What has God done for you? (Christians only!)

Originally posted by Regret
I don't think you understood my post, your response doesn't address it properly.

Gist of it:

Environment and history plays a role in response. You can't get away from it. Placing yourself in an environment that effects your history will impact future decision making, perhaps minimally, and maybe insignificantly, but it will have an impact. Given this, you should carefully control the environment that will impact you, so that it impacts you in a desired manner.

I understhand that, but it doesnt adress your absurd stance about music.

...beside the fact that if you listen to bad music you suddenly become a murderer and a rapist.

Music can effect your response, but the decision on how you act is entirely up to you. Some people are not overly affected by poor lyrics, but some are. I try to avoid placing myself in situations where I could be effected negatively.

That doesnt explain why you wouldn't listen to any music, even stuff you liked, if you didnt understand the words.

Its reactionary.

Originally posted by Alliance
That doesnt explain why you wouldn't listen to any music, even stuff you liked, if you didnt understand the words.

Its reactionary.

Because the words will still impact my brains physiology. I am referring to lyrics that are screamed, in a language I understand, not to lyrics in a language I do not understand, that are incomprehensible. Thus, some songs my brain still picks up on the words, and neurons that fire in response to those words fire, perhaps not the ones that lead to comprehension, but a number of those neurons that fire in response to the transduction associated with those words may fire up to some point prior to the comprehension.

I'll listen to any music I "like." I just don't "like" some lyrics.

Originally posted by Regret
Because the words will still impact my brains physiology. I am referring to lyrics that are screamed, in a language I understand, not to lyrics in a language I do not understand, that are incomprehensible. Thus, some songs my brain still picks up on the words, and neurons that fire in response to those words fire, perhaps not the ones that lead to comprehension, but a number of those neurons that fire in response to the transduction associated with those words may fire up to some point prior to the comprehension.

I'll listen to any music I "like." I just don't "like" some lyrics.

However, music is more then lyrics. If someone writes evil lyrics they will convey that evil in the music.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, music is more then lyrics. If someone writes evil lyrics they will convey that evil in the music.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, music is more then lyrics. If someone writes evil lyrics they will convey that evil in the music.

Agreed, but evil doesn't have to be yelled. Lyrics are the overt intent of music.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Sometimes, but not always.

Always. Evil isn't always ugly, and imo, often presents as attractive, and is often near indistinguishable from good.

Often, the arbitrary lines we draw between good and evil dont really matter.

Originally posted by Regret
Always. Evil isn't always ugly, and imo, often presents as attractive, and is often near indistinguishable from good.

and who are you determine what is "wholesome?"

Originally posted by Alliance
and who are you determine what is "wholesome?"

I'd say I am myself, if I were to use the term "wholesome" it would be in reference to my belief that it would not be harmful to me. As far as my posts are concerned they are in reference to myself and the music I would or would not listen to, not to any suggestion as to how someone else "needs" to behave.

Except for your ststement that you dont listen to the music that you dont understand the words/the message of.

Granted, this was later clarified...but it was a horribly misleading way to state your opinon.

I attacked Nell's use of "wholesome." I dont recall you using it.

Originally posted by Alliance
Except for your ststement that you dont listen to the music that you dont understand the words/the message of.

Granted, this was later clarified...but it was a horribly misleading way to state your opinon.

Yes, it was not clear.

Originally posted by Alliance
I attacked Nell's use of "wholesome." I dont recall you using it.

k 🙂

Originally posted by Regret
Yes, it was not clear.

Actually it was more like trying to see through obsidian.

The church tried to ban the flattened-fifth interval in music.

Gospel and Blues bought it back to the fold and I know which feels more joyous and celebratory of life to me... Typical huh...?

And a word on lyrics: Nothing to do with music. The music is the beats, the sequence of notes etc.

Check out Faith No More's "Angel Dust" or some Mr.Bungle if you want to analyse some weird obscure scatolocial lyricry over some insane music. It may make you revise your thinking on how much lyrics actually count next to HOW its being sung.

Interestingly, people who suffer from schizophrenia feel at the mercy of TV and Song messages and feel compelled to obey, not being able to seperate reality from their illness, they have to mind what they watch listen to... Others can just deal.

EG: Listening to Bob Marley for 20 odd years hasnt once made me want to shoot a sheriff.

And if the power of lyrics were so immediately powerful, then shouldnt all religious songs be banned from mainstream airwaves, to prevent mass grooming via radio/tv/whatever...?

Originally posted by champion
I wanted a thread for people to tell what God has done for them. So far I cant think of anything big he has done.

Originally posted by Regret
Personally, I don't believe in listening to music I don't know the words/message of. I don't believe that somewhere in our brain we are not breaking apart the song, even if we do not recognize this occurring. Given this, the words and phrases do elicit some neural response. This response increases the ease of neural response to the stimulus the next time we contact it. This impacts the type of response we will have in the future. I do believe we have freedom of agency, but we place ourselves in an environment and that environment will impact our future decisions, good or ill. Music is a strong stimulus, and has been shown to have strong impacts on our neural physiology, it seems unwise to place oneself in a position to possibly lose some control of our actions to an inappropriate environment, at least in the case where the environment may increase the probability that a behavior I would not want to occur might.

I highly doubt it....

"Pain" by Jimmy Eat world, does not make me suicidal.

"Buttons" by Pussy Cat Dolls doesn't make me any hornier or freakier than I already am.

"Party up" by DMX doesn't make me want to go into a violent senseless rage.

"Crazy in love" by Beyonce does not make me fall in love with anyone.

"Dreams" by the Cranberries does not turn me any gayer....

Yet, I listen to those songs over and over, and the only thing they do is entertain me.

They in no way, shape, or form alter my beleifs or mentality, nor do they shape my identity.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The church

This is a poor choice of terms any more, there are various churches.

[QUOTE=7199589]Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[B]I highly doubt it....

"Pain" by Jimmy Eat world, does not make me suicidal.

"Buttons" by Pussy Cat Dolls doesn't make me any hornier or freakier than I already am.

"Party up" by DMX doesn't make me want to go into a violent senseless rage.

"Crazy in love" by Beyonce does not make me fall in love with anyone.

"Dreams" by the Cranberries does not turn me any gayer....

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Pedanticism. 😛

The leaders of the anglo christian church, then. 🙄

Your lack of response to the rest of the post has been noted though.... I'll leave this psuedo-spritual sausage fest to its natural conclusion...