screw waiting. the peeps wants ACTION! and the caballeros aims ta pleeze!
Originally posted by grey fox
Since I started my last match off with a little ditty (Transformers : You got the touch) I thought I’d try it again….
you guys are the undisputed kings of multi-media. Hey, maybe you should have entered a multi-media tournament! **snicker**
Prep : Ok we start up with Henshaw turning Ray’s Human form Kryptonian
um, HOW does he do that? Perhaps in a lab, with all the proper tools and say, oh, MONTHS or YEARS, he could genetically alter ray. In 30 seconds?? I don’t really think anyone is going to buy that, I’m afraid. And if he can eliminate the k-nite weakness from Ray, you’d think he could eliminate it from himself as well . . . 😖hifty:
Cyborg transforms the ‘cyborg’ part of his body into Uru
I don’t suppose you have any proof he can take on MAGICAL properties . . .? Especially impressive in lieu of the fact that he has SUPERMAN’S dna! And we all know supes’s feelings on magic . . .
Ray creates permanent skin tight yellow force fields . . . also bends the light around use making us invisible
Invisible? Whew, we are screwed now . . .
😂
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in the last scan, max can't even SEE the being she dominates. 😄
Cyborg splits off a few fraction’s of his consciousness and they go off on a ‘round the globe trip’ picking up as much tech as possible . In a matter of minutes…perhaps even A minute
Hmm, I thought he was ltd to ONE body in this tourney? If his consciousness is in these others, and we kill hank, what happens to the others parts? Why is that relevant? Because SS ports to hank and bombards him with a combination of k-nite (see its effects on him in our first post) and red sunlight, then seals the deal by trapping him in a constrictor preventing his consciousness from wandering and keeping him sealed and unable to affect anyone or anything. Hank doesn’t like being encased in energy . . .
oh, and as for yellow: you’re a bit out of touch with current gl’s, methinks . . .
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Thor crushes their hands with his awesome gravity manipulation skills
gotta admit, THIS one threw me . . . I’m not even sure where to start.
1. the rings have survived . . . INSIDE STARS AND BLACK HOLES! Whatever little gravity thor can manipulate sure as HELL is less than insignificant when compared to a SINGULARITY.
2. thor hasn’t actually manipulated gravity in . . . a LONNNGGGG time.
3. he has NEVER shown the pinpoint-type precision you’re claiming he has here, nor the control over it to achieve the ends you’re going for.
4. these ‘gravity’ controlling powers would have come in handy the times GRAVITON was kicking thor’s arse ALONG with the arses of ALL the Avengers. Apparently thor’s gravity control<graviton’s, and here we have him facing a RING-ENHANCED SS.
5. your scan doesn’t work, but I believe I know the incident you are referencing: doesn’t he use the power to REPEL the skrull into space and back to his ship?? It’s an ANTI-GRAVITY power, IF it is the one I’m thinking of.
Anywho, the whole ‘crushing the rings with gravity thing’ isn’t looking all that probable, I’m afraid . . . Besides, we’ve seen in the last rd that nullifying gravitational effects really isn’t much to even a REGULAR ss.
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And, incidentally . . . did you happen to notice we are on OPPOSITE sides of Ireland?? I don’t think what little control over gravity thor MAY possess would actually work across hundreds of miles – and certainly NOT with the precision you’re looking for.
That plan just gets worse and worse . . .
Surfer get’s punked by Thor
Using scans of WARRIOR MAD thor to make a case for regular thor?? C’mon foxy, you’re better’n that. First, thor would never HIT ss if he didn’t WANT to be hit:
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ss1qa7.jpg
second, THIS ss has A RING!! Whatever chance REGULAR thor may have in a 1on1 fight with normal ss is reduced DRAMATICALLY when facing a ring-enhanced ss. Not to mention the little problem thor would be having with max. by this point in the battle, thor thinks he’s sitting in a field in Asgard eating a magic apple, with a dozen beautiful goddesses stroking his hair.
Or Max has just blown his mind to pieces like she did to orion and cap marvel – both VERY powerful in magic and orion is ALSO considered ‘immune/highly resistant to tp’ by most on the forum. The whole thing is especially ugly because she ports BEHIND him and blasts him without his ever even knowing she was there. Oh, and should she feel even the SLIGHTEST resistance, she simply uses the ring to amplify her already ridiculous tp.
