ROTS Aayla Secura and ROTS Ki-Adi Mundi vs. TPM Darth Maul

isnt the jedi council as of rots. yoda.mace.ki-adi.koon ? ki-adi is 3rd no ? dozent that mean he's better than aylla ? better than qui-gon(who in ep1 wasnt on the council) not only that but ki-adi although i dunno if this is accurate was the first jedi knight on the council.. gl messed up in ep3 when he said it hadnt been done that a jedi knight had been on the council. ki-adi uses makashi and aayla uses a twin style.. most probably ataru. i say ki-adi and aylla do this easily. wasn't aylla his padawan ?? they should be much better. considering obi.qui-gon only knew each other for 5 years.. aylla and ki-adi have more experience together than obi and qui so i think they would uber own maul.

EDIT:MIXED UP WITH SHAAK TI ..:$ WOOPS

from that youtube video, it looks like ki does use a form close to makashi. anyways, id give it to the duo.

Maul. No doubt.

Originally posted by Infinity
isnt the jedi council as of rots. yoda.mace.ki-adi.koon ? ki-adi is 3rd no ? dozent that mean he's better than aylla ?

No. Coleman Trebor was on the Council. His ranking doesn't matter. Does that mean Coleman Trebor > Aayla Secura, too? Or better yet, any Jedi not on the Council? No.

better than qui-gon(who in ep1 wasnt on the council)

What bullshit! Qui-Gon is better than Mundi. There's no proof Mundi is even good. Being on the Council doesn't mean you're better than any non-Council Member. For example, Anakin would beat the shit out of most Jedi Council members. Your point?

The real answer, all I have to say is: Coleman Trebor. That's proof enough being on the Council doesn't mean you're powerful. Plus, get a look at this guy:

Being on Council doesn't mean you're more powerful than folks not on the Council. Try again.

not only that but ki-adi although i dunno if this is accurate was the first jedi knight on the council..

Irrelevant. Who gives a shit?

gl messed up in ep3 when he said it hadnt been done that a jedi knight had been on the council. ki-adi uses makashi and aayla uses a twin style..

1.) Who gives a shit?
2.) Ki-Adi-Mundi doesn't use Makashi. If he does, provide the source and quote for the claim. Don't just say it because it hasn't been proven.
3.) Qui-Gon used Ataru, and got tooled by Darth Maul is 30 seconds exactly. Their forms have nothing to do with this.
4.) I'll be like you: "l0l d4rth maul us3s juy0, a doub1e bl4de style". Your point?

i say ki-adi and aylla do this easily.

And thus you're stating an absolute lie. If they win, it wouldn't be easy in the least bit. One of them would die. But again, that's only if they win. Which they won't. Take a look at the other posts before claiming absolute bullshit.

There's no proof Ki-Adi-Mundi is even a formidable opponent. Qui-Gon > Mundi.

wasn't aylla his padawan ?? they should be much better.

No, you're making shit up. Aayla was trained by Master Tholme. T-H-O-L-M-E. I don't see how you get "Ki-Adi-Mundi" out of that.

considering obi.qui-gon only knew each other for 5 years..

And worked together more than Aayla and Mundi have in their entire lives, because Mundi isn't Aayla's master, and you are operating under a false premise.

aylla and ki-adi have more experience together than obi and qui so i think they would uber own maul.

1.) No, they don't. They only worked together once, and they got owned.
2.) You're making shit up.
3.) Even if they had worked together for 20 years, which they definitely didn't at all, they would not "uber own" Maul.
4.) Maul beats them.
5.) You're making shit up.
6.) No.
7.) You're making shit up.

NOOOOOOOO!

I though Aayla was my apprentice 🙁 😕 😛 😆

BTW, advent is right.

There's no proof Mundi is even good.

Plus, get a look at this guy:

2.) Ki-Adi-Mundi doesn't use Makashi. If he does, provide the source and quote for the claim. Don't just say it because it hasn't been proven.

There's no proof Ki-Adi-Mundi is even a formidable opponent.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Really? Aurra Sing is good and Aayla beat Aurra Sing, which makes Aayla good and Ki-Adi proved himself to be a better fighter than Aayla is. He proved himself to be better than K'Kruhk or Shaak Ti are, too, so, according to you, their not good, huh?

How did he "prove himself" to be good? Because of the fight with Grievous? Because he lasted longer, he's better? So, are the two Jedi Knights Grievous beat the shit out of after a seemingly long fight (Grievous comics) better than Master T'Chooka because Grievous tooled him in about two seconds?

Anyways, Ki-Adi-Mundi - just like Aayla - was incapacitated by a kick from Grievous, and didn't do shit for a solid 20 seconds. At which point, he tried to call his lightsaber, and Grievous stepped on it.

This is ridiculous if you're saying he proved himself to be better by means of "lasting longer".

What does Yarael Poof have to do with anything at all?

He sucks, just like Coleman Trebor. Being on the Council doesn't mean you're powerful, or at least, more powerful than non Council members which was the entire premise for his argument.

It has been, I just havn't found the source yet.

No, it hasn't been proven. I don't really give care if someone made the claim, or not. Find the source material, and quote or don't mention it.

If you cannot produce the proof, then it's simple: we can't say he uses Makashi, because you haven't proved it. And there's not a single source that I can find to say he uses Makashi. So, it's not proven - you cannot use it in this argument, until you provide proof.

See above.

No.

Maul > Padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi & Qui-Gon Jinn

So is Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon > Aayla & Ki-Adi?

Qui-Gon is greater than Ki-Adi. Now is Obi-Wan > Aayla? I would say Aayla might be slightly more powerful.

