in, displaying feats.?

Or is it just theories and bios that define it like the Phoenix Force.

Cause If it's not on panel, it's inconsequential to me.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Mr Master Thanks, I have every one, but never opened them.
By tomorrow I'll have the low down.

Sweet. You'll also see how easily he defeated the old Guadians of the Universe. Each of was considered to be stronger than the OA Battery, which has been used for reality destruction and recreation. He killed most of the race.

]I think the Omniversal Guardian's claims can be taken seriously.
Merlyn said Jaspers was a threat to the Omni-verse.
Because his wave (the Jaspers Warp), was re-writiing EVERYTHING in continuity. (the Omni-verse), I'll bust the scans tomorrow friend.

What about Batman saying he would put down Spectre?
Or Energy Superman being the 'most powerful being in the omniverse'?
Spideryman saying Sentry can beat Galactus?
Character claims aren't all they're cracked up to be always.

I thought you said he had no effect on AM.

The destruction and recreation of the multiverse? Didn't defeat him, there was still much left to be done, only now it was a more equal playing field. He could actually be defeated after this point.

Neither would Reed
Neither would Wanda
Neither would Evil Molecule Man
Neither would Jim

When did Wanda actually succeed in destroying the multiverse?
I don't know enough about Jim to know if he did or not. But from the souds of it, he possibly could.
Also, as you admitted that Evil Molocule man didn't as well.

Reed left none

The ultimate nullifier destroyed and remade.

But he didn't.[quote] No. The Wrath stopped him.
[quote]What more "God" status you want, than recreating every Universe in creation. (UN)

Why are you trying to compare the nullifier and god?

Are you speculating?
Show me or direct me to the proof of him killing Multiversal destroyers, and then you got something.

??? Read above about he smashed the Guardians of the Universe. For an example.

Neither was pre-retcon Beyonder, but Doom got the better of him.
There's always a way.

How is that even an applicable response to what I said? Recreating the Marvel Universe isn't helping the cause here. Rewriting the history of the MARVEL multiverse will not rid them of the anti-monitor, as he's not a product of that multiverse and his history is not imbedded in it. Hell, it didn't even work for the DC Multiverse to be recreated.

Same as the UN.
Were still in the same boat. [/B]

Eh . . If you say so.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Another tricky thing to deal with is that AntiMonitor can take other powers and add them to his own. He was draining characters from multiple universes of their power at once while he was trying to replace God. Some of them skyfathers on up.

And we still haven't even touched on Imperiex in the battle, really.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

I will conceed that's its feasible for a win, I just don't see it as a very likely option without PIS involved. Anti-Monitor made sure to remove pretty much everything that give him or his plans problems from the playing feild in Crisis. I consider the same to be an option here. I see Reed and possibly the Nullifier falling under the Anti-Monitor's posesion and power.

Skeets Senior Member

Why couldn't Anti-moniter just control it's energies like Magus did?

kevdude The Hooded Man

True, The Spectre and The Logos are not actually the same Mr. Master. The Wrath is The Spectre. He is a fallen angel connected to The Logos. After the war in Heaven, The Spectre returned and asked God to forgive him. Archangel Michael at the gates asked him if he repented his sins against The Word(The Logoz) Gods psychical manifestation in Heaven. He is then taken to The Presence and has his memory erased and is remade into The Wrath of God. This is how the universe thinks or wants god to act like, and so God lets it happen. This of course is not true, he is The Word.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to start reading Spectre.
My thing is Marvel as you can tell.
By the way I'm not sure the Logoz and Spectre are exactly the same.

Seems to me the Logoz is somewhat of a next step in evolution for the Spectre.
I'm speculating ofcourse based on your scans.
Now do you have any showings of the Logoz's power?
Or issues it has appeared in, displaying feats.?
Or is it just theories and bios that define it like the Phoenix Force.
Cause If it's not on panel, it's inconsequential to me.

That scan is Hal seeing Spectre's true face beyond the census of reality seeing it as The Wrath.
As he says "IS this your true face" "As best you can percieve it"

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by kevdude
True, The Spectre and The Logos are not actually the same Mr. Master. The Wrath is The Spectre. He is a fallen angel connected to The Logos. After the war in Heaven, The Spectre returned and asked God to forgive him. Archangel Michael at the gates asked him if he repented his sins against The Word(The Logoz) Gods psychical manifestation in Heaven. He is then taken to The Presence and has his memory erased and is remade into The Wrath of God. This is how the universe thinks or wants god to act like, and so God lets it happen. This of course is not true, he is The Word.

The scans are there this time, don't try to come in contradicting them again.

It identified itself as the true face of the Spectre.

I've already clarified everything.
And most of what you wrote there is wrong, but if you want educated, save it for another thread.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by Juntai
The scans are there this time, don't try to come in contradicting them again.
It identified itself as the true face of the Spectre.

We have been through this before 😉 . If you read correctly The Veil was taken off (The Wrath) showing his true face. He is not a part of god but connected to something that is a part of GOD understand? How is it possible the Spectre goes looking for God when you think he is a part of him?? He is NOT! Common sense Juntai!