What has God done for you? (Christians only!)

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Maybe man created god, therefore, he is not perfect, and nether are we. 😉

B...b..b...but he is without error!!!!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you don't agree with his main point?

No, I think what he was getting at is that its good to be charitable...or maybe that when our lives are comfortable we sometimes forget about God...

Originally posted by llagrok
Sure it does.

God's incapable of error and he created man. How can anything we do be wrong?

Maybe he created man and allowed them the ability to make error...

I can be perfect and without error but still make a clock that doesn't work...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Maybe he created man and allowed them the ability to make error...

I can be perfect and without error but still make a clock that doesn't work...

Sure, if you purposely make the clock to fail.

Which would mean that God is pretty sick.

Originally posted by llagrok
Sure, if you purposely make the clock to fail.

Which would mean that God is pretty sick.

What if I intentionally made a clock that had the ability to fail, it wasn't guaranteed- but it could happen...(free will).

Originally posted by llagrok
Sure it does.

God's incapable of error and he created man. How can anything we do be wrong?

That doesn't follow logically.

I can think. I made a piece of pottery. My ability to think is not imparted to the pottery.

Originally posted by llagrok
B...b..b...but he is without error!!!!

But would you agree that humans are not without error?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't follow logically.

I can think. I made a piece of pottery. My ability to think is not imparted to the pottery.

😆 😆 😆

😐

Play Salieri.

Let me see, what has God done for me?

Well it started off when I was pretty young (well when I was born actually) he made me without any deformations, no diseases, a loving mother, an incredible older brother, we never had loads of cash, but that didn't stop us from having great times.

He gave me a strong mind, with the ability to be stern when the time came, and to be equally gentle when needed.

The mind he gave me helped me to differentiate between what is real and what is not.

I thank him for the air that I breathe today.

I thank him for every day, that I can get into something new.

As I grew up I often saw people that suffered from mental conditions that lead them to believe that they had invisible friends, and they would have conversations with these friends.. so I thank him for my mind. because I could have easilly been created that way as well.

I thank him for my wife, she is very beautiful, inside and out, and the ability to have children with her when we choose to.

I thank him for all of the friends that have come and gone, because they all taught me how to be a man, and stand for the ideals that I have come to believe in.

I thank him for all of the women that cheated on me, because now I can see the signs.

I thank him for giving me the opportunity to cheat on a woman, that loved me more than she loved herself, because I learned how to appreciate a good woman.

There are so many things that I can thank him for, but I can't quite count all of the ways.

My God's name is Jesus.

So thank you Jesus for being my closest friend, mentor, and father.

Thank you!

Ask not, what your God has done for you. Ask what you can do for your God!

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
What if I intentionally made a clock that had the ability to fail, it wasn't guaranteed- but it could happen...(free will).

Which would be kind of sick.

If God made man with the ability to become evil and then judges them later if they do become evil people.

wait captain stoic, was that comedy or are you actually serious?!?!?!?!?!

if god INTENTIONALLY gave man the ability to do bad then he is responsible in part for any bad that his creation does.

Originally posted by llagrok
Sure, if you purposely make the clock to fail.

Which would mean that God is pretty sick.

Ask yourself can you fathom yourself being an omnipotent being, and not just the Bruce Almighty approach of I can do cool things now.

I mean in theory you could do anything people tell you can not do.So can you picture yourself doing those things that you think God can not do?

I've always found when you try to make a claim that must involve God being real to disprove it. IE if he is real then he can not do this. Then the initial assumption of God is real pretty much screws over the rest of the argument. Because if God were real then it is beyond our understanding to understand why he can do something we can not fathom to happen.

Originally posted by Newjak
Or it could be God is beyond our understanding as beings. Which an omnipotent being would be.

Ask yourself can you fathom yourself being an omnipotent being, and not just the Bruce Almighty approach of I can do cool things now.

I mean in theory you could do anything people tell you can not do.So can you picture yourself doing those things that you think God can not do?

I've always found when you try to make a claim that must involve God being real to disprove it. IE if he is real then he can not do this. Then the initial assumption of God is real pretty much screws over the rest of the argument. Because if God were real then it is beyond our understanding to understand why he can do something we can not fathom to happen.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's one approach, but that's just if the initial assumption is that God is omnipotent. The God of the bible might on the other hand, just be a being that's very powerful, but still bound by similar laws as ours.

Therefore you assume from the get go that you believe God is not Omnipotent. Therefore he can not do everything. So then if you believe in such a way why do you need to disprove his omnipotence when you do not think he has it to begin with. 😛

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's one approach, but that's just if the initial assumption is that God is omnipotent. The God of the bible might on the other hand, just be a being that's very powerful, but still bound by similar laws as ours.

Does Omnipotent mean:

You can do anything.

Or

You can do all that is possible.

?

Originally posted by Newjak
In which case it is a battle of your particular take on the written version of God.

Therefore you assume from the get go that you believe God is not Omnipotent. Therefore he can not do everything. So then if you believe in such a way why do you need to disprove his omnipotence when you do not think he has it to begin with. 😛

True enough. I suppose it's because people feel the need to disprove God, personally I feel that omnipotence is so beyond our grasp on anything, it makes little sense to argue about it.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Does Omnipotent mean:

You can do anything.

Or

You can do all that is possible.

?

It means there are no limits. So possibility shouldn't play a role.

I mean, I can do all that is possible to me, so am I omnipotent in that respect? And what decides what is possible and what isn't.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It means there are no limits. So possibility shouldn't play a role.

I mean, I can do all that is possible to me, so am I omnipotent in that respect? And what decides what is possible and what isn't.

Well, I was hinting at the Platonic view...

"no matter how good the swordmaker, he is always restricted by the material with which he makes his sword" or something like that...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Well, I was hinting at the Platonic view...

"no matter how good the swordmaker, he is always restricted by the material with which he makes his sword" or something like that...

But a Omnipotent swordmaker would not be restricted by the material with which he makes his sword.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But a Omnipotent swordmaker would [B]not be restricted by the material with which he makes his sword. [/B]

Well he would, because he can do absolutely everything that can be done- he can't do things that cannot be done though...