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This is pretty even. Maul was nearly as strong as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan and this duo is perhaps even with that one so they could probably take out Maul - I'd say Mundi isn't far behind Qui-Gon and Aayla is a fair bit above TPM Obi-Wan (she did, by this time, manage to defeat Aurra Sing in a lightsaber duel, so she's pretty strong). This duo would be stronger than Qui-Gon and TPM Obi-Wan but their teamwork probably isn't quite as good as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's is, so overall this team would probably be equally profecient against Maul as that duo was.
Originally posted by darthsith19
This is pretty even. Maul was nearly as strong as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan and this duo is perhaps even with that one so they could probably take out Maul - I'd say Mundi isn't far behind Qui-Gon and Aayla is a fair bit above TPM Obi-Wan (she did, by this time, manage to defeat Aurra Sing in a lightsaber duel, so she's pretty strong). This duo would be stronger than Qui-Gon and TPM Obi-Wan but their teamwork probably isn't quite as good as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's is, so overall this team would probably be equally profecient against Maul as that duo was.
Actually, I think Maul was superior to them both, even at the same time.
From the way they died in ROTS I find it VERY hard to picture Ki Adi and Aayla defeating Maul. Very hard indeed. Ki-Adi at time of TPM didn't even use a lightsaber and he seemed pretty weak at it in AOTC and ROTS - he'd be totally overpowered.
Aayla would do better - as good as or better than TPM Kenobi. I don't know how strong Aura Sing is [from all the jedi shes killed she must be very tough] but if Aayla beat her then she must be good. And she was totally caught of guard in ROTS and I couldn't see Qui-Gon doing much better.
Maul mauls Ki Adi and defeats Secura with some difficulty
Originally posted by kamikz
Actually, I think Maul was superior to them both, even at the same time.
He was. He was beating the shit out of both of them, and wasn't even tired. The novel confirms that, and so does the movie. He's superior to Qui-Gon in terms of fighting and "weapons training", in other words: skill.
Originally posted by Akira99
From the way they died in ROTS I find it VERY hard to picture Ki Adi and Aayla defeating Maul.
So because they died via a surprise attack, it's "hard to imagine" them beating beating Maul? That's ridiculous. Aayla was gunned down from behind without even a chance to even overcome her clone troops. And Ki-Adi-Mundi, though he did put up a decent fight, ultimately died as well. You can't base a fight off a surprise attack, otherwise people would be saying "l0l Anak1n sh0ewalk3r beat Mac3 Windu".
Very hard indeed. Ki-Adi at time of TPM didn't even use a lightsaber
WTF? Everyone used a lightsaber. We just don't see him activate it, or use it because it was a short movie. In his days past, he carried a lightsaber all the time, and was definitely more martial.
We don't even see Aayla is TPM, can we say she sucks because of that?
Answer: No.
and he seemed pretty weak at it in AOTC and ROTS - he'd be totally overpowered.
He would get overpowered, as Maul is firmly his superior, but what you're saying is pretty ridiculous. He "seemed" pretty weak in AOTC and ROTS, despite barely getting any screen time? Lol. Again, ridiculous.
Maul wins nonetheless.
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
What were Ki-Adi/Aayla's Lightsaber styles? Wern't they like Form 1? If so, then I doubt they would beat Maul, Qui-Gon was on par with Mace apparently, Ki-Adi was more of a General than a Warrior.
Originally posted by kamikz
Actually, I think Maul was superior to them both, even at the same time.
From the way they died in ROTS I find it VERY hard to picture Ki Adi and Aayla defeating Maul. Very hard indeed.
Ki-Adi at time of TPM didn't even use a lightsaber and he seemed pretty weak at it in AOTC and ROTS - he'd be totally overpowered.
Aayla would do better - as good as or better than TPM Kenobi. I don't know how strong Aura Sing is [from all the jedi shes killed she must be very tough] but if Aayla beat her then she must be good. And she was totally caught of guard in ROTS and I couldn't see Qui-Gon doing much better.
Maul mauls Ki Adi and defeats Secura with some difficulty
He was. He was beating the shit out of both of them, and wasn't even tired. The novel confirms that, and so does the movie. He's superior to Qui-Gon in terms of fighting and "weapons training", in other words: skill.
