Originally posted by kamikz
Because Link just activates Din's fire, and if Ryu closes in he is dead, there is really nothing he can do. And Link was granted divinely stamina and health, so kicking off his head ain't gonna be that easy. His skin was even called "armor"....
AGAIN, you are assuming Link has the iniative. Why?
Originally posted by kamikz
Hmm let's see. Link activates Din's fire while Ryu runs forward to attack. Wonder who gets first, considering that time stops when Link activates it....
ARE YOU NOT LISTENING? Link won't have the time. You have to take in account experience and mentality. Link is young, and relatively unexperienced comparied to Ryu. Ryu has a mentality of an instinctual fighter; he will not hesitate. Do you really think Link, who's about 14, will actually have the forethought or keen senses gained through experience. No. HELL No.
So here is what I've thought up. If Link has the iniative, he wins. If it's a random encounter, it's up in the air. If Ryu has the iniative he wins. Fair?
You shouldn't really consider Link to be inexperienced because of him being young. He is Hero caliber since he is a child. He will not simply run over to Ryu, trip on his big elf boots and impale himself on the Master Sword.
Link wins without initiative or not. You just don't get the fact that time stops right off the bat once Link starts casting a spell. Ryu's strongest attack is the Shinkuu Hadouken which could get deflected by Link's mirror shield and the Shin Shoryuken--this technique requires Ryu to get up close and personal. You do not want to get that close to someone wielding a shield and a sword. Perhaps if Link used the Biggoron Sword it's more feasable for Ryu to beat him in close quarters because of the slow swings and his recovery time; however the shield is too much.
Besides even if Ryu throws a Hadouken. Link casts Din's spell. Time freezes and the wall of fire gets rid of the Hadouken and then engulfs a defense less Ryu in flames.
There is no way Link vs Ryu will ever be fair to Ryu. Unless you take away all of his weapons and magic. Then it will be Ryu vs fairy boy--oh wait he doesn't even have a fairy of his own.
Link for the win 100/10.
Originally posted by Himo
ARE YOU NOT LISTENING? Link won't have the time. You have to take in account experience and mentality. Link is young, and relatively unexperienced comparied to Ryu. Ryu has a mentality of an instinctual fighter; he will not hesitate. Do you really think Link, who's about 14, will actually have the forethought or keen senses gained through experience. No. HELL No.So here is what I've thought up. If Link has the iniative, he wins. If it's a random encounter, it's up in the air. If Ryu has the iniative he wins. Fair?
How could I possibly be listening over the internet? You are the one who's not reading what I type though...
When Link casts a spell, TIME FREEZES. How the hell is Ryu gonna do shit when that happens? How is a Hadoken gonna save him?
Let's make a comparison. What's faster? A guy who will run up to another from an unkown distance (usually a vs fight should start like 20 meters away) and attack him, or a guy who stops time and sends a giant wall of fire against him? Hmmm......
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
You shouldn't really consider Link to be inexperienced because of him being young. He is Hero caliber since he is a child. He will not simply run over to Ryu, trip on his big elf boots and impale himself on the Master Sword.Link wins without initiative or not. You just don't get the fact that time stops right off the bat once Link starts casting a spell. Ryu's strongest attack is the Shinkuu Hadouken which could get deflected by Link's mirror shield and the Shin Shoryuken--this technique requires Ryu to get up close and personal. You do not want to get that close to someone wielding a shield and a sword. Perhaps if Link used the Biggoron Sword it's more feasable for Ryu to beat him in close quarters because of the slow swings and his recovery time; however the shield is too much.
Besides even if Ryu throws a Hadouken. Link casts Din's spell. Time freezes and the wall of fire gets rid of the Hadouken and then engulfs a defense less Ryu in flames.
There is no way Link vs Ryu will ever be fair to Ryu. Unless you take away all of his weapons and magic. Then it will be Ryu vs fairy boy--oh wait he doesn't even have a fairy of his own.
Link for the win 100/10.
How many times has Link acted RIGHT after he sees something, big and eyeballing him like a Mexican would a taco? All racial stereotypes aside, NEVER. Ryu has been through much more than Link. Ryu is, what, like 20-30? He's been fightin gand training since he was in his teens. Link? Probably started when he was 10, and is now around 13-14. Not very much time to gain the mental state the someone who has been training 10+ more years would. Link, like any teenager, would NOT have the mentality to act in an instance, like Ryu would. Ryu's attacks are instinctual; Link's are conciously decided by him.
Does time stop in the game? If that's true, IT'S IRRELEVANT. Gamey aspects like that don't count. If we take that into account, then Ryu's attack right before Link dies will pause all time and allow him an easy opening past Link's mega shield and invinca-sword. If you think that's too gamey, then so is Link stopping time right before a spell is cast.
If you don't get the reference to the fairy part, then don't respond to it.
Link+Iniative=Win
Ryu+Iniative=Win
No Iniative= Up in the Air
Originally posted by Himo
How many times has Link acted RIGHT after he sees something, big and eyeballing him like a Mexican would a taco? All racial stereotypes aside, NEVER. Ryu has been through much more than Link. Ryu is, what, like 20-30? He's been fightin gand training since he was in his teens. Link? Probably started when he was 10, and is now around 13-14. Not very much time to gain the mental state the someone who has been training 10+ more years would. Link, like any teenager, would NOT have the mentality to act in an instance, like Ryu would. Ryu's attacks are instinctual; Link's are conciously decided by him.Does time stop in the game? If that's true, IT'S IRRELEVANT. Gamey aspects like that don't count. If we take that into account, then Ryu's attack right before Link dies will pause all time and allow him an easy opening past Link's mega shield and invinca-sword. If you think that's too gamey, then so is Link stopping time right before a spell is cast.