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1. A few pico seconds into the fight : cyborg splits his consciousness before going on the ‘round the world tour’
2. First few seconds into the fight : Thor crushes their rings.
3. 7 seconds into the fight : Cyborg attacks Maxima and will invariably win being her superior in every sense.
5. 10 seconds into the fight : Thor attacks Silver Surfer killing him within 1-5 minuties
6. ???? Seconds into the fight Ray kills a ‘human hal’
7. 1 minute into the fight : Mechs arrive and start laying a beat down on any living opponents.
We win 😄 [/B]
Rational translation:
1. first seconds of the fight: borg has ss teleport right on top of him, bombard him with k-nite and red sunlight then place him in a constrictor made entirely of energy.
2. first seconds of the fight: thor says – “Od’s Blood! They stand a country away! I shall hie to them and use my invincible gravi – YARRRAGHHHHH!! Mine brain, t’is on fire! But I am invisible and see no foe! What witchcraft . . . (thor falls ko’d, but if he’s lucky, max puts him in his ‘happy place’.) 😄
3. 7 seconds? To get tech from ‘all round the world’? Hmmm . . . I don’t think so. Earlier you said at least a minute, but even THAT seems LUDICROUSLY short to gather tech from everywhere on earth, recreate it into constructs then have them all appear and attack us . . .
4. 10 seconds into the fight, thor is taking a nice long nap . . .
5. my partner will deal with this little issue.
6. the fight is over by then, hank’s mind is trapped and all his ‘constructs’ fall to pieces . . .
😄
Here they are in chronological order. Sorry about the scan malfunction.
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That should be all of them. Hope they work this time.
Originally posted by grey fox
Monitor what ? You can’t see us and cosmic awareness only works on what facts you would need at that very moment , unless you want to pull a genis and go wide screen with the CA , causing surfer to go insane .
😑 Are you trying to say if SS (in this instance RING-ENHANCED!!) broadens his cosmic awareness he’ll go ‘nuts’? GF, that’s not even worth a rebuttal . . .
B. You see the first two scans , they would apply if Thor still had Donald Blake inside of him (Which he hasn’t) and was also caused by a weapon not by the creature itself it just utilises it’s ‘remaining power’ . Secondly Morgan Le Fay is a sorceress , that’s magic not telepathy. Big difference
some little alien can use low powered tech to affect him but max can’t? 😂 you do recall she has a RING, right? The ring just MIGHT trump that little, low-powered weapon – IF her own power seems insufficient to someone for some inexplicable reason. If she senses ANY resistance, she simply uses the ring’s power to augment her own tp and thor falls, though she should be MORE than able to ko him on her own. oh, and nice job of cleverly avoiding the issue where moondragon mentally controlled thor. 😉
thor gets put to sleep from behind by max. no way to avoid it, no way to resist it.
Those (Maxima’s telepathic assualt ) scans show nothing of Importance
Most of the forum thinks orion is immune to tp, and you’re saying someone with the wisdom of Solomon who is also one of the most powerful magical beings in dc has . . . mental issues? Nuh-uh, bucko. Thor goes down as easily as they did and what’s more – he never sees it coming. To the layman – he can’t absorb what he can’t see.
Originally posted by Psyquis52
Thought you might like this: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/ultimate+showdown/#start
this one is hilarious. It should have started things off.
Nor, might I add will your shields block light. Unless you want your people to be flying blind. If light can get in then I can hurt you.
and you WANT to come into a shield that has a gl ss (who is monitoring you precisely), a gl maxima and the greatest gl ever inside of it? Well, damn boy, c’mon in!! 😄
That’s fairly ludicrous
so is the power of the rings. 😬
Originally posted by grey fox
(Not that it would matter even if you could , Thor being able to drain any Solar energy you create or store within your body)
thor needs to get close enough to do anything at all, first. And it would be hard for him to absorb anything when max ports behind him and blows his brains into so much confetti without his even knowing what happened.
😄
Maxima’s being beaten to death by Cyborg Supes and her ring is non existent .
how does he prevent her teleporting behind thor again . . .?
Surfer’s taking an ass kicking from THE GOD OF THUNDER !!!! The scans are proof enough that Surfer will die .
how do you keep ss from teleporting to henshaw again . . .? you see, our nifty teleport ability let’s US decide who is attacking whom. Thor needs to use his hammer to port. Max only needs to THINK about it. She has the speed advantage on him. And ss THINKS faster than anyone.