Advent, you think that Maul would win? Why, you don't believe this duo to be superior to TPM Obi-Wan and Aayla? Well, either way I think this battle is close but I still give it to the duo.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Oh I agree than he was superior to either of them alone, just not at the same time, though that was damn close.Advent, you think that Maul would win? Why, you don't believe this duo to be superior to TPM Obi-Wan and Aayla?
What? Superior to TPM Obi-Wan and Aayla? You mean Qui-Gon and Kenobi, yah?
In any case, I'd definitely submit Aayla > Kenobi, however, Qui-Gon > Ki-Adi-Mundi. Now, the gap between Aayla and Kenobi is probably greater than the gap between Qui-Gon and Mundi (in terms of power), but not by much; although the one thing that Jinn and Kenobi had over this duo is teamwork, experience together, and coordination (which is the same thing typed three times). Which counts for a helluva' lot in terms of a tag match.
Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon had worked together for years, and they've done battle several times before. And while Qui-Gon isn't young, and quick - Obi-Wan makes up for that, and while Obi-Wan is inexperienced, Qui-Gon makes up for that. They are a good team. Despite all that, the TPM novels describes their offensive maneuvers as this:
"...their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate."
"So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly I discovered that their best efforts were not good enough to achieve an early resolution."
Clearly, nothing that either of the two could do together could stop Maul. That leads me to believe a duo that isn't as coordinated, and hasn't worked together as much won't be as successful. Which in actuality, isn't successful at all.
Plus, Ki-Adi-Mundi really isn't much of a warrior. In his younger days as a Jedi knight, when he was more martial and active - he got tooled by some thugs, IIRC (In a flashback, I think). As a master, he's just been sitting on his ass. I don't believe he'll present much of a threat to Maul. In addition, Maul was definitely able to hold Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan back, and beat the shit out of them with melee attacks:
"His agility and dexterity allowed him to keep them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blocking their counterattacks, relentlessly searching for an opening in their defense."
Given we know Ki-Adi isn't much of a swordsman, I don't think his defenses will be as well packed as Qui-Gon's. And if he manages to take out Mundi, he'll kill Aayla. I don't think Aayla will be able to penetrate Maul even while working with Mundi due to the fact he's a superior swordsman by far, and she has to worry about her partner.
What? Superior to TPM Obi-Wan and Aayla? You mean Qui-Gon and Kenobi, yah?
In any case, I'd definitely submit Aayla > Kenobi, however, Qui-Gon > Ki-Adi-Mundi. Now, the gap between Aayla and Kenobi is probably greater than the gap between Qui-Gon and Mundi (in terms of power), but not by much; although the one thing that Jinn and Kenobi had over this duo is teamwork, experience together, and coordination (which is the same thing typed three times). Which counts for a helluva' lot in terms of a tag match.
Clearly, nothing that either of the two could do together could stop Maul. That leads me to believe a duo that isn't as coordinated, and hasn't worked together as much won't be as successful. Which in actuality, isn't successful at all.
Plus, Ki-Adi-Mundi really isn't much of a warrior. In his younger days as a Jedi knight, when he was more martial and active - he got tooled by some thugs, IIRC (In a flashback, I think). As a master, he's just been sitting on his ass. I don't believe he'll present much of a threat to Maul. In addition, Maul was definitely able to hold Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan back, and beat the shit out of them with melee attacks:
Given we know Ki-Adi isn't much of a swordsman, I don't think his defenses will be as well packed as Qui-Gon's.
Originally posted by darthsith19
That's true, but Mundi and Secura have worked together before, on Hypori,
One time before, and they virtually got pwned by Grievous, despite having three other friends, including Jedi Master Shaak Ti with them. They didn't seem to fair together too well.
Couldn't stop him quickly, anyway.
Come again? It says they challenged him, and basically just as quick found out they suck against him.
But what if either Mundi or secura attacked Maul on one on and when things started to look bad for the Jedi the other Jedi took over, so they would eventually tire Maul out?
It took 30 seconds exactly to off Qui-Gon Jinn in direct combat, who is better than both of these combatants on a single level. And this was Qui-Gon describes directly by the TPM script as "attacking with a ferocity not seen before", and the novel also supports that Qui-Gon "found a new reserve of strength" while meditating. It's safe to assume Jinn was giving it his all, and more (impossible, but you know what I mean) - he was fighting as hard as he ever had in his life. So, I really don't see Mundi, who is less martial and less skilled than Jinn lasting too long, let alone long enough to even tire out.