However Darth Maul defeated Qui-Gon even though Qui-Gon just meditated and got his energy back. And Obi-Wan would have been killed as well if not for the ledge.

The same thing would happen to Aayla and Ki-Adi. Ki-Adi gets killed and Aayla might put a harder fight, but Aayla is slain.

Now about Makashi. In ROTS, when Ki-Adi-Mundi gets killed, you see him blocking the blasts with one hand. This could mean Makashi. And Makashi as we know is prone to blasters. Ironically, this is what could have happened to Mundi. He tried blocking the blasters with one hand (probably using Makashi) and he dies. It's just a thought though.

However, what I said before does provide problems.

Ki-Adi-Mundi was trained by the Dark Woman.

The Dark Woman taught Aurra Sing.

Now, if I remember the Aurra Sing vs. Aayla duel, Aurra was mostly using two hands and fighting. I deduced that she was using Ataru. If that's the case then, the Dark Woman must use Ataru. And thus, Ki-Adi-Mundi uses Ataru.

So Ki-Adi uses either Makashi or Ataru.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
[B]Now about Makashi. In ROTS, when Ki-Adi-Mundi gets killed, you see him blocking the blasts with one hand. This could mean Makashi. And Makashi as we know is prone to blasters. Ironically, this is what could have happened to Mundi. He tried blocking the blasters with one hand (probably using Makashi) and he dies. It's just a thought though.

Actually, if you look before his death, while he's blocking the enemies fire (not the clones) - he uses two hands. And doesn't seem to have the least bit of trouble blocking them. And the fact of the matter is, he just was overwhelmed by the bombardment of blaster fire at close range by the seven Clone troopers. We've seen Mace Windu block blaster fire with one hand (in the arena in AOTC), does he use Makashi as well?

How did he "prove himself" to be good? Because of the fight with Grievous? Because he lasted longer, he's better? So, are the two Jedi Knights Grievous beat the shit out of after a seemingly long fight (Grievous comics) better than Master T'Chooka because Grievous tooled him in about two seconds?

Anyways, Ki-Adi-Mundi - just like Aayla - was incapacitated by a kick from Grievous, and didn't do shit for a solid 20 seconds. At which point, he tried to call his lightsaber, and Grievous stepped on it.

He sucks, just like Coleman Trebor. Being on the Council doesn't mean you're powerful, or at least, more powerful than non Council members which was the entire premise for his argument.

No, it hasn't been proven. I don't really give care if someone made the claim, or not. Find the source material, and quote or don't mention it.

Now, if I remember the Aurra Sing vs. Aayla duel, Aurra was mostly using two hands and fighting. I deduced that she was using Ataru. If that's the case then, the Dark Woman must use Ataru. And thus, Ki-Adi-Mundi uses Ataru.

Nevertheless, I just watched the Clone Wars fight scene between Grievous and the 5 Jedi. During, you see Ki-Adi-Mundi using one hand against the droid General. Plus, he never seemed to be using Ataru since he was using any acrobatic manuevars. In addition, he wasn't using Shii-Cho or Shien.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Plus, he never seemed to be using Ataru since he was using any acrobatic manuevars.

Neither did Qui-Gon, yet he was an Ataru master.

And during his fight with Grievous, he uses two hands constantely with powerful swings, at least, moreso than he does with one. And he's always blocking with two hands.

Hmm. Your point does have value. Perhaps we can agree then that Ki-Adi-Mundi uses Shien. After all, Shien does have one-handed moves.

Originally posted by darthsith19
T'Chooka, is he from Obsession? Didn't Grievous get him from behind or something? Ki-Adi did betetr against grievous than Aayla did - Grievous pwnd Aayla with his foot.

Then he got another saber, fought Grievous (while Grievous was using 3 lightsabers, not just 2) and held off Grievous all by himself until the Clones got there.

How does Poof suck?

Shoudl I find it you'll be the first person I show it to.

Except the apprentice doesn't always use the same form that their master uses. Anakin didn't use the same form as Kenobi, Qui-Gon didn't use the same form as Dooku, Dooku didn't use the same form as Sidious OR Yoda. Just because the master uses Ataru doesn't mean that the student does.

Uh, Ki-Adi got pwned by his foot as well....

How far/close were the clones? They could be on their way during the fight Grievous had with the 5 jedi, meaning it could be a 10 seconds difference....

Meh, I doubt he could fight well with that unstable head. The source book of Epsiode 1 says he was on the council for his incredible mind trick capabilities....

The only reson that jedi are on the council is because thier wise and strong in the force, fighting ability may come into it but as a whole, all the jedi known to be on the council are wise (yoda, mace, obi-wan, ect) most can fight but ive now change my opion after researching my info, maul wins.

I'm pretty sure I read that Mace was only a little better than Qui-Gon.

Ki-Adi did last against Grievous for a long time though in the Cartoon, not sure if that's exactly canon considering the vast exaggerations of power. He has to be pretty damn good, but I doubt he was better than Qui-Gon.

Aayla at the time of ROTS was a Knight(for a few years), had battle experience against Dark Jedi, and had been trained up to Knight level(I think)instead of getting it from fighting a Sith like Obi-Wan, and would likely be better, though she wouldn't go into a rage, which mixed with Maul's Over-confidence and surprise, allowed him to win against Maul.

I say Maul wins this one

Mace and Qui-Gon was near in power in TPM, not ROTS...

We don't know how long that time is....

Originally posted by kamikz
Mace and Qui-Gon was near in power in TPM, not ROTS...

We don't know how long that time is....

14 years, Qui-Gon would be very old

Lol! No, I don't mean the time between ROTS and TPM, I mean the time it took for the clone troopers to arrive to help Ki-Adi Mundi against Grievous...