I always felt that AOTC should have opened with Dooku arriving on Geonosis to check up on the Separatist army to prepare for a major take-over with all these great econimical powers of the universe: techno union, trade federation, banking guild etc... That way we could at leats have gotten some incling what was going on with that weird assasination attempt and it would have overshadowed the whole vague AOTC narrative. Also it would have driven the whole film towards the confrontation with this bad guy. Just like TPM had, and especially all the OT had.
I like the shock and awe opening as it is, but we should've seen Dooku immediately after (or after the meeting in Palpatines office).
I still think a passing role in TPM would have been advantageuos. Intoducing Anakin to Dooku at the temple, Qui-Gon and Dooku have a short private converstation about the state of the republic...
MUCH better.
The opening for Clones was gorgeous!! It was Lucas and his team saying..."We gotta grab people's attention with a kick-ass shot...Look what we can do!"
And you call that lame?...that's hilarious.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing watching that royal starship land (along with the sound)...and that explosion...lame????
I'm guessing you don't know a lot about effects... (you do realize that stuff isn't really there right??? That it came out of nothing...from computer software...and now it actually looks real...). That 2 or so minutes is a huge accomplishment my friend.
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I don't watch movies to see their technical accomplishments, I watch them for their story and characters, both of which completely sucked in AOTC..
Oh, that's a such an idealistic stance...and at the core of it I think it just isn't true...look at movies like Ong-Bak, or Jackass, or Transporter II, or Distric B13.
Every moviegoer has guilty pleasures...at its WORST, some people just watch movies because a certain good looking or popular actor/actress is in it...(which is something I cannot comprehend, but boy it happens a lot...especially in the US/Hollywood)...and the films are marketed for just that.
Don't think for a second that half the movies that are made (and get a studio willing to back it) actually try to have a good story/ characters...they target a certain niche they know the film will try to find success in...Be it a horror audience, a comic book audience, a teen/popstar audience etc...and at the end of the day, that's totally fine with me, because now I have cool movies like Ong-Bak/Jackass/Transporter II/Distric B13, which just give you the goods and don't try to be these great character/plot driven films.
When it comes to story/characters Star Wars is crap dude...didn't you notice that seven years ago??? It's the butt of all jokes!!! Are you kidding me?
And that's why I like AOTC...the story/characters are so crap, you can completely write them off and just enjoy what's on the screen...a really high budget cartoon.
...and BTW, your quote doesn't counter anything I said about the effects shot at the beginning, or even support what the other dude said about it being lame...so I really don't understand why you posted it. 😕
I'm such a hard-ass...forgive me! 😄
Originally posted by queeq
The shock? Of that lame explosion? Well, I dunno... even TPM had a better opening than that. Must be the worst of the saga...
I'd tend to agree...
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I don't watch movies to see their technical accomplishments, I watch them for their story and characters, both of which completely sucked in AOTC..
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aotc clones' opening was just cgi... the opening to anh was just as exciting if not more so... and provided plenty of eye candy...
and it was done with models, not a bit of cgi... 😛
star wars is about eye candy as much as it is a great story and wonderful characters...
it has a reputation (well, the ot did anyway) to uphold... aotc did nothing to help that reputation...
and transporter 2 sucked... 😛
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESYou argued, in response to the opening shot of AOTC being lame, that it was a huge accomplishment. I was merely saying that that doesn't have anything to do with it (in my opinion).
...and BTW, your quote doesn't counter anything I said about the effects shot at the beginning, or even support what the other dude said about it being lame...so I really don't understand why you posted it. 😕
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESOf course... I just have no guilty pleasures that are based on a film's technical worth. I'll watch a movie for an actor, for a director, for an action sequence... but a film's technical integrity is something completely different. I saw Ong Bak because I thought the action sequences looked cool. Not because I thought the effort that would have gone into making them was amazing, or because I thought it would be technically brilliant.
Oh, that's a such an idealistic stance...and at the core of it I think it just isn't true...look at movies like Ong-Bak, or Jackass, or Transporter II, or Distric B13.Every moviegoer has guilty pleasures...at its WORST, some people just watch movies because a certain good looking or popular actor/actress is in it...(which is something I cannot comprehend, but boy it happens a lot...especially in the US/Hollywood)...and the films are marketed for just that.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESWho's arguing against that? Hence the reason half the movies that are made are rubbish... At any rate, that's not even my point. I love a good genre movie. But you never get a film that strives only to be technically good (not a film that's any good anyway)... that's absurd.
Don't think for a second that half the movies that are made (and get a studio willing to back it) actually try to have a good story/ characters...they target a certain niche they know the film will try to find success in...Be it a horror audience, a comic book audience, a teen/popstar audience etc...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESI agree. Although District B13 was very bleh.
and at the end of the day, that's totally fine with me, because now I have cool movies like Ong-Bak/Jackass/Transporter II/Distric B13, which just give you the goods and don't try to be these great character/plot driven films.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESNo, and no.
When it comes to story/characters Star Wars is crap dude...didn't you notice that seven years ago??? It's the butt of all jokes!!! Are you kidding me?
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESPrecisely the reason I hate it.
And that's why I like AOTC...the story/characters are so crap, you can completely write them off and just enjoy what's on the screen...a really high budget cartoon.
But yeah, you're right... I don't just see movies for their story or characters. I've contradicted myself on that point probably a half dozen times in this post alone. That is an idealistic thing to say... Movies can be great purely by disregarding both of those (Snakes on a Plane). These just aren't those types of movies. And in that regard, with respect to the OT (an even the other PT films), AOTC was an atrocity.
A mive with some decent character development and story just makes it last more. I like effects, I like how they bring you into another world, but that world only matters if you get hooked by a story.
I kinda like EPIIIBITES's look on the PT: crappy story, great cartoons. I might adopt that attitude the next time I watch AOTC.... then I can just sit down and enjoy it.
Good points DeVi| D0do...I just pounced on Queeq simply 'cause he said that explosion was lame...i've seen lame explosions in movies...that one ain't one!
Personally though, I know when I check out The Day After Tomorrow, or Alien vs. Predator, or the Final Fantasy movies, or Eight Legged Creeps, I'm not expecting good characters/story... because the filmakers aren't expecting people to come see that in their films, and they don't put a lot of work into it. The price of admission is so that you can turn your brain off and just see cool stuff.
And it's funny how Lucas and co. actually TRY to have good characters/story and fail so miserably...
...and dude, Star Wars IS the butt of all jokes, and if you or any others here don't realizse that then you better surround yourself with new friends, make new contacts, whatever...
...I hope nobody here for a second mistakes the PTs immense popularity as being a result of it's accomplishments as films!