If you don't get the reference to the fairy part, then don't respond to it.
Link+Iniative=Win
Ryu+Iniative=Win
No Iniative= Up in the Air
Ryu can be 85 years old and he still will not experience what a 8 year old Link experiences on a daily basis. You're assuming Link is a moron because he is not 35. You are wrong. Link is a hero of Legend. Not only of Legend a hero of fate.
Let me compare them:
Hero of Time/Legend/Wielder of tri-force of courage vs Uber Martial Artist
Right.
I can respond to whatever I want to, sorry. Better luck next time.
Link Wins 10/10 no matter how bad the odds are against him. Even if Ryu manages to KO Link he will be instantly brought back. Is it that hard to understand that Link's weapons and magic are simply too much for Ryu?
Yeah, and he is stopping time when he uses a spell. There are different beings that still can move when Link uses Din's fire, like the Moblins. I have no idea why they don't stop, probably cause they are Ganon's oldest servants, or maybe more powered by his power since they only exist in one single place in Hyrule by the time of OOT. Anyway, even if they strike Link, he doesn't get hurt while he does Din's Fire. Now if the case was for the game developpers that they didn't want Link to get hurt while he used it, then surley they wouldn't have to do that time shit, instead they could just leave it like it was, since Link doesn't take any damage anyway while doing it. Clearly this is not the case, and time do stop. Why? Because he is keeping them from escaping...
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeLink wins without initiative or not. You just don't get the fact that time stops right off the bat once Link starts casting a spell. Ryu's strongest attack is the Shinkuu Hadouken which could get deflected by Link's mirror shield and the Shin Shoryuken--this technique requires Ryu to get up close and personal. You do not want to get that close to someone wielding a shield and a sword. Perhaps if Link used the Biggoron Sword it's more feasable for Ryu to beat him in close quarters because of the slow swings and his recovery time; however the shield is too much.
Link for the win 100/10.
that is BS
Shinkuu Hadouken is not Ryu's strongest attack
And i stated that Ryu dodge bullets CLOSE, a few meters from his head, so he would be able to dodge Links sword.
Besides i said that EVERY swing Link does, he gets RECOVERYTIME.
That means that link has to go back to his neutral place to do a other attack, or to block. so in the RECOVERYTIME Ryu has enough chance to give Link a SHINSHORYUKEN.
And a SHINSHORYUKEN is bad , very bad on a litle man like Link. It can KILL HIM.!!!!
Originally posted by shin_remy
that is BSShinkuu Hadouken is not Ryu's strongest attack
And i stated that Ryu dodge bullets CLOSE, a few meters from his head, so he would be able to dodge Links sword.
Besides i said that EVERY swing Link does, he gets RECOVERYTIME.
That means that link has to go back to his neutral place to do a other attack, or to block. so in the RECOVERYTIME Ryu has enough chance to give Link a SHINSHORYUKEN.
And a SHINSHORYUKEN is bad , very bad on a litle man like Link. It can KILL HIM.!!!!
Dodging a sword is completly different. A bullet just travels forward at high speed, while a sword can be struck exactly where the wielder wants it to. He can do a vertical strike or a horisontal strike, whatever he does he can follow up quickly, WHILE having his shield ready. For example, Link could hold his shield forward then keep his arm beside the shield and strike all he wants.
And Ryu has recovery time as well. Link has as well, doesn't really have much, he can strike, then follow up with a new quickly. If Ryu is gonna try to attack at that moment he's gonna get killed, especially since Link can go invincible any time he wants to....
Originally posted by kamikz
Yeah, and he is stopping time when he uses a spell. There are different beings that still can move when Link uses Din's fire, like the Moblins. I have no idea why they don't stop, probably cause they are Ganon's oldest servants, or maybe more powered by his power since they only exist in one single place in Hyrule by the time of OOT. Anyway, even if they strike Link, he doesn't get hurt while he does Din's Fire. Now if the case was for the game developpers that they didn't want Link to get hurt while he used it, then surley they wouldn't have to do that time shit, instead they could just leave it like it was, since Link doesn't take any damage anyway while doing it. Clearly this is not the case, and time do stop. Why? Because he is keeping them from escaping...
ACTUALLY READ MY ARGUMENT. If Link has time stopped everytime he's cast a spell, then it's only fair that Ryu has time stop when he does he finishing move just like in every single fighter game. Since this real life and no health bars, every move of Ryu's is a finishing move, so time stops everytime he does something. Does that sound a little too gamey? YES. So therefore, Link being able to stop time every single time he casts a spell is GAMEY, and therefore IRRELEVANT.
Ryu can be 85 years old and he still will not experience what a 8 year old Link experiences on a daily basis. You're assuming Link is a moron because he is not 35. You are wrong. Link is a hero of Legend. Not only of Legend a hero of fate.Let me compare them:
Hero of Time/Legend/Wielder of tri-force of courage vs Uber Martial ArtistRight.
I can respond to whatever I want to, sorry. Better luck next time.
Link Wins 10/10 no matter how bad the odds are against him. Even if Ryu manages to KO Link he will be instantly brought back. Is it that hard to understand that Link's weapons and magic are simply too much for Ryu?
An 8 year old Link fights nothing that can match Ryu. It matters greatly how old you are. Link won't be ready for someone of Ryu's calibre. Link can go through hell and back, but still won't have the mentality or instinctual combat reactions that Ryu has honed over 10+ years o fighting against men and women who were his strength and size.
It's the fact that Ryu won't KO Link. HE'LL KILL HIM. This damage in our world, not game world, so no health bars or potions that can save either from a fatal hit.
And Swe_Bum, unless you have something to say in the argument, don't post random crap.