Beyonder vs God.

Originally posted by Tshern
Very much possible. I posted my opinion on the match in my previous post, but to make it clear, I'm leaning towards the supreme being. But yeah, there's still one question that hasn't been answered: did God create everything outside the multiverse? Food for thought, not only in this debate, but I like philosophical discussions 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The beyonder no matter what these idiots say, was still a creation of marvel and there for was a part of the MU. all this bullshit about him being from out side of the Mu and coming and taking over is utter foolishbull crap. he was created by a marvel writer and there for was a marvel u character. where he was from inside THIER universe or the multiverse, he was still part of THIER multiverse. he is not part of the DC multiverse and there for would not be able to usurp his will over the Presence. The beyonder would have to be a joint ventrue between dc and marvel, and be part of the OMNIVERSE that is all things comics, and they would have to then decide that he was greater than the presence. That will never happen. The Beyonder simply is outclassed here. Hell The 5th dimension Imps are from outside the multiverse, does that make them beyond God? The entire DCU multiverse was all 3 dimensional. The imps weren't even affected by crisis. So are they beyond the multiverse like the beyonder? are they above God? Nope. Niether is the beyonder. You mavel beyonder cultist need to get urselves a camp and live there and set it on fire.

Originally posted by Juntai
But whoever Marvel's 'creator' is, created not only the multiverse, but everything beyond it, is what he's saying. Everything has a point of origin, save The Supreme Being.

Originally posted by galan7777777
go to the first panel on this respect thread http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html and also if your refering to TOAA being stan lee/jack kirby then obviously they could win because they are marvels creators, but if we are talking about a comic book character, then how would they win?

This thread is referring to God. Marvels supreme being. As a supreme being everything within marvel creation derives from it. Everything within Marvel creation is OF this supreme being.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This thread is referring to God. Marvels supreme being. As a supreme being everything within marvel creation derives from it. Everything within Marvel creation is OF this supreme being.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No Beyonder was stated to not be a part of the Marvel Multiverse in the begining you twit. You don't know a shit about him, still you stay here and speculate about his powers. -- SHAME ON YOU!

Your the twit, as long as the beyonder showed up on Marvel's paper, he was a creation of marvel's supreme being. PERIOD!! He didn't create himself. SOmeone thought him up. They worked at marvel. He is there for part of the MU. PERIOD.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This thread is referring to God. Marvels supreme being. As a supreme being everything within marvel creation derives from it. Everything within Marvel creation is OF this supreme being.

Again Read before continiue bullshitting.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Classic Beyonder would take this ALONE:

1)[b]Possess the power of the comic book writers- Stan Lee himself said that Classic Beyonder was supposed to represent the power the Writers had over the characters, the universes, the reality itself,etc. The ability to create and erase or change the "story" to any way he wants it to be.

2)Has millions of times the power of the Marvel Multiverse- Does this need any further explanations?

3)Has Infinite Reality Warping Ability- more flexible than IG or even HOTU.

4)Has the Absolute Ability to VIOLATE multiverses- thier laws, thier concepts, thier order....means NOTHING to Classic Beyonder. The Presence, TOAA.....there laws and power means nothing to Classic Beyonder, who is the embodyment of Absolute Power itself.

Guys be realistic. The Classic Beyonder could turn The Great Evil Beast into toilet paper if he wanted to. WHY? Because the Great Evil Beast is a factual entity that belongs to DC/Vertigo.....it is a SERIOUS construct of that entire existance.

Classic Beyonder exceeds existance, he exceeds seriousness. HE is like a child with the power to rewrite the comic book however the hell he wanted to. He can VIOLATE DC/Vertigo's existance the way he did Marvel's.

Classic Beyonder is the ultamate in uber cheesy powerful characters, and he is basically unbeatable...unless he WANTED to be beaten. He'd definately destroy, erase, duplicate, shit on, copy, eat, swallow, WHATEVER he wanted to do...to the GEB....and with Thanos with HOTU?????That's just overkill ! [/B]

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again Read before continiue bullshitting.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes but Marvel have no leagal right to say, this being can destroy the DC multiverse.
That's why he was retconned, because he could.

Originally posted by Tshern
Very much possible. I posted my opinion on the match in my previous post, but to make it clear, I'm leaning towards the supreme being. But yeah, there's still one question that hasn't been answered: did God create everything outside the multiverse? Food for thought, not only in this debate, but I like philosophical discussions 🙂

The Marvel multiverse isnt all there is within Marvel creation. Marvel creation also features megaverses, which are otherdimensional universes that while not sharing the cosmology and structure of those found within the main marvel multiverse, they are more closely connected to marvels multiverse, than they are other multiverses, hence such universes and their inhabitants being featured within a marvel comic. The New Universe is a megaverse as is the Beyond Realm. All that is within a marvel comic book is OF Marvels supreme being.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your the twit, as long as the beyonder showed up on Marvel's paper, he was a creation of marvel's supreme being. PERIOD!! He didn't create himself. SOmeone thought him up. They worked at marvel. He is there for part of the MU. PERIOD.

1 Multiverse + 1 Multiverse = 2 Multiverses

Beyonder = Million Multiverses (under limmitations)

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again Read before continiue bullshitting.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
DC vs Marvel #1
They were the God's of both Multiveres, they were the sum of everything in their Multiverse, they were everything withing the multiveres.

1 Multiverse + 1 Multiverse = 2 Multiverses

Beyonder = Million Multiverses (under limmitations)

Nor are they the creators of only a multiverse.

DC's Presence created everything in DC comics, multiverse and beyond.
Yahweh is the same for Vertigo.

Whoever is truly Marvel's Supreme being, is much the same.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Presence is stated to be the sum of all.

Yahweh of Vertigo[who some accept as being the same being as Presence. while others don't. As sometimes the stories fit and sometimes they.. don't.. anyways.. whichever you see..], is also depicted much the same as all creation extends outwards from himself.

Haven't seen any panels stating that, but you have credibility in my eyes, you've showed your knowledge (especially on DC) many times. And since it has been stated, I say The Presence wins. Since nothing is outside creation, because everything has to be created somehow, there is no other possibility than The Presence.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes but Marvel have no leagal right to say, this being can destroy the DC multiverse.
That's why he was retconned, because he could.

What on earth are you talking about? Of course marvel has a right to say that all within marvel creation is of marvels supreme being. The Beyonder is a Marvel comic character, he was not the supreme being, before he took a physical form he was a megaverse and therefore derivative of marvels supreme being.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, because Beyonder while powerful, was not infallible nor omniscient.

Ops did the Beyonder said he was Omnisient?
Your out.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Brothers weren't The Presence and Marvel's creator.

Nor are they the creators of only a multiverse.

DC's Presence created everything in DC comics, multiverse and beyond.
Yahweh is the same for Vertigo.

Whoever is truly Marvel's Supreme being, is much the same.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Brothers weren't The Presence and Marvel's creator.

Nor are they the creators of only a multiverse.

DC's Presence created everything in DC comics, multiverse and beyond.
Yahweh is the same for Vertigo.

Whoever is truly Marvel's Supreme being, is much the same.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Are we talking TOAA as the writer or TOAA the sumn of everything in Marvel?
Because Beyonder's power cannot be remade. It would be illeagal.
Therefore he cannot be replaced.

Animal Man and Grant Morrison.

"Are you God?"

"No, not God.. I'm just your writer."