Nice scans , I also have two you’d like. One where Hyperion say’s he can kill Galactus and another where spiderman say’s he can kill the hulk. Once again folks don’t believe everything a character states
gf, are you saying that borg was . . . BRAGGING about his weakness?? A short time later, supes stuck his hand in borg and vibrated him to pieces. Clearly he was NOT lying, and clearly he WAS weakened. He was willing to keep up the k-nite attack even if it killed HIM so long as he took out supes! ss ports to him, blasts him with k-nite and red sunlight then ss binds his consciousness in a constrictor made of energy, trapping him for good as shown above.
Kallark is the marvel universes ***** , WOLVERINE beat him
actually, glads beat wolverine – he snapped off one of his claws. not that it has any relevance, but a cool point nonetheless. 😄
That scan is bogus , it doesn’t state that it’s Solar energy and you can visibly see the energy radiating from Surfers hand in the last panel. Try again
you misunderstand – the scan was meant to show ss controlling the energy INSIDE a person who is MADE of energy. He even superceded joh control over his OWN energy. Solar is just another type of energy. And in THIS case, there isn’t someone fighting ss’s control over it. oh, and ss does pretty well with solar energy:
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Once again He can simply turn his body full metal[/B]
that won’t matter much once he’s been weakened (via any combination of k-nite, red sunlight or by simply having the solar energy drained from his cells . . .) and trapped, unable to send his consciousness to a new body (if he could) ‘cuz that mate, is against the rules. 😄
To sum up:
1. prove borg can change ray to kryptonian – in 30 sec.
2. prove borg can mimic magical powers.
3. thor’s gravity control is no where NEAR enough to . . . crush the rings?? 😑 especially as we are on opposite sides of a country!
4. max ports behind thor before he can even TRY anything as your invisibility is less than meaningless (her tp would let her hear his thoughts and the ring could EASILY grant her senses to see or hear him) and takes him out with a psi-blast
5. ss ports to borg and blastes him with k-nite and red sunlight then traps him in a constrictor. If his consciousness HAS split, I’m not sure of the ruling there, but the ‘fragments’ would be unable to rejoin with henshaw.
6. once again, a team cannot counter our ability to instantly teleport to an opponent and thereby dictate who fights who. We then take advantage of their team’s weaknesses to finish them off quickly.
Judges and readers, our plan basically remains exactly as it has always been.
Hey, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. 😉
NON-OFFICIAL POST:
Originally posted by Psyquis52
Here they are in chronological order. Sorry about the scan malfunction.
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http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nity23179av.jpgThat should be all of them. Hope they work this time.
sorry, psy, STILL no go . . . 🙁
@#$%!!!
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Try this again
First of all let me begin by explaining all the mistakes GF and Psyquis52 have made now that they have finally decided to join in the debate.
To begin with, the idea that Cyborg Superman can alter the DNA of Ray and turn him into a Kryptonian is laughable. He has never shown the ability to alter another beings DNA at all much less do so with no equipment and in a mere 30 seconds. There is absolutely nothing inherent in Cyborg's powerset that would lead any to even assume such a thing would be possible for him to accomplish on his own and they can't provide a scan of him doing anything similar.
What is really telling is how this very concept of changing Ray's DNA shows their lack of knowledge of their own characters. Not only is it not possible for Cyborg to do this, but even if you assume he could then all he will have done is actually render Ray powerless. Let me explain a little bit about Ray Terrill and his powers. You see Ray's father, Lanford "Happy" Terrill, was exposed to a genetic light bomb by a group called RONOL in the hopes that his offspring (ie the recipients of his mutated DNA) would posses powers and be able to communicate with a light entity that was believed to be threatening the world.
Why is this important? Well if GF and Psyquis turned his mutated human DNA to Kryptonian DNA, then all they would have is a powerless kryptonian. All of Ray's unique powers would be lost in along with his original DNA. doh So even if they could do this (which they can't) it would end up in essence depowering one of their own characters!
The next example of our opponents misusing their team due to lack of knowledge of their own characters is the idea that Cyborg can make himself a body out of Uru. Grey Fox must be confusing the character he drafted with Absorbing Man as that is not how Cyborg's powers work. Now he might be able to make his body out of Uru if he had a sufficient amount of it to inhabit and he could deal with it's magic nature (not that he's ever done anything like that mind you) but merely touching it will do nothing for him. The only source of Uru he has access to is Mjolnir and I highly doubt Cyborg can override Odin's enchantments or the magic that went into it's creation. Thus Cyborg is stuck in his Kryptonian-alloy body, not that it matters much as he will be soon weakened by K-nit radiation and taken down.
