I have commented about keeping a character using the late CGI for this kind of problem. Why do people need different versions of Superman and What is the confusion from character to actor's realism? We are going to have the movies with Routh as leading role...why another image! TV shows are part of history...what made the evolution and in time it belongs (the past) the same thing with comics. Things can be many and others only single subjects.
Originally posted by chase el
And pr1983 im done arguing with you. We could argue all day who is right and who is wrong but neither one of us are right. You definately need to get a life and stop following me around topic to topic (becuase you've quoted me on almost every topic ive posted anything on) for real.
Umm, no... this is the superman forum, there are what, five or six active threads? If you don't want people to reply, then don't post, simple as that...
and lets be clear about ONE thing... i am not following you around, if i go into a thread and see a post i don't agree with, i reply, simple as that... its nothing personal against you at all, so stop flattering yourself... its a superman forum, i'm a superman fan, so im bound to read any active thread...
We are all entitled to our opinions and we are supposed to comment on our own opinions not quote EVERY little sentence someone else writes.
All of your sentences were seperate points, i was replying to each... and i broke them up so they'd be easier to read for everyone (including you)
Maybe once or twice, but not EVERY post i make. Its getting old.
As i said, if you don't want people to reply or disagree with you, don't post...
And a dark day in Superman history? lol ok... Have you seen any of my writings? Ive been a die hard Superman fan since I've been 5 and its my dream to write it one day. You've never even seen me write so how could you say something so uneducated. Check out my work on the Batman Forums or on SuperHeroHype.com/FanStories before you actually discredit my work. Becuase i have yet to get negative feedback and thats why DC employed me. Dont be naive. Stop bothering me thank you
Your opinion alone on what makes a good superman are what worries me... its an EDUCATED guess given what you've posted so far... ive also been reading superman since i was 5, so please dont even attempt to play that card with me... and if you'd read superman since you were 5 you'd have known who ed mcguinness was... bothering you? your opinions on superman have brought me close to tears on several occasions...
and i doubt DC comics (or any comics company) would employ anyone based on a few fanfics put online... and even if they did, it'd have to be the best damned stuff they'd ever read...
Clive Owen would make a crap Superman. Welling is alright for what he does, teen drama, but wouldn't cut it as Superman on the big screen. Likewise Cain was good for what he did, slightly campy TV series (on a side note Teri Hatcher and Margot Kidder kick the crap out of Kate Bosworth).
Originally posted by chase elYou need to take a chill pill. Try ketamine.
And pr1983 im done arguing with you. We could argue all day who is right and who is wrong but neither one of us are right. You definately need to get a life and stop following me around topic to topic (becuase you've quoted me on almost every topic ive posted anything on) for real. We are all entitled to our opinions and we are supposed to comment on our own opinions not quote EVERY little sentence someone else writes. Maybe once or twice, but not EVERY post i make. Its getting old. And a dark day in Superman history? lol ok... Have you seen any of my writings? Ive been a die hard Superman fan since I've been 5 and its my dream to write it one day. You've never even seen me write so how could you say something so uneducated. Check out my work on the Batman Forums or on SuperHeroHype.com/FanStories before you actually discredit my work. Becuase i have yet to get negative feedback and thats why DC employed me. Dont be naive. Stop bothering me thank you
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Clive Owen would make a crap Superman. Welling is alright for what he does, teen drama, but wouldn't cut it as Superman on the big screen. Likewise Cain was good for what he did, slightly campy TV series (on a side note Teri Hatcher and Margot Kidder kick the crap out of Kate Bosworth).You need to take a chill pill. Try ketamine.
i didnt realize we had M.D.s on this website
but thanx for the imput. I definately agree with you on the Lois Lane. She was one of the characters that annoyed me in the new Movie. I really like Tom Welling as Superman for some reason but i do see your point as he is just a teen icon. But remember even Alex Ross thought he was a good Superman as he drew several pictures as Welling being Superman. What i got out of this thread is that Brandon Routh was the correct and only logical choice and we should be happy to have someone like Singer at the helm. You should read Sith Sabers topic in the Forum (i beleive the topic name is "Article Comparing X3 to Superman"😉 i think that article really explains well what they are trying to do with the franchise and that Superman is in some very good hands.
Singer does drama reasonably well, but lacks the flair for action. The most apt description of Routh's portrayal is moderately competent, but still he's a poor poor destitute homeless man's Christopher Reeve. Superman Returns was "okay".
