Originally posted by champion
There is proof in the roman records of crusifiction that he was crucified and there are no bones because he rose from the dead the records even state where he was burried
See...this is funny...becuase its a lie.
Crucifiction, while common, was a very extreme form of Roman capitol punishment. It was not often used and record swere not often kept.
There is no record of Jesus' existance.
Originally posted by Nellinator
The Bible more about money and prosperity than the afterlife. God promises those who obey Him will prosper."He who pursues righteousness and love finds life and prosperity and honour." Proverbs 21:21
"Then the Lord your God will make you most prosperous in all the works of your hands." Deuteronomy 30:9
"Then you will be prosperous and successful" Joshua 1:8
"A generous man will prosper" Proverbs 11:25
"He who trusts in the Lord will prosper" Proverbs 28:25
"But diligent hands bring wealth" Proverbs 10:4
"The Lord does not let the righteous go hungry" Proverbs 10:3
"Humility and the fear of the Lord bring wealth and honor and life" Proverbs 22:4
"Honor the Lord with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops; then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine." Proverbs: 3:9-10
and so on...
God will prosper those who are righteous and honour him with their wealth.
Yet it doesn't seem to work that way. I a person sits down and doesn't work - no money for you! I can't remember the last time I saw one of the righteous sitting out on there porch waiting for God to come by and drop off a food hamper and a rewards check. And I make plenty of money and live well, despite not having "God" - as to many, many millions of other people out there. Or billions. Likewise, there are plenty of the faithful and righteous that do go hungry.
I have no problem if people say "Thanks God. Things are good" - but it, I feel, does a profound disservice to the hard working when they get no praise for their actions, and have no value of their own achievements. They work hard, they make money, they should be able to give themselves a pat on the back, not simply attribute it all to a God whose contribution is questionable.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Prove it
Originally posted by Nellinator
I think maybe you should try asking a man who walks in the gifts of the Spirit to get yourself healed. It will work if the man has enough faith. Then tell me that God does not work miracles. Witness a live exorcism and tell that the supernatural does not exist. I don't think you would be able to.
People who are not Christian can heal people also. That miracle is not exclusive to Christianity.
Originally posted by Nellinator
You know I believe in evil spirits. They were created with the same powers, but God's is superior for where demons fail God succeeds. Why? The Bible says 'Love never fails' and 'God is love'. Therefore, '[God] never fails".
Sorry, but I don't believe in spirits, but I do believe in the power of faith. A person can believe themselves healed.
Originally posted by Nellinator
You said one could believe himself healed. But what if he was healed by the faith of another (an intercessor)? Would that mean there is something else responsible? I think so.
I don't believe that someone can heal someone else. All such healings are the healer allowing the sick person to believe and heal themselves.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I think maybe you should try asking a man who walks in the gifts of the Spirit to get yourself healed. It will work if the man has enough faith. Then tell me that God does not work miracles. Witness a live exorcism and tell that the supernatural does not exist. I don't think you would be able to.
1) Healed from what ? I enjoy my life much more than I suffer. ✅
2) What will work if who has enough Faith ?
3) I am open to the possibility of the supernatural existing. That doesn't mean I beleive in your God. He may or may not exist, I stated that many times..where have you been?
4) Ofcourse I will be able to. Even If I did see an exorcism, I can attribute it to many other possibilities...I have had such nightmarish things happen to me that were independent of any supernatural interference. I doubt an Exorcism would be that much more frightening.
Do you think an Exorcism is any more nightmarish than people who starve to death in other countries ?
Do you think it's any worse than people whove been tortured at the Christian Inquistions, or worse than the women who were tortured and burnt alive in the Protestant Salem Witch Trials ?
How about the Hate Crimes that occur all over this country and in other countries ?
Do you think it's more horrible than someone slowly withering away with A.I.D.S ?
Do you think it's any more painful to deal with than people who have reported undergoing surgery, accidently getting paralyzed but not put to sleep, so they felt the pain of the entire surgery, but couldn't move to signal that whey were awake ?
There are TONS of horrors and wondors that exist in this world. You center your entire idealogy and outlook on One Exorcism, yet if you would look to the other anamolies that exist in this world, you will see that nothing truly stands out. You will also realize that there are TONS of sources of causes for everything that happens.
To give credit to only "God and Satan" for every single event that has ever happened to anyone on this world is a limitted, cheap cop-out way of looking at things. ✅
Originally posted by NellinatorPeople without Christ also get healed....All through history...Soooooooo who's doing the healings??
I think maybe you should try asking a man who walks in the gifts of the Spirit to get yourself healed. It will work if the man has enough faith. Then tell me that God does not work miracles. Witness a live exorcism and tell that the supernatural does not exist. I don't think you would be able to.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Healed from what ? I enjoy my life much more than I suffer. ✅2) What will work if who has enough Faith ?
3) I am open to the possibility of the supernatural existing. That doesn't mean I beleive in your God. He may or may not exist, I stated that many times..where have you been?
4) Ofcourse I will be able to. Even If I did see an exorcism, I can attribute it to many other possibilities...I have had such nightmarish things happen to me that were independent of any supernatural interference. I doubt an Exorcism would be that much more frightening.
Do you think an Exorcism is any more nightmarish than people who starve to death in other countries ?
Do you think it's any worse than people whove been tortured at the Christian Inquistions, or worse than the women who were tortured and burnt alive in the Protestant Salem Witch Trials ?
How about the Hate Crimes that occur all over this country and in other countries ?
Do you think it's more horrible than someone slowly withering away with A.I.D.S ?
Do you think it's any more painful to deal with than people who have reported undergoing surgery, accidently getting paralyzed but not put to sleep, so they felt the pain of the entire surgery, but couldn't move to signal that whey were awake ?
There are TONS of horrors and wondors that exist in this world. You center your entire idealogy and outlook on One Exorcism, yet if you would look to the other anamolies that exist in this world, you will see that nothing truly stands out. You will also realize that there are TONS of sources of causes for everything that happens.
To give credit to only "God and Satan" for every single event that has ever happened to anyone on this world is a limitted, cheap cop-out way of looking at things. ✅