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=knitedi7.jpg
Also it seems that Grey Fox forgot that multiple bodies for Cyborg was banned when they drafted him. How convenient. 🙄
And as for the yellow "weakness" GF mentions, I guess Fox hasn't been keeping up with his Green Lantern comics. ❌ I believe Geoff Johns has said it really isn't a weakness any more. Hell, in Green Lantern Corps: Recharge #4 we can see that even new GL recruits can handle the collor yellow except when they are experiencing panic or fear as seen with Soranik Natu. Needless to say it isn't an issue for Hal or any of our GL as they all have his expierence. But perhaps I should just let Hal explain it:
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Next up is this idiotic gravity attack. Not only has Thor never shown the fine degree of control or the shear force of gravity they are claiming but even it he could, it wouldn't effect our team in the slightest. ❌
A rookie GL (Just that day received the ring) casually seals a BLACK HOLE.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl169_10.jpg
Here a single Green Lantern dives into and seals a SUPER MASSIVE black hole that threatened to destroy an entire "space sector" (or 1/3600 of the Universe) and despite the tremendous gravity he can still move, his ring can still function, and his ring takes no damage.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl151_23_glc.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl151_24_glc.jpg
And keep in mind "Hal" just didn't simply stamp on his ring to crush it. At he had just defeated several Green Lanterns and possesed multiple GL rings at the time. And even then he was only able to crush it when he took it off his hands and it didn't have any protective shield around it. But a rather weak "gravity" attack isn't going to damage a GL ring while it is being used and protected by it's own shield.
Now I know there have been a few questions as to Hal's ability to alter DNA. So I'd like to take the time and clear that point up. First as we can see here he has no problem is changing his DNA (and entire body) into a robot and of course he later changes his inorganic body back to that of a normal human body with normal human DNA:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7848ee1e.jpg
Next we see Hal turning his own body (DNA included), Superman's, and other's into pure light energy. And of course he later changes that light energy back into Human and Kryptonian bodies along with their respective DNA.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg
How about something new? Here a sleeping Hal turns his human friend, Tom Kalmaku, into a seagull compelet with seagull DNA (and again Hal later changes the poor guy back to his human body with it's human DNA):
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ca9d1208.jpg
And when Tom is disguised as Hal by Hal, Hector Hammond (Pre-transformation) gains the Faux-Hal's ring and devolves him into an ape. Hal later restores him to his normal form (ie turn his ape DNA back to Tom's original Human DNA)
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Changing being from one species to another is nothing new to Green Lanterns and Hal in particular. Give the fact that he has altered Superman's body several times there no reason he couldn't change his body into a Kryptonian as easily as he turned Tom into a seagull or Hector turned Tom into an ape.
Oh, and invisibility doesn't really work on Green Lanterns
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/5599b482.jpg
Lastly as to Hal's matchup with Ray. Now we know that Ray isn't going to be a Kryptonian (and if he were he'd actually lose all of his origional powers) but he will be matching up against a fully sundipped, Kryptonian Hal who has multiple Green Lantern rings. Let us look at their own bio of Ray to get a idea of his powers:
Once his body absorbs sunlight, he can direct the energy to rearrange molecules into any form, matter or energy. Storing sunlight, he can even function in darkness for a limited amount of time. The only limitations to this ability lie in his capacity for concentration and the duration of his energy expulsion.
Now all he can control is the sunlight he as absorbed into his body so the idea that he could possibly control the emerald energy of a Green Lantern ring or that he can control the solar energy Hal's rings are directly feeding into Hal's own body is laughable. Besides that there is no attack Ray could possibly subject Hal to that would have the slightest chance of working. Hal shield has protected him from the light, heat, radiation, and kinetic energy from a super nova before and there is no evidence Ray can come anywhere close to that level of power. The caption even says the energy being released by the super nova in one second is as much as the sun releases in 60 YEARS and yet Hal handels it just fine.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg
So if Ray is in energy form then a little "anti-energy" takes care of him real quick and if he still human then he dead just as quick. There is no evidence Ray has any kind of enhansed durability in his human form and a simply physical attack from the ring would be enough to kill him. Hell, just a punch from "normal" Hal would do it (not to mention a sundipped kryptonian Hal). Hal has taken down the entire JLA, including Superman, by himself:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/a46a7e79.jpg
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And here he K.O. Mongul with one hit despite having a crushed arm and knee. Remember that Mongul is a Superman-level character in terms of strength and durability and he later went on in this issue to take on Kyle and Superman at the same time.
