Originally posted by pr1983
High is not the same as highest...
I should of made my self clearer, wolverine is always listed at the highest skill level.
Originally posted by pr1983
is he on par with someone like shang chi?
I would put him over shang-chi, seeing how Logan has beaten him quite easily in issue (# 97 x-men hell fire in Hong Kong guest-starring Shang-Chi master of Kung-fu). Wolverine beat shang-chi in 6 panels and here is the scan of the end of the fight.
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvievsshang2ya7.jpgOriginally posted by pr1983
I own a fair share too, so one of us is wrong...
Well the person is you my friend. Not only do I own every x-men comic, but I almost own ever wolverine appearance ever.
Originally posted by pr1983
So he's a master of all of these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts
I would think so.
Originally posted by pr1983
Top tier. as in as good or better than the best. There is more than one tier.
Wolverine is on the highest tier a long with capt and a few others.
Originally posted by pr1983
I have no doubt that wolverine is an accomplished fighter,
This is one hell of a understatement.
Originally posted by pr1983
i just think batman is more accomplished...
I don’t think so nor do I think that could be possible. Either way there skill levels are two close for it to matter in a fight.
Originally posted by pr1983
Apparently not...
Apparently yes.
Originally posted by pr1983
Not if batman kills him long before then...
How the hell is batman going to kill him? Seriously what you just said is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Even if wolverine sat there and allowed batman to try and kill him for 24 hours batman would still fail in doing so. Batman does not have the ability to KO wolverine nor does he have the ability to kill him in a fight such as this. Batman will lose and he will go down hard.
Originally posted by rotiart
Wolverine was beat by Mr. X. A low level telepath with high level martial arts skills.
That’s one hell of an understatement. Mr.X is in peakhuman shape who is not only a telepath, but had mastered every fighting style on the planet and killed many of the greatest martial artist in the world.
Originally posted by rotiart
The comic stated that between wolverines moves and thoughts about his moves, he telegraphed everything to mr. x.
Yes and your point? Is batman a telepath? Also wolverine has tricked and defeated telepath in combat such as Rapture a shield agent who was trained to kill wolverine. She was even given a suit that amp her own abilities 10 fold and was also a telepath and wolverine killed her in (wolverine captain America #6) Wolverine also fought psylocke in ( x-men # 257) and stated well handing psylocke her ass that he can make his mind and body fight as one.
Originally posted by rotiart
who in turn made wolverine look like a 6 year old white belt in a karate school.
Have you ever read the issue? Mr.X did not even win blok had to save his ass. Mister x is a beast who thought both DD and capt were nothings. He would beat batman I have little doubts since batman never faced such a fighter as him. Mr.x in no way made wolverine look like a white belt. Mr. X him self thought wolverine was the greatest challenge and fighter he had ever met and Logan did not even know, he was a telepath at the time.
Originally posted by rotiart
The only way wolverine won was because he went berserker,
That’s not the only way he could have one since I know for a fact which I listed above wolverine has taken on two telepaths and with out going berserker he was still able to make him self un readable. Also wolverine berserker is still Logan using his skills.
Originally posted by rotiart
used his high adrenaline, rage, and unstoppable claws to slash in a fury of motions that would eventually include mr. x. It was not a question of wolverines skill,
You clearly do not know what berserker is my friend so here a scan that will help explain it to you
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=berserker27ojtc2.jpgOriginally posted by rotiart
as i'm sorry, having read many of his comics,
I highly doubt that.
Originally posted by rotiart
not most, not all, of wolverine included comics, wolverine rarely shows martial arts skills. btw.
Really now? I would have to disagree with you there seeing how logan shows impressive skills all the time in his comics and if you wish I can give comic number and such as prove.
Originally posted by rotiart
Wolverine doesn't use judo throws,
I don’t know why it would matter if he does use judo throws or not, but the fact is he does as seen in the scan below with blob.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthandspeedfeatpp0.jpgOriginally posted by rotiart
leg tosses.
Again why would it matter if Logan did not use this? It would not mean he was not able to use it. Leg tosses can be quite overrated, but none the less wolverine uses them such as in the scan below
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page20xa6.jpgOr did you mean more like what wolverine did to winter solider in (wolverine # 39 origins & endings)
Originally posted by rotiart
scissor takedowns
Again why would this matter? Scissor takedowns are not overly effective moves, but wolverine has done it before such as in issue (# 28 of x-treme x-men)
Originally posted by rotiart
like other marvel comic martial artists.
Most of the moves you mention are not overly effective moves though wolverine has used every single one of them in combat as I have just proven.
Originally posted by rotiart
He doesn't use jump kick,
Jump kicks are not very effective attacks when your are facing superhuman people. They make you an easy target and it is much better and faster to have your feet planet on the ground. That being said wolverine has used jump kicks before such as in (wolverine # 88)
Originally posted by rotiart
backkicks.
Wolverine has used this type of attack such as in ( wolverine origins # 4)
Originally posted by rotiart
Flip tosses.
What the hell are flip tosses?
Originally posted by rotiart
He does do ANY of that.
You mean doesn’t not does, but any ways your wrong wolverine, has as I have already proven, does in fact do every thing you said he does not do.
Originally posted by rotiart
He runs at you, and he uses if you look at the motions, traditional boxing manuevers with his claws included.
Says the man who has no idea what he talking about. You need to go read some more wolverine comics before commenting on him.
Originally posted by rotiart
now an uppercut, haymaker or short jab can hurt, but when you have 3 12' incnh long razor sharp blades included... well.. that can't be disarmed... that changes things.
You really think that all wolverine does? You are sadly mistaken. Here a short list of people who wolverine has punked through pure fighting skill.
Wolverine punked shang-chi in ( x-men # 97)
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvievsshang2ya7.jpgWolverine vs Daredevil in hand two hand combat.
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelcomicspresents151160kegj7.jpg
Wolverine also has easily defeated shatter star on three occasions.
Wolverine not using his claws vs shatter star using his swords ends up with wolverine easiliy beating shatter star in a few short panel in ( wolverine # 54)
Wolverine also easily defeats shatter star in ( x-force # 4)
Wolverine also easily defeats shatter star in issue ( jacklighting chapter 4 of x-men x-cutioner’s song)
Also in new thunderbolts # 4 the new swords men comments not eh fact that he can not hold of wolverine very long and is also full on the defensive and unable to score a single hit on wolverine who is not only dominating the fight, but has also hit new swordsmen’s arm and is close to killing him.
Here is just a list of a few people wolverine has punked and you should read this issue if you honestly think he such a one dimensional fighter.
