ROTS Aayla Secura and ROTS Ki-Adi Mundi vs. TPM Darth Maul

Started by Darth Scythe4 pages

People are giving Maul too much credit. This was the 'badass' who sat and wacthed Obi-Wan jump, flip, pull a lightsaber, land, THEN swing at his midsection before dying. You'd think reaction time would be better for someone trained to fight multiple Jedi at a time.

My verdict? Maul gets butt molested by Aayla and Ki-Adi's saber.

I agree one hundred percent.

When I saw that part of the movie I was like, "wtf"? Obi-Wan ahd like five seconds of hangtime.

I know, right.

I'm no Jedi but if a mofo is going to be under me and flip to the other side, I'm gonna have the instinct to at LEAST sidestep him.

That's like watching someone wind up for a punch and standing there while they hit you in the face.

Are you mocking his reflexes because of that? They had to kill him off someway, and that was apparently one of the ways. You can't say that they guy who dodges a laser repeater rifle without a lightsaber has bad reflexes...

lol@having to 'kill him off someway' being an excuse. It's either bad instincts or stupidity. No matter how you cut it, he STOOD there.

I don't remember the part where he dodged laser fire either.

That was in the Darth Maul comics. And it was an excuse to kill him off, he had to die someway and Obi-Wan had to survive. If he really had that shitty reflexes then how come he toyed both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan at the same time?

Qui-Gon is better than Ki-Adi, Qui-Gon is better than Aayla. He loses against them at the same time though.
Obi is a little worse than both I belive, but as a team Qui-Gon and Obi are far superior to what team Ki-Adi and Aayla would have. Maul TOYED Obi and Qui-Gon as a team.

People are giving Maul too much credit. This was the 'badass' who sat and wacthed Obi-Wan jump, flip, pull a lightsaber, land, THEN swing at his midsection before dying. You'd think reaction time would be better for someone trained to fight multiple Jedi at a time.

Really, I typically thought people underestimated Maul.

Besides, they couldn't make Ewan (or the stunt double) jump any quicker than that. But in the SW universe, Obi used the Force and must have jumped very fast. Fast enough to cut down Maul, who himself has good reflexes.

No doubt Maul would win.
I must say, I would like to know where people are getting the idea that Ki-Adi-Mundi does Makashi. I'm not doubting them. I'm just wondering innocently because I've never seen.

Considereing that Mundi does do Makashi, this would make him an excellent blade-to-blade duelist. Aayla does Ataru. She is more flexible than Qui-Gon and probably in better shape than the 50 or 60 something year old man. Aayla has proven herself in her battle against Aurra Sing, and Mundi has proven himself the best (probably) of the Hypori Jedi who faced General Grievous.

Maul is an powerful fighter also. He managed to hold off Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, seperated them, then defeated them (some may argue that Obi-Wan beat Maul, but if there was no pit, Kenobi would be dead). He also defeated the poweful Black Sun group.

Mundi and Secura would give Maul a tough little fight, but in the end, Maul would overcome them.

Mundi uses either Ataru, Makashi, or Shien. On the previous page Advent and I discussed some of it.

Anyway, Maul wins.

Hmmm I won't go through the trouble of reading. No offense intended, but what else was there apart from Soresou? I mean, Kit Fisto is basically the only Jedi Master who used Form I, and we know he didn't use Niman since all their users who were at Geonosis died. We also know he didn't fight with Juyo because there were VERY few practitioners, and if he had Soresou, he probably would have taken out a few more clones. Sorry, if I offended you with that, but I was just asking.

Hmmm I won't go through the trouble of reading. No offense intended, but what else was there apart from Soresou? I mean, Kit Fisto is basically the only Jedi Master who used Form I, and we know he didn't use Niman since all their users who were at Geonosis died. We also know he didn't fight with Juyo because there were VERY few practitioners, and if he had Soresou, he probably would have taken out a few more clones. Sorry, if I offended you with that, but I was just asking.

Well here are some notables who practice the main forms:

Shii-Cho: Kit Fisto, Cin Drallig (lightsaber instructor), and Yoda
Makashi: Dooku, Sev'rance Tann, Cin Drallig, Tyvokka, Shaak Ti
Soresu: Luminara Unduli, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Bariss Offee, Cin Drallig
Ataru: Yoda, myself, Aayla, Sidious, Tsui Choi, Cin Drallig
Shien: Anakin, Plo Koon, Luke, Cin Drallig, Vrook, Agen Kolar
Niman: Hundreds and hundreds, perhap even thousands
Juyo : Mace, Depa, Sora, Echuu-Shen Jon, Maul

Anyway, if you're asking what Ki-Adi Mundi uses, it's probably either

Shien or Makashi

And how did you offend me?

Vapaad is the ultimate saber form.

Yeah, I guess you could say that.

Sidious also used Juyo, as he showed during his duel with Mace. And about Maul's reflexes being slow, Sidious jumped just as slowly at the Jedi in ROTS and still cut down Agen Kolar just as easily as Obi-Wan cut down Maul and the ROTS novel states that with Yoda and Obi-Wan gone that left "Mace Windu and Agen Kolar, two of the Order's finest swordsman, to deal with Sidious".

In response to that, I have two theories:

1.) In the choreography, they really couldn’t make Sidious’s jump any faster (otherwise it would be to fast for the viewers to see) so they made it like that. In SW universe, the jump must have been really fast, so that Agen Kolar can get stabbed without him responding.

2.) That was just bad choreography. I don’t what George Lucas was thinking, but he made “one of the Order’s finest swordsmen” look like a piece of shit.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
In response to that, I have two theories:

1.) In the choreography, they really couldn’t make Sidious’s jump any faster (otherwise it would be to fast for the viewers to see) so they made it like that. In SW universe, the jump must have been really fast, so that Agen Kolar can get stabbed without him responding.

2.) That was just bad choreography. I don’t what George Lucas was thinking, but he made “one of the Order’s finest swordsmen” look like a piece of shit.


I agree 100%. And those are the same things that happened when Obi-Wan jumped out of the pit and stabbed Maul.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Well here are some notables who practice the main forms:

Shii-Cho: Kit Fisto, Cin Drallig (lightsaber instructor), and Yoda
Makashi: Dooku, Sev'rance Tann, Cin Drallig, Tyvokka, Shaak Ti
Soresu: Luminara Unduli, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Bariss Offee, Cin Drallig
Ataru: Yoda, myself, Aayla, Sidious, Tsui Choi, Cin Drallig
Shien: Anakin, Plo Koon, Luke, Cin Drallig, Vrook, Agen Kolar
Niman: Hundreds and hundreds, perhap even thousands
Juyo : Mace, Depa, Sora, Echuu-Shen Jon, Maul

Anyway, if you're asking what Ki-Adi Mundi uses, it's probably either

Shien or Makashi

And how did you offend me?

Soresu also had thousands of users, didn't it? Anyway, I thought Drallig was a Niman dude shock

Okay 🙂

Didn't mean to, just making sure I didnt

Pretty much everyone learns Shii-Cho as a youngling. Few master it - Kit Fisto and maybe a few others.

Niman was a very popular choice in the Golden Age of the Jedi - the diplomat's form, many people mastered it and many of its users fell at the Battle of Geonosis.

Ataru, Shien/Djem Sa and Soresu were the standard forms - many jedi mastered them.

Makashi and Juyo/Vaapad were the rare forms of the time.

Soresu also had thousands of users, didn't it? Anyway, I thought Drallig was a Niman dude

Well as Lightsaber instructor he has to know several forms. However, he is a Niman dude and is probably responsible for teaching all the dead Jedi at Geonosis Niman.