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Ray is just outmatched. He can't turn into his highly durable energy form or Hal can easily kill him and he can't stay human or, once again, Hal can easily kill him.
Okay. Here we go.
Defense:
1.) Invisibility does not make us untraceable. This is true. So in concept SS can sense where we are and Maxima can probe for our thoughts. However, this does put something of a hamper on your theory of teleporting behind us; because A. we will be attack you very quickly and B. you have to do a fast scan to find us. Now in your showings of SS and Maxima scanning to find people it didn't appear that they were doing it all that fast. In fact I dare say it is anything but instantaneous, therefore before your people know what's happening my team will be on you and aggressively attacking your team. And yes my team can move fast enough to do that. Enough if you do teleport it's another matter of you not being able to see us and us coming right after you immediately.
2.) *Sigh* Your bio of Ray is rather incomplete. No suprise seeing as I can't seem to find a complete bio of the Ray anywhere on the net. The uses more than just sunlight. Now just the other day I was looking at the final battle against Parallax. During that fight there was a plethora of energy absorbers present that were trying to weaken Parallax for the final blow. One of said absorbers was the Ray and he stated that he was capable of absorbing all the light. Therefore, yes I will be feeding off of any constructs or energy beams you create because the ring does emit light. Now that doesn't give me control over the ring or it's constructs and it doesn't dissassemble them either; but it does feed me.
3.) I didn't see a single valid refute to our claim that Thor would be able to control the gravitational fields around you. He was able to target a single Skrull I'm pretty sure that he will be able to direct it on you three. There's no reason why it has to specifically attack your hands. It can just as easily assault your entire bodies. This would act as a distraction if nothing else which makes you vulnerable to our next assault. A direct physical attack.
4.) I noticed the words fear and panic. These are two emotions that can easily be generated by a set of invisible foes of immense power. Shields will definately be effective against Maxima and SS since they are mostly new to the rings. Not that the rings will help them anyway because even if they do share in Hal's knowledge of the ring they are still rookies and will not have the proper experience to properly wield them. They also will have to do without Hal's willpower. These would be weaker willed people. The ring is a Cracker Jack toy in their hands.
5.) DNA manipulation. I think you missed the sub-text there. Perhaps we should be more blunt and leave nothing to the imagination. Instead of having a mutated human's DNA I have a similarly mutated Kryptonian DNA. I don't know if that stands under arguing for my partner or me. If it falls under my partner please edit this out Digi, and I apologize. I don't intend to exasperate my opponents by bending or breaking any rules.
6.) NO SUNDIPPING. Whatsoever. You guys will be the first to lose whatever solar energy you have on hand. I think you missed the part where I said, "That's my specialty." And don't tell me the shields will maintain it because like I said, "If light can get in, so can I." You will not have access to any solar energy. Since my body is partially consisting of solar energy then my body acts as an anchor for said energies making it even easier for me to consume the excess energies in the battlefield. Aside from my partner, Cyborg, and myself nobody will be walking around as super-charged Kryptonians.
Offensive:
1.) I would like to see how effective Hal is going to be when he's suffering from Hypothermia. Because that's what he'll be going through when the Ray drains him of his body heat. I'm certain it would leave you very vulnerable indeed. Don't worry though. I'll make it quick and after your body has been drained of enough heat I'll assualt you with some physical attacks and since your body is shaking too bad to do much I guess you'll just have to take it. As far as your ring is concerned I know it will automatically try to defend you...that's why I'll keep the pressure on. Hal won't know what's happening until it's too late.
2. Thor is very fast indeed and won't waste anytime zooming at SS and knocking him off balance. It's bad enough trying to fight a Thor you can see but with him invisible SS won't know how to defend himself leaving him vulnerable for a barrage of physical attacks from Thor. With no real way to defend himself SS will fall quickly to the might of the Thunder God!
In conclusion I'd like to say what an honor it is to fight such intelectually gifted individuals as yourself and I look forward to your rebuttal. Good luck gentlemen. ;\
Originally posted by Psyquis52
Defense:
1.) Invisibility does not make us untraceable. This is true......
Where to begin? Firstly, the idea that your team is going to effectively "speedblitz" a team containing a GL Silver Surfer (GL ring + cosmic awarness), a GL Maxima (GL ring + top teir telepathy), and a Kryptonian Hal (GL ring + kryptonian senses) is laughable.
