seperation between light and dark powers

force push can be a defensive power, yoda does it, imo, becuase hes pissed at being shocked. pushing droids doesn't count as thier not living beings.

the first form developed is the jedi phiosophy, disarming an opponent with as little injury as possible, unless thier too powerful to be left alive, thats why they use it offensivly during the movies.

jedi think outwards, defending people who cannot defend themselves and fighting evil

the sith think inwards, using thier powers for thier own ends.both light and dark powers are reflected by the philosophies.

a metafor:

Imagine the force as a river of water starting it journey at the top of a mountain, the mauntain being time. as the water, or the force, flows and carves its own natural way down the mountain. the jedi are like natives that live next to the river, using the water but letting it continue its natural path. the sit, even one, can be likened to a dam that blocks the water natural path, drawing the water for its own purposes. if the dam is broken, in other words the sith destroyed, the waters can return to thier natural state and path.

this can be used if your describing the force powers used.

A decent metaphor.

did you just think that up or did you get it from somewhere

"force push can be a defensive power, yoda does it, imo, becuase hes pissed at being shocked. pushing droids doesn't count as thier not living beings."

No it is not 'defensive' It is used TO ATTACK THINGS. How much more clear can that be~?

Saying droids do not count is silly- it is still abeing used as a weapon. Besides which, it was also used on Geonosians, and saying it is still defensive when Yoda used it but that was different because he is 'pissed' it madness.

The Jedi use the force as a weapon. They use it offensively as a weapon. But they do all this inside the gneeral task of defending others- the same way they use their Lightsabres.

Why is this 'emerald lightning' darker than the darkside because it kills? What does that make a lightsabre?

There's no way for it to be used in the Jedi Code, it's more dark than normal Force Lightning, because it will automatically kill someone upon contact, how is that not considered a Dark Side power is what I'm asking? It makes normal Force Lightning look like a Light Side pwoer

Again- what makes it evil because it kills quickly, that is different from a Lightsabre?

If something is going to be evil in Star Wars it cannot be because it kills. That makes all weapons evil, from lightsabres to X-Wings to Han Solo's blaster.

That's funny, in The New Rebellion the Imperial Royalists said the same thing....

The Jedi are not suppose to use the Force to kill a person, a Lightsaber can be used to disarm, incapacitate, and yes, kill if the situation calls for it, you are not supposed to kill/injure someone on purpose, unless again, there is no other way. There is NO way to survive 'Emerald Lightning'

who uses emerald lightning and can i see some pics please

as kyle katarn says on jedi outcast 2 no power is realyy good or evil its how u use them.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
That's funny, in The New Rebellion the Imperial Royalists said the same thing....

The Jedi are not suppose to use the Force to kill a person, a Lightsaber can be used to disarm, incapacitate, and yes, kill if the situation calls for it, you are not supposed to kill/injure someone on purpose, unless again, there is no other way. There is NO way to survive 'Emerald Lightning'

There is no way to survive a lightsabre to the head. Again, difference, please?

You CANNOT classify a force power as evil just because it kills- you have top get your head around that. Force pushing someone off a balcony kills, does that make it Dark Side?

ok, lets get itn stait, the jedi dont go for the head, they go for the arm or leg. thier way is to disarm, ect, ect ,ect. htey dont kill a they preserve peace and thier philosophy says that everyone deserves redemption. the only exeption is when an enemy is too powerful, like dooku or sidious.

force powers can be classed, only the main ones like lighning and force valor. thier are some but they are hard to class, like push. IMO, push can be used defensively, like pushing an opponent on to the floor when hes off guard, lightning can only be used as an offensive power and is classed as a darkside power.

@blank force, i found it somewhere on SW.com.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
There is no way to survive a lightsabre to the head. Again, difference, please?

You CANNOT classify a force power as evil just because it kills- you have top get your head around that. Force pushing someone off a balcony kills, does that make it Dark Side?

