Beyonder vs God.

Pre Retcon Beyonder, more powerful than anyone inside the multiverse.

Vs

God - the creator of all things and beyond.

Originally posted by Juntai
Pre Retcon Beyonder, more powerful than anyone inside the multiverse.

Vs

God - the creator of all things and beyond.

Originally posted by Juntai
Pre Retcon Beyonder, more powerful than anyone inside the multiverse.

Vs

God - the creator of all things and beyond.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
... I think I speak for everyone when I say; you ****** ******* *** ****** ******* ****

1, Get it through your thick skull and into that little brain of yours.
-- Beyonder wasent a part of the Marvel Multi-verse.
Still he invaded MU Multiverse, and become all that was inside it, in other words God.
He had the power of the writers, which also makes him God.
But that's not quite it. He could do the same thing to DC Multi-verse acording to Pre-ret Beyonder logic.

And he would be able to take down TOAA, Presence and the Great Evil Beast, with just a smal portion of his power.
The Marvel Multiverse dint mean anything to Beyonder.
So woudlent DC.

Hypothetically? I don't believe in God. In any gods actually, that would make a stalemate, since neither of the combatants exists.

There is no way to beat god.

Beyonder wins with a whim.

Originally posted by Tshern
Hypothetically? I don't believe in God. In any gods actually, that would make a stalemate, since neither of the combatants exists.

Beyonder vs The Presence, TOAA, Yahweh.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'll rephrase so as not to offend the Athiests and other unGodly religions.

Beyonder vs The Presence, TOAA, Yahweh.

Originally posted by galan7777777
but he didnt create all things beyond, beyonder created himself from nothing

Speculation. All that was ever revealed about Beyonder was that he was all that was in an otherdimensional universe, a universe that lay beyond marvels multiverse. Never was it stated that he created himself. Beyonder is a character of Marvel creation, therefore he derives from Marvels supreme being, whoever that maybe.

I wasn't really offended. Though I don't actually like some religions, including Christianity, I have nothing against the people practicing religions. Many of them actually have very, very good points and ideas.

Good thread, by the way. I guess it all comes down to the question whether The Presence/TOAA/someone equal has created everything that exists outside the multiverse. If he has, then obviously he wins, but if he hasn't, then Beyonder has a shot.

Edit: Did anyone actually understand my point?

Originally posted by Tshern
Hypothetically? I don't believe in God. In any gods actually, that would make a stalemate, since neither of the combatants exists.

Whether you believe in a god or not is irrelevant to this debate. You know the concept of a supreme being, you know the nature of a supreme being and Beyonder was not one. Debate with that in mind.

The beyonder no matter what these idiots say, was still a creation of marvel and there for was a part of the MU. all this bullshit about him being from out side of the Mu and coming and taking over is utter foolishbull crap. he was created by a marvel writer and there for was a marvel u character. where he was from inside THIER universe or the multiverse, he was still part of THIER multiverse. he is not part of the DC multiverse and there for would not be able to usurp his will over the Presence. The beyonder would have to be a joint ventrue between dc and marvel, and be part of the OMNIVERSE that is all things comics, and they would have to then decide that he was greater than the presence. That will never happen. The Beyonder simply is outclassed here. Hell The 5th dimension Imps are from outside the multiverse, does that make them beyond God? The entire DCU multiverse was all 3 dimensional. The imps weren't even affected by crisis. So are they beyond the multiverse like the beyonder? are they above God? Nope. Niether is the beyonder. You mavel beyonder cultist need to get urselves a camp and live there and set it on fire.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation. All that was ever revealed about Beyonder was that he was all that was in an otherdimensional universe, a universe that lay beyond marvels multiverse. Never was it stated that he created himself. Beyonder is a character of Marvel creation, therefore he derives from Marvels supreme being, whoever that maybe.

We let the wise guys speak:

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Classic Beyonder would take this ALONE:

1)[b]Possess the power of the comic book writers- Stan Lee himself said that Classic Beyonder was supposed to represent the power the Writers had over the characters, the universes, the reality itself,etc. The ability to create and erase or change the "story" to any way he wants it to be.

2)Has millions of times the power of the Marvel Multiverse- Does this need any further explanations?

3)Has Infinite Reality Warping Ability- more flexible than IG or even HOTU.

4)Has the Absolute Ability to VIOLATE multiverses- thier laws, thier concepts, thier order....means NOTHING to Classic Beyonder. The Presence, TOAA.....there laws and power means nothing to Classic Beyonder, who is the embodyment of Absolute Power itself.

Guys be realistic. The Classic Beyonder could turn The Great Evil Beast into toilet paper if he wanted to. WHY? Because the Great Evil Beast is a factual entity that belongs to DC/Vertigo.....it is a SERIOUS construct of that entire existance.

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Classic Beyonder exceeds existance, he exceeds seriousness. HE is like a child with the power to rewrite the comic book however the hell he wanted to. He can VIOLATE DC/Vertigo's existance the way he did Marvel's.

Classic Beyonder is the ultamate in uber cheesy powerful characters, and he is basically unbeatable...unless he WANTED to be beaten. He'd definately destroy, erase, duplicate, shit on, copy, eat, swallow, WHATEVER he wanted to do...to the GEB....and with Thanos with HOTU?????That's just overkill ! [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The beyonder no matter what these idiots say, was still a creation of marvel and there for was a part of the MU. all this bullshit about him being from out side of the Mu and coming and taking over is utter foolishbull crap. he was created by a marvel writer and there for was a marvel u character. where he was from inside THIER universe or the multiverse, he was still part of THIER multiverse. he is not part of the DC multiverse and there for would not be able to usurp his will over the Presence. The beyonder would have to be a joint ventrue between dc and marvel, and be part of the OMNIVERSE that is all things comics, and they would have to then decide that he was greater than the presence. That will never happen. The Beyonder simply is outclassed here. Hell The 5th dimension Imps are from outside the multiverse, does that make them beyond God? The entire DCU multiverse was all 3 dimensional. The imps weren't even affected by crisis. So are they beyond the multiverse like the beyonder? are they above God? Nope. Niether is the beyonder. You mavel beyonder cultist need to get urselves a camp and live there and set it on fire.

There is nothing above God.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whether you believe in a god or not is irrelevant to this debate. You know the concept of a supreme being, you know the nature of a supreme being and Beyonder was not one. Debate with that in mind.

Very much possible. I posted my opinion on the match in my previous post, but to make it clear, I'm leaning towards the supreme being. But yeah, there's still one question that hasn't been answered: did God create everything outside the multiverse? Food for thought, not only in this debate, but I like philosophical discussions 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation. All that was ever revealed about Beyonder was that he was all that was in an otherdimensional universe, a universe that lay beyond marvels multiverse. Never was it stated that he created himself. Beyonder is a character of Marvel creation, therefore he derives from Marvels supreme being, whoever that maybe.

Originally posted by Tshern
I wasn't really offended. Though I don't actually like some religions, including Christianity, I have nothing against the people practicing religions. Many of them actually have very, very good points and ideas.

Good thread, by the way. I guess it all comes down to the question whether The Presence/TOAA/someone equal has created everything that exists outside the multiverse. If he has, then obviously he wins, but if he hasn't, then Beyonder has a shot.

Edit: Did anyone actually understand my point?

Yahweh of Vertigo[who some accept as being the same being as Presence. while others don't. As sometimes the stories fit and sometimes they.. don't.. anyways.. whichever you see..], is also depicted much the same as all creation extends outwards from himself.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He was the sum of everything Beyond.
So he's basicly the Beyond realm on 2 legs.