You must remember that the teams start out on opposite sides of Ireland and from the best maps I could find this means that we will be at about 200 miles from one another. At such vast distance the only character on your team that could possibly even attempt to find our team is Cyborg Superman, so it's just too bad that you guys had him focused soley on try to alter Ray's DNA and illegally split up his consciousness. 😬 Perhaps you should have thought about how you are actually going to locate our team before claiming you'd get the first shot in.
And as for the time it takes the Surfer to conduct a scan, here is conducts a thorough scan of an ENTIRE PLANET before Dr. Strange could even finish his sentence.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9962/ssscanspeedra8.png
Is that fast enough?
Now remember he will be aided by a GL ring in this fight.
That means GL Surfer and GL Maxima can detect your team and they can all use their GL rings to cancle the invisibility. Once that happens our team can continue with their plan.
Originally posted by Psyquis52
2.) *Sigh* Your bio of Ray is rather incomplete....
It isn't "my" bio. It's the one that is avaliable one the first page of the round along with all the other "official" bios used in this tourney.
So...now you claim Ray can manipulate/absorb Green Lantern energy but can't provide any scans or even a bio to back up that claim? 😆 Sorry but your conjecture and unsubstantiated claims just won't cut it. It doesn't matter why YOU think Ray was in the fight (other than the obvious reason that he's a good guy and they were all trying to fight a bad guy). So by all means if Ray can manipulate/absorb the unique emerald energy from a GL ring, despite the fact that the bio provided only stated he can manipulate SOLAR energy, then it's up to you to actually prove it.
This is rather pointless as Hal can still easily speedblitz Ray (thanks to his Kryptonian physiology) and either physically k.o. him if he's in his human body or use his "anti-energy" attack against him if he is pure energy.
But I'd hate to leave any ambiguity in the matter, so let us look at some actual scans:
Ray having his sunshine manipulated by Dr. Light in a rather painful manner
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rayss9.jpg
And here Hal is able to take control over one of Dr. Light's light constructs.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/Green_Lantern-SA-033-13.jpg
Originally posted by Psyquis52
3.) I didn't see a single valid refute to our claim that Thor would be able to control the gravitational fields around you...
In the scan you are using to "prove" Thor can manipulate gravity, the word GRAVITY never appears. The Super-Skrull says it is a
"force that he cannot begin to comprehend." I'd wager a being from a scientifically advanced, space faring race could "comprehend" gravity.
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blast0043xd.jpg
As Leo has explained, Thor will be mind raped by Maxima at the beginingg of the fight but more to the point I've shown how even rookie GLs can manipulate and navigate through gravity fields MUCH greater than ANYTHING Thor can ever hope to produce (not that you've proven he can anyway).
Black hole's gravity >>>>>>>>>>>than Thor's "blasts" that could only lift up a single Skrull.
That being the case, we need to address the idea that physical attacks will actually harm our team. Not only does every member of our team have a GL ring that is able to provide an legendary levels of protection against physical attacks, but every member of our team has at least Superman-level durability in their own right. And they will be matching up against a mentally crippled Thor, a Cyborg Superman weakened by kryptonite, and a character with human durability.
Originally posted by Psyquis52
4.) I noticed the words fear and panic....
Will that is what you get for just reading two words in a single post and not keeping the other details of the fight in mind. The Surfer and Maxima will have the advantage having all of Hal's knowledge/experience of being a Green Lantern and his memories/aspects of his personality that give him such a strong will. That was kind of the point of sharing Hal's memories. 😐
This means that will be nearly as good at using the ring as Hal is as they will have Hal's will backing up their already considerable willpower. Leo has shown scans of Maxima mentally overpowering the wills of top tier DC characters and here we see the Silver Surfer resisiting an attack from Moon Dragon with the Mind Gem though sheer willpower:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg
And even rookie Green Lanterns can amazing things with a ring:
Rookie Hal (he just got the ring) survives a nuclear explosion
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/9863/emeralddawn00321rougher8ak.jpg
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/4952/emeralddawn00322rougher7zi.jpg
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/9159/greenlanternemeralddawn04014zn.jpg
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/1280/greenlanternemeralddawn04022ta.jpg
A rookie GL seals up an bridge to the Anti-Matter universe bursting forth with Anti-Matter.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl164_24_glc.jpg
A rookie GL (Just that day received the ring) casually seals a BLACK HOLE.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl169_10.jpg
A man who JUST got the GL ring uses the ring to seal up a number of monsters rampaging a settlement and send them to a distant galaxy.