That's classed as a "Grey" power, it makes it Dark if the Power is intended to Kill/Injure someone, i.e Grip, Lightning, Crush, and Light if it is only to keep the Person from dying, or protecting another, Heal, Shield, Valor etc. A Lightsaber isn't a part of the Force, as explained by Kreia, "it's a Jedi's Tool" it's not supposed to be used for Deadly Force unless neccesary, as opposed to the Dark Side Powers, which are used only for Injury/Death

Originally posted by Sith Lord Windu
ok, lets get itn stait, the jedi dont go for the head, they go for the arm or leg. thier way is to disarm, ect, ect ,ect. htey dont kill a they preserve peace and thier philosophy says that everyone deserves redemption. the only exeption is when an enemy is too powerful, like dooku or sidious.

force powers can be classed, only the main ones like lighning and force valor. thier are some but they are hard to class, like push. IMO, push can be used defensively, like pushing an opponent on to the floor when hes off guard, lightning can only be used as an offensive power and is classed as a darkside power.

@blank force, i found it somewhere on SW.com.

Don't be ridiculous- a lightsabre duel is a fatal contest. Jedi go for as many killing strokes as Sith. You go into a fight half-assed, you will lose. If you are in a lethal fight with a foe and you can get the head, you go for the damn head, else you are an idiot and you will die. What kind of protector are you then?

Jedi carry a weapon designed to kill, NOT a subdual device. They will fight and they will kill, if necessary, in order to protect the Republic, just like any law enforcer.

Jedi also can kill with Force pushes, and throwing their sabre with the Force, and any such thing. This is not Dark Side, and there is no such damn thing as 'Grey' in the Force.

'Crush' is not even a distinct power. it is just using the Force to pinch something, which is no different, ultimately, from using it to lift or throw something.

Again, you absolutely CANNOT classify something as evil because it is fatal. Jedi use fatal things for good, though they won't unless they have to.

Just because you use the Force to kill, that doesn't make it any more innately evil than from using a lightsabre, a gun, or even your bare hands. They are morally equivalent.

No power is 'Dark Side' simply because it kills. That is not a qualification, and any source saying so is in contradiction to how the powers are used in the films.

There is a SINGLE qualifcation for something being the Dark Side. And that is that it uses the damn Dark Side! That it uses your emotions, and is used selfishly and for your own gain. That is the Daek Side. Killing is irrelevant. You can kill in the name of good, and Jedi very often do.

If something was on the Dark Side because it can cause injury and death, then every single Jedi would be on the Dark Side, because they are all trained to kill.

When QGJ and Obi-Wan Pushed at droids in TPM, they were using the Force as a weapon- and that the targets were droids was irrelevant, and aisde from anything else it was clearly something they had often done before, and it would not be to droids. When Anakin did it to Geonosians, it was using the Force as a weapon. When Jedi did it to Geonosians in the arena, it was using the Force as a weapon. When Yoda did it to Palpatine, it was using it as a weapon, and it was powerful enough to kill.

Think again.

thank you

Doesn't get any more obvious than that. I'm not even going to quote myself again.

I will say, though, that this perception of powers being Light or Dark comes from video games like Jedi Outcast and KOTOR.

Well, KOTOR invented the Force power 'Destroy Droid' which goes to show how seriously people should take that.

Actually it first appeared in DLOTS, KotOT just gave it a lame name.

DLOTS is a KOTOR game. 😛

lol, no I mean the dark horse comic named Dark Lords of the Sith.

Originally posted by Darth Grathius
Also as mentioned in novel "Traitor" Jacen learns that there is no dark side of the force if you choose to use a force shield (a generally claimed "light side" power) to prevent air from getting to an enemy, you are choosing to be immoral. The force is simply a tool, you can't call a screwdriver evil just because it is easier to screw nails than a wrench. It is not the force that is evil, simply the force user.

He's right. The force is a tool. Not good nor evil.