Aayla, however, has a chance, but it's highly doubtful she would be able to do anything good before Mundi dies if they alternate out. We know Maul never tires throughout the entire 4 minutes and 30 second plus duel, so I can't see them tiring him out on a singular level while alternating.
I dunno, Mundi has uses the best lightsaber to lightsaber form their is,
But he's not the most formidable user there is. Makashi doesn't make you invincible, this can be seen by the fact that Anakin beat Dooku using Djem So. His lightsaber form really isn't important given the fact he's not close to the level of Maul in terms of saber combat.
Wha-? Mundi uses Makashi, how is he not much of a swordsman?
So what? That doesn't mean he's any good. He got tooled by a few mercenaries in his Jedi Knight days when he was younger, stronger, and far more martial. Prove he uses Makashi, too.
As for his defenses not being as good as Qui-Gon's, Qui-Gon uses ataru, which doesn't really have much or a defense, it's mostly all offense.
Except there's nothing to indicate that Ki-Adi even has a good defense. If Ataru is purely offense, then there'd be no reason for Maul to need to search for an opening in both Jinn and Kenobi's defense.
Anyways, question: Quote, and source for Mundi using Makashi. I've never heard of that before, I've heard Shaak Ti, but not Mundi. Where is this said?
Yeah, I do have to find the source, huh? All I remember is there was this member here last winter who was only here for like a week and he proved that Mundi uses Makashi and I can't remember his sn or wheat his source was. Shall I try and find it? I have no idea where to start looking, there are so many threads!
I doubt he uses Makashi. Look here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JUiVwRUJ-g), his form doesn't look anything like Makashi - wild swings.
By the way Diamond describes it, it was probably Star Wars Republic 58: The Battle of Jabiim, Part 4. He talked about Jabiim, and Obi-Wan was thought dead. That book seems right
One time before, and they virtually got pwned by Grievous, despite having three other friends, including Jedi Master Shaak Ti with them. They didn't seem to fair together too well.
By the time the Jedi got a grip on themselves and really started fighting well it was only Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi left, and they were tired so Grievous won.
Come again? It says they challenged him, and basically just as quick found out they suck against him.
It took 30 seconds exactly to off Qui-Gon Jinn in direct combat, who is better than both of these combatants on a single level. And this was Qui-Gon describes directly by the TPM script as "attacking with a ferocity not seen before", and the novel also supports that Qui-Gon "found a new reserve of strength" while meditating. It's safe to assume Jinn was giving it his all, and more (impossible, but you know what I mean) - he was fighting as hard as he ever had in his life. So, I really don't see Mundi, who is less martial and less skilled than Jinn lasting too long, let alone long enough to even tire out.
Aayla, however, has a chance, but it's highly doubtful she would be able to do anything good before Mundi dies if they alternate out. We know Maul never tires throughout the entire 4 minutes and 30 second plus duel, so I can't see them tiring him out on a singular level while alternating.
But he's not the most formidable user there is. Makashi doesn't make you invincible, this can be seen by the fact that Anakin beat Dooku using Djem So. His lightsaber form really isn't important given the fact he's not close to the level of Maul in terms of saber combat.
So what? That doesn't mean he's any good. He got tooled by a few mercenaries in his Jedi Knight days when he was younger, stronger, and far more martial. Prove he uses Makashi, too.
Except there's nothing to indicate that Ki-Adi even has a good defense. If Ataru is purely offense, then there'd be no reason for Maul to need to search for an opening in both Jinn and Kenobi's defense.
Anyways, question: Quote, and source for Mundi using Makashi. I've never heard of that before, I've heard Shaak Ti, but not Mundi. Where is this said?
Anyway, I think you were talking about Darth Callous DS, he said that Mundi was stated to use form II in the book where Mundi is briefly Anakin's master, does anyone know which book that is?
By the way Diamond describes it, it was probably Star Wars Republic 58: The Battle of Jabiim, Part 4. He talked about Jabiim, and Obi-Wan was thought dead. That book seems right
Edit: No, I don't think it was diamond bullets, I know who he is, it wasn't somebody who hung around in this section for that long, only 1-2 weeks.