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=talesofglcorpsannual02244ga.jpg
Originally posted by Psyquis52
5.) DNA manipulation.....
So let me get this straight.....Cyborg Superman is going to analize the 25,000 genes and 3x10^9 base pairs in human DNA, discover the particular mutation that grants Ray his powers, transmute the billions upon billions of strands of human DNA in Ray into Kryptonian DNA, then Cyborg is going to mutate Ray's new DNA with the exact same mutation he origionally had.......all in 30 seconds.....with no equipment......with no scans every showing Cyborg doing ANYTHING like that before......right?
Well gentlemen, all I can say is bullshit. This is one of the most far-fetched and unsuported conjecture I've ever seen. Logically extrapoliating unconventional attacks from a particular powerset is one thing, but this is....well I really don't know what to call this.
How exactly is Cyborg suppose to alter Ray's DNA in the first place? Using his Ice-breath?......his super-hearing?.....no, well how about his heat vision? A high intensity laser should be just the thing to easily alter a human's body into another species.........Waitaminute I know! You guys are going to have Cyborg use his strength to pound Ray into a pile of goo then rebuild him chromosome by chromosome in 30 seconds. No? Well then please tell me exactly how you are going to accomplish this. I really want to know. 😐
Originally posted by Psyquis52
6.) NO SUNDIPPING. Whatsoever.....I think you missed the part where I said, "That's my specialty."....
You do realize that simply because you "say" something it isn't automatically fact, don't you? You actually haven't shown a scan of Ray doing anything, so your contention that he will be able to affect Hal's ring directly feeding him solar energy from over 200 miles away means nothing. ❌
Any part of Ray's body that is composed of energy get's destoyed by Hal's anti-energy attack and the rest of his human body will easily be shattered by a single attack from Hal.
Originally posted by Psyquis52
Offensive:
1.) I would like to see how effective Hal is going to be when he's suffering from Hypothermia....
Scans of Ray draining anybody of body heat? 😑
Keep in mind they haven't shown any evience that Ray can afftect a person's body much less one showing he can manipulate a person's body that is being protected by a GL personal shield.
....really....hypothermia...... against a Green Lantern who flies in space all the time......who now has a kryptonian body directly being fed solar energy by 10 rings.......wow.
Originally posted by Psyquis52
2. Thor is very fast indeed ...
Tell that to Mongoose.
Thanks to our superior scaning abilities, our team-wide teleporting abilities, and the fact that we start out a vast distance between each other then our team gets to decide the matchups. Leo already explained how Thor is being dealt with. Given our combination of GL rings (which can counter invisibility), cosmic awareness, and telepathy
we can easily see anything your team is trying and quickly counter it.
Originally posted by Psyquis52
In conclusion....Good luck gentlemen. ;\
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QUOTE=7168310]Originally posted by TheKahn
To begin with, the idea that Cyborg Superman can alter the DNA of Ray and turn him into a Kryptonian is laughable. He has never shown the ability to alter another beings DNA at all much less do so with no equipment and in a mere 30 seconds. There is absolutely nothing inherent in Cyborg's powerset that would lead any to even assume such a thing would be possible for him to accomplish on his own and they can't provide a scan of him doing anything similar. [/QUOTE]
Awww bullshit all wrapped up in a nice shiny box of pseudo logic . For me ? Why you shouldn't have 😱 Now Khan is obviously blind
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/borgflesh.jpg
and also pretty silly considering that he belives he can't 'alter DNA' so what is he doung to that Apokalyptian trooper hmm just having a personal disco dance party for him. ? Also theirs absaloutly nothign in any of your mateiral or powerset whch say's you can turn yourself Kryptonian ...yet you still claim you can .
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]Thus Cyborg is stuck in his Kryptonian-alloy body, not that it matters much as he will be soon weakened by K-nit radiation and taken down.
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=knitedi7.jpg
Also it doesn't even make sense story wise , why in GODS NAME would Cyborg state that he has a weakness. He wouldn't pure and simple ..not that it matters much sicne he could easily becoem full metal , ignore the blast and then turn back
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]Also it seems that Grey Fox forgot that multiple bodies for Cyborg was banned when they drafted him. How convenient.