Why would one want to compare X3 to Superman when both the source material and the raison d'être of both films are so different. It is as they say proverbially comparing apples to oranges.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Singer does drama reasonably well, but lacks the flair for action. The most apt description of Routh's portrayal is moderately competent, but still he's a poor poor destitute homeless man's Christopher Reeve. Superman Returns was "okay".Why would one want to compare X3 to Superman when both the source material and the raison d'être of both films are so different. It is as they say proverbially comparing apples to oranges.
the article doesnt compare the movies... but the sales part of it. But x3 was successful due to the fact of how good the first 2 were and the fact that it was the end of a trilogy. It was directed so-so and some parts of it were soooooooooooo bad and disapointing. But Superman Returns i really enjoyed ALOT.
The difference being that Ratner, while I'm no big fan of his work, came on board with very little time for pre-production, and a lacklustre script - with too many ideas poorly executed, and the FOX executive Tom Rothman et al, showed a high disdain for the franchise despite the amount of money it was bringing in and rushed it's production rather than allowing time for a quality film to be made. If the films had been produced by Sony Pictures and given the amount of backing from the higher ups that the Spider-Man pictures have the quality of the films would have been much higher. You're right in that the film had a purpose the concluding chapter of a trilogy.
Singer had a decade of preproduction to pull from, as well as ample time of his own, a huge budget, a large fanbase both cinematically and in terms of source material, a huge amount of hype, and yet financially it's still a relative failure. The script had one major idea, relatively rehashed and poorly executed. Superman is returning - something that in itself is pretty interesting - but was written rather ho-hum. SR was a mildly entertaining, while at the same time somewhat tedious, film experience which was poorly marketed and scheduled. And if one objectively looks at it, it's difficult to discern the film's "purpose".
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The difference being that Ratner, while I'm no big fan of his work, came on board with very little time for pre-production, and a lacklustre script - with too many ideas poorly executed, and the FOX executive Tom Rothman et al, showed a high disdain for the franchise despite the amount of money it was bringing in and rushed it's production rather than allowing time for a quality film to be made. If the films had been produced by Sony Pictures and given the amount of backing from the higher ups that the Spider-Man pictures have the quality of the films would have been much higher. You're right in that the film had a purpose the concluding chapter of a trilogy.Singer had a decade of preproduction to pull from, as well as ample time of his own, a huge budget, a large fanbase both cinematically and in terms of source material, a huge amount of hype, and yet financially it's still a relative failure. The script had one major idea, relatively rehashed and poorly executed. Superman is returning - something that in itself is pretty interesting - but was written rather ho-hum. SR was a mildly entertaining, while at the same time somewhat tedious, film experience which was poorly marketed and scheduled. And if one objectively looks at it, it's difficult to discern the film's "purpose".
very true the film did suffer greatly by the slow storyline (which is almost very like Birthright in terms of Kryptonian Technology), action wise it sucked but cinematically I thought it was simply awesome. Rattner didnt have alot of time but he had a script to use, a developed cast, and two films already setting it up. That movie wasn't his to direct it was really Singer's. Lucky for Rattner he didnt have to do too much. But the success of X3 will never be a testament to his part in the movie...sucks for him... but its really to the way Bryan Singer set it up (and he basically wrote X3). Rattner, i must say, did do a great job managing the direction of the movie... but he was basically given the movie 75% complete. That final Wolverine scene is my favorite SuperHero moment EVER though... Two very different movies but I dont think there is really a question on which movie was better. I cant wait to see what Bryan Singer does next to tell you the truth.
and i cant wait for the Magneto Movie!
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Singer does drama reasonably well, but lacks the flair for action. The most apt description of Routh's portrayal is moderately competent, but still he's a poor poor destitute homeless man's Christopher Reeve. Superman Returns was "okay".Why would one want to compare X3 to Superman when both the source material and the raison d'être of both films are so different. It is as they say proverbially comparing apples to oranges.
Couldn't agree more...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😬 The script was the death knell of X3... and the Wolverine scene was ridiculous and completely spit on the source material relationship of Cyclops and Jean, punched it in the gut and repeatedly kicked it in the balls while it lay on the ground.
Yeah... though Cyclops was never gonna get some repsect due to his being Logan's rival...