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]And as for the yellow "weakness" GF mentions, I guess Fox hasn't been keeping up with his Green Lantern comics. ❌ I believe Geoff Johns has said it really isn't a weakness any more. Hell, in Green Lantern Corps: Recharge #4 we can see that even new GL recruits can handle the collor yellow except when they are experiencing panic or fear as seen with Soranik Natu. Needless to say it isn't an issue for Hal or any of our GL as they all have his expierence. But perhaps I should just let Hal explain it:
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dc52week13015pl1.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]Next up is this idiotic gravity attack. Not only has Thor never shown the fine degree of control
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]or the shear force of gravity they are claiming but even it he could, it wouldn't effect our team in the slightest. .
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]A rookie GL (Just that day received the ring) casually seals a BLACK HOLE.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl169_10.jpg
Commanded the ring to do it
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]Here a single Green Lantern dives into and seals a SUPER MASSIVE black hole that threatened to destroy an entire "space sector" (or 1/3600 of the Universe) and despite the tremendous gravity he can still move, his ring can still function, and his ring takes no damage.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl151_23_glc.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]And keep in mind "Hal" just didn't simply stamp on his ring to crush it.
yup he pretty much stamps on it . Why is all of my opponents rely on bullshit characters state and are generally blind.
Originally posted by TheKahnBLIIIIIIIIIIIND, No GL rings and he STILL stamps on it
[B]At he had just defeated several Green Lanterns and possesed multiple GL rings at the time.
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]But a rather weak "gravity" attack isn't going to damage a GL ring
while it is being used and protected by it's own shield.
Gravity doesn’t just stop at a shield you know , what’s stopping you from floating off the ground your currently standing on Hal ? Hmm why gravity. The rings are dust now , get over it. The best thing they can do right now is give Hal a buzz from which might just dull the pain of his imminent death.
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]Now I know there have been a few questions as to Hal's ability to alter DNA. So I'd like to take the time and clear that point up. First as we can see here he has no problem is changing his DNA (and entire body) into a robot and of course he later changes his inorganic body back to that of a normal human body with normal human DNA:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7848ee1e.jpgI've already explained that. It is (quite simply) robot man and then a reversal.
[QUOTE=7168310]Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]Next we see Hal turning his own body (DNA included), Superman's, and other's into pure light energy.
Exactly the same as beofre except light instead of robot
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]And of course he later changes that light energy back into Human and Kryptonian bodies along with their respective DNA.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]How about something new? Here a sleeping Hal turns his human friend, Tom Kalmaku, into a seagull compelet with seagull DNA (and again Hal later changes the poor guy back to his human body with it's human DNA):
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ca9d1208.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahnA. Pre-crisis
[B]And when Tom is disguised as Hal by Hal, Hector Hammond (Pre-transformation) gains the Faux-Hal's ring and devolves him into an ape. Hal later restores him to his normal form (ie turn his ape DNA back to Tom's original Human DNA)
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/c16cba8c.jpg
B. It's not Hal doing it , it also goes against the 'great will' retcon
C. You answered your own question DEvolution , absolutely nothing to do with genetics
Originally posted by TheKahn
[B]Changing being from one species to another is nothing new to Green Lanterns and Hal in particular. Give the fact that he has altered Superman's body several times there no reason he couldn't change his body into a Kryptonian as easily as he turned Tom into a seagull or Hector turned Tom into an ape.
*Sigh' Re-wind on the ring my friend , re-wind on the ring. Not to mention it's all happened in Pre-crisis which (IMO) should be banned from tourney's . Why ? Because it's screws with any logic and does shit which is so out of peoples power sets it's not even funny.
Originally posted by TheKahnNotice that he KNEW of their presence before making them visible . None of that here.
[B]Invisibility doesn't really work on Green Lanterns
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/5599b482.jpg
Now let's conclude with a brief summary of your plan.
1 . Ring does shit which can't be proven and trying to prove it means using scans from a era when LIGHTBULBS can be used as part of time travel
2. Teleport , teleport , no one can see us when we teleport , which is quite funny considering We don’t take into the account that Thor’s 'swing' speed outclasses thought. Maxima' gets her head knocked clean off
3. Make up bull that were in another country to prevent us from losing , when in every tourney characters start off around a few metres away from each other , also ignore a fundamental part of the universe with a weak statement of 'a shield' once again forgetting that (if your hiding behind a shield) Thor can simply teleport himself and his comrades inside and kill everyone within the shield.
4. Ignore the fact that 8/10 times Surfer has encountered Thor he's had his glittery